Hi,
I have a problem with the skill polearm.
I want to know if i take the skill polearm with crushing weapon I should take the skill crushing too or, I can only take polearm for use polearm crush weapon
Thanks
Polearm
| Type: | Melee |
| Realm: | Albion |
| Classes: | Armsman |
Anonymous
The thing to train in if you are in Albion is Slashing/Thrusting You will use bolth a lot in pvp. If your going to Pound some middies you should use Thrusting Pole arm Because the tanks Cant where Plate they can olny where chain and Chain is week to thrusting so you would want to use a thrusting damagin Polearm. And with Hibbys you would want to use Slashing Damage pole arm. I prefer the Bird its Slow but packs a big punch.
The 'trick' as such is simple: the Polearm skill affects your To Hit and upper damage ratio (if you use polearms mainly), and the appropriate "damage skill" - i.e. Slash, Crush, Thrust - raises the lower end of the damage.
So basically you can train ONLY Polearms and use it, but the damage 'range' will be very wide and in the end, you will miss on the big damage. By raising the appropriate "damage" skill, the damage range gets smaller and smaller, thus letting you to dish out big damage per hit.
As for which damage type to use (Slash, Crush, Thrust), then it's a tricky one. From all these damage types, the Crush seems to have less penalties, i.e. when you use that damage, you will get less negative damage penalties. Not so many love to be crushed :) Though, the small drawback is that you will get a bit less damage bonuses as well, when comparing to, say, Slash damage. All in all they are balanced, though from the 3 damage type the Thrust has tad more penalties (i.e. more mobs are resistant to it).
So basically you can train ONLY Polearms and use it, but the damage 'range' will be very wide and in the end, you will miss on the big damage. By raising the appropriate "damage" skill, the damage range gets smaller and smaller, thus letting you to dish out big damage per hit.
As for which damage type to use (Slash, Crush, Thrust), then it's a tricky one. From all these damage types, the Crush seems to have less penalties, i.e. when you use that damage, you will get less negative damage penalties. Not so many love to be crushed :) Though, the small drawback is that you will get a bit less damage bonuses as well, when comparing to, say, Slash damage. All in all they are balanced, though from the 3 damage type the Thrust has tad more penalties (i.e. more mobs are resistant to it).
Anonymous
Ok, here's the scoop on our weapons, skills....
There are 2 types of Armsman. The defensive and offensive.
1. Defensive - 1handed Weapon and shield (Less Damage, great defense) Pick a weapon type and stick with it. Keep this maxed for your level or close to it. Shield should be atleast 70% of your level. Also think about keeping your parry at 50% or more. Friend of mine took this route and at level 17 he solo's oranges. He blocks a ton of hits.
2. Offensive - Polearm (More Damage, less defense) Again, pick a weapon type as early as possible. If I was to start over, I would go with a crushing type. Until level 10 or maybe as high as 15, stick with a one handed weapon and a shield. Dont put any points into your shield ability. The polearm is very weak for us early on, and you'll do much better with the shield and sword/hammer/etc... Just keep putting skill into the polearm until you're ready to use it. Also remember to save some points for parry. At level 20 I have 20pole arm, 17slash, and about 10parry. I dont bother with putting points into my crossbow, since I only use it for pulling.
Now why do I wish I used a Crushing Polearm? The Halberd is a slashing type weapon, yet its the only polearm type that will use any of your weapon types, like crushing. So, with crushing you can carry your crushing polearm, and have your halberd in your pack for when you come across those mobs that are more vulnerable to slashing. Basically, you end up with 2 weapon types while only spending points in one.
Note: Armsman were given 2handed weapons, but only because we are suppose to be able to use just about all weapon types. This weapon type is best suited for paladins and not a good choice for Armsman. It will do less damage than polearm, and not offer the defense like a shield and 1hander.
Aeros
21 Armsman
Morgan Le Fay
There are 2 types of Armsman. The defensive and offensive.
1. Defensive - 1handed Weapon and shield (Less Damage, great defense) Pick a weapon type and stick with it. Keep this maxed for your level or close to it. Shield should be atleast 70% of your level. Also think about keeping your parry at 50% or more. Friend of mine took this route and at level 17 he solo's oranges. He blocks a ton of hits.
2. Offensive - Polearm (More Damage, less defense) Again, pick a weapon type as early as possible. If I was to start over, I would go with a crushing type. Until level 10 or maybe as high as 15, stick with a one handed weapon and a shield. Dont put any points into your shield ability. The polearm is very weak for us early on, and you'll do much better with the shield and sword/hammer/etc... Just keep putting skill into the polearm until you're ready to use it. Also remember to save some points for parry. At level 20 I have 20pole arm, 17slash, and about 10parry. I dont bother with putting points into my crossbow, since I only use it for pulling.
Now why do I wish I used a Crushing Polearm? The Halberd is a slashing type weapon, yet its the only polearm type that will use any of your weapon types, like crushing. So, with crushing you can carry your crushing polearm, and have your halberd in your pack for when you come across those mobs that are more vulnerable to slashing. Basically, you end up with 2 weapon types while only spending points in one.
Note: Armsman were given 2handed weapons, but only because we are suppose to be able to use just about all weapon types. This weapon type is best suited for paladins and not a good choice for Armsman. It will do less damage than polearm, and not offer the defense like a shield and 1hander.
Aeros
21 Armsman
Morgan Le Fay
Anonymous
I have been told the haldberd works like this.
It is a polearm weapon.
It causes slashing damage
It uses the piercing skill.
The halbered is a highdamage weapon but i prefer the lochaber axe.
The axe is a faster which is very important for group battle. When the mob gets on my caster and i have to wait ~6 seconds to enrage the it... the caster may be dead by then.
but it is interesting that the halbered works like it does.
You could train in piercing heavily and use the pike which is not a bad idea as the initiate weapon is pike and the pike is the fastest polearm. Then you could switch between using the pike and the halberd for different situations without losing any skill.
I like the crushing weapons as well but i have suspicion that piecing would be the most flexible way to go.
It is a polearm weapon.
It causes slashing damage
It uses the piercing skill.
The halbered is a highdamage weapon but i prefer the lochaber axe.
The axe is a faster which is very important for group battle. When the mob gets on my caster and i have to wait ~6 seconds to enrage the it... the caster may be dead by then.
but it is interesting that the halbered works like it does.
You could train in piercing heavily and use the pike which is not a bad idea as the initiate weapon is pike and the pike is the fastest polearm. Then you could switch between using the pike and the halberd for different situations without losing any skill.
I like the crushing weapons as well but i have suspicion that piecing would be the most flexible way to go.
Anonymous
Good post. I have a couple of questions:
1. Does the halberd not use ANY secondary damage type (like pierce/crush/slash) or does it use your highest?
2. How did you come to the conclusion that you don't need to put points into slashing to get full benefit of the halberd? Beta boards? I've never heard of this before.
3. Why not use piercing as a secondary instead of crushing? I believe chain armor (very common across all realms) is weak to piercing damage. Wouldn't that be a great asset in RvR combat?
Thanks,
PriZm
1. Does the halberd not use ANY secondary damage type (like pierce/crush/slash) or does it use your highest?
2. How did you come to the conclusion that you don't need to put points into slashing to get full benefit of the halberd? Beta boards? I've never heard of this before.
3. Why not use piercing as a secondary instead of crushing? I believe chain armor (very common across all realms) is weak to piercing damage. Wouldn't that be a great asset in RvR combat?
Thanks,
PriZm
15 posts
1. The halberd does slashing damage, but uses your highest polearm skill. The poster who claimed it used thrusting was in error.
2. It's true that you don't need to put points into slashing to utilize a halberd, you just need to put points into ANY secondary skill, see my answer to 1. This info came from the Armsman team leader, the one who was in charge of testing the Armsman class in Beta. Check his post at http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=16416960&replies=10
3. Chain armor is weak against piercing, correct. But leather is VERY strong against it, while no armor is strong against crushing, and crushing supposedly gets a bonus against studded/reinforced leather.
2. It's true that you don't need to put points into slashing to utilize a halberd, you just need to put points into ANY secondary skill, see my answer to 1. This info came from the Armsman team leader, the one who was in charge of testing the Armsman class in Beta. Check his post at http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=16416960&replies=10
3. Chain armor is weak against piercing, correct. But leather is VERY strong against it, while no armor is strong against crushing, and crushing supposedly gets a bonus against studded/reinforced leather.
Anonymous
THANK YOU very much for the reply! =)
PriZm
PriZm
Anonymous
I did get this skill, and its pretty nice, but its totally useless in a group. You hafta be the next person to hit the mob after you parry, and with the slow attack speed of polearms it almost never happens.
Anonymous
Is the executioner skill at skill lvl8 still in effect? I am at skill lvl 14 in polearm yet i never received the executioner skill - i was wondering if somehow something messed up or if this skill is only in use on the test server-if anyone else did not receive this skill please post
Anonymous
I was wondering that myself. I'm currently 11th level with my Polearm maxed at 11 but I did not get Executioner at 8th either. I figured it originaly did not show up because we don't get Parry until 10th which is needed to make the skill work. However despite having both Polearm and Parry maxed I still have not seen this style.
Anonymous
Does training in 2-Handed Weapons increase your skill with polearms? Can 2-Handed Weapon styles be used with a polearm?
Anonymous
No. 2-Handed weapon skills are used with 2-Handed non-polearm weapons like 2-Handed swords and great axes.
Anonymous
i was told to max your pole arm skill, and get slashing as high as possible by lvl 10...i can kill blues in 2 to 3 swings. Im now lvl 12 and polearm is maxed, and slashing is at lvl 9...it just keeps getting better and better. I must admit, i to was disapointed at the begining with my polearm, but stick with it, youll love it!
lvl 12 armsman
Gaul
Anonymous
I'd be interested in hearing from the person who posted this, again. I'm personally at level 20, and I followed the same strategy you're describing. I have begun to use my one-handed weapons a lot more, however, because I'm doing the same amount of damage in the same amount of time... I'm just hitting the mob a lot more. If you stop to think about it, using a lower damage faster swinging weapon may actually do more damage in the long run.
When your attack is blocked, parried, evaded, or just misses in general, it isn't as terrible a loss with a faster one-handed weapon as it is with those slow swinging polearms.
I'll probably keep my polearm skill up, since I've already invested so much into it at this point, but I have a feeling I'm going to be disappointed if the difference in damage output doesn't become quite a bit more dramatic.
One-hand weapons use less Endurance, have less penalty when they don't connect, and do the exact same amount of damage.
When your attack is blocked, parried, evaded, or just misses in general, it isn't as terrible a loss with a faster one-handed weapon as it is with those slow swinging polearms.
I'll probably keep my polearm skill up, since I've already invested so much into it at this point, but I have a feeling I'm going to be disappointed if the difference in damage output doesn't become quite a bit more dramatic.
One-hand weapons use less Endurance, have less penalty when they don't connect, and do the exact same amount of damage.
Anonymous
true you may hit more but in RvR you will probably get only one swing off B4 you die and with an pole weapon you can deal massive dmg in that time.
Anonymous
My understanding of your question and the subsequent answer about training slashing w/ polearm is this (correct me if I am wrong here) but training polearm will increase your maximum weapon damage thay you will deal while training slashing will increase your minimum for a slashing polearm for this reason I am keeping both high, and a second point to add to this is weapon. If you are reading damage delay to determine weapon damage you are messing up. There are obviously other factors which are considered. If you look on your Char Stats page there is a wep damage box, at level 13 if I equip an iron halberd my Wep Damage is 400 if I equip a steel halberd my Wep Damage is 500 and I do a significantly larger amount of damage to a Mob. Also if you think that polearm is not a high damage weapon I can kill a blue mob in 2 swings with a polearm if I hit for full damage, to me that seems like a heck of a lot of damage.
Anonymous
If you are using the polearm of the initiate, it sucks bad. At lvl 6(last night) I bought an iron halberd and it does way more damage than the initiate polearm. I bought this from a player too, not sure that matters.
Anonymous
Yes, you need to put points into a specialty for use with pole arms.
While polearm skill gives you a max damage amount and polearm skill abilities, your specialty (ie, slash, crush, etc) is a modifier that helps with getting better damage in relation to the maximum. In other words, the higher your slash skill, the more likely you will do max damage with your slashing polearm.
While polearm skill gives you a max damage amount and polearm skill abilities, your specialty (ie, slash, crush, etc) is a modifier that helps with getting better damage in relation to the maximum. In other words, the higher your slash skill, the more likely you will do max damage with your slashing polearm.
Anonymous
There are four different types of Polearms. Slashing, Crushing, Thrusting and one other(can't remember). Do you need to train in the type of Polearm you are going to use? Example, Lochaber Axe(slashing) Polearm, do you also need to put points into slashing as well as the Polearm skill? I am wondering because so far, the Polearm does no more damage than the regular Slashing ability(ex. Bronze ******* Sword). This skill is supposed to be the single most damaging weapon type in game but so far I haven't seen it.
Gairloch
Obstruction of Justice
Level 7 Armsman
Gairloch
Obstruction of Justice
Level 7 Armsman
Anonymous
I wouldn't start using a polearm till i'mm atleast at a higher lvl. There isn't that much of a difference in damg at low lvls but at higher levels you oculd see a difference. i would put points into poleamrs and probably use it at lvl 15.
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