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Engage + Shield
# Jun 25 2003 at 11:37 AM Rating: Default
First off, about Shield. The amount of points you put in definately determines how much you block, along with the type of shield and your dexterity. I am a level 40 Paladin with 33 shield. I have had the same shield since level 32, when I had only 24 points into shield, and I have noticed a very big difference in the amount of times I block. Using a buff bot I have also noticed that with higher dexterity I block a **** of a lot more often. Now about engage, someone said it's not useful when you're solo? YEAH RIGHT! It had saved my **** so many times. I get low on hitpoint, I put up engage, then I twist heal chant with endurance chant (since engage drains endurance constantly) and the mob gets blocked while I sit there and get healed, then when I'm ready I start attacking again. I suggest poping up the engage when you're at about half health, since there is a delay and you get hit 2 or 3 times before the ability takes effect (because the mob has been hit recently). Now I have a question for some other people. If you have any +'s to your shield skill, from say spellcrafting or realm rank, passed 50, does it help you block more? For instance, is 50+11 shield any better then 42+8, or does it stop at 50 for the blocking whether its base or total skill?
how exacly do you use engage
# Jun 11 2003 at 12:14 PM Rating: Default
i was wondering how exactly do you use the engage ability becuase i have had it for a while but never could figure out what id does or how to use it
Shield Con
# Jun 06 2003 at 3:46 PM Rating: Default
Does how a shield con's to its user have any effect on block rates? since unlike weapons there is no effective damage rating for shields.
RVR
# May 18 2003 at 3:17 PM Rating: Default
This is to the person who says. I have never seen anybody spec'd in such away as to have 42+ shield an 2handed.

Apparently you have never rolled a Mid Warrior. In Midgard a warrior can spec in 50 sword, 50 shield an use the styles he gets from sword with a 2handed weapon, an on top of that he can spec parry if I'm not mistaken to 24, maybe higher, an still have points left over for thrown weapons. Now. whose lying an whose not in the know ;)
Distraction Ability for Infiltrators...
# Oct 22 2002 at 6:07 PM Rating: Default
Hello all! I cannot find any reference (so far) to the distraction ability I have acquired. How do I use this ability?

Aronnon Ediric
14th Seasoned Infiltrator
Guinevere
RE: Distraction Ability for Infiltrators...
# Aug 28 2004 at 4:09 AM Rating: Decent
I'll give you a clue - it's NOT under Shield... What skill gives you that ability? Have you tried looking under Stealth maybe??

*sigh* Another Alb with no clue - and they wonder why the Mids keep kicking them one-on-one. ;)
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Guard I, II, III at what level of training?
# Sep 09 2002 at 9:32 AM Rating: Default
I have been looking for almost a week now...

At what level of training do you get get

Guard I

Guard II

Guard III

If anyone KNOWS please post. I would like to spend a few points on my armsman to get the guard abilities as an added option. (And I don't care if it's a waste of specialization points... I just want to know the levels.)
RE: Guard I, II, III at what level of training?
# Sep 09 2002 at 11:22 AM Rating: Default
IIRC:

Guard I: 5
Engage: 8
Guard II: 10
Guard III: 15
The more you put the better
# Aug 08 2002 at 12:16 PM Rating: Default
Blocking is base on shield skill, when you hold a shield (any class that can) you will have a base of 5% chance to block (against yellow con mob), then each skill point you put in will add 0.5% chance to block.

Thats mean even you max out your shield at lv 10 you will have only 10% chance to block so you can say oh i doesn't block that much with my shield skill maxed. But it is not how close the skill from max level its how many points that really count

Once you get to lv 30 shield you will have a chance to block about 20% against yellow

finally if you have 50 shield you will get 30% chance to block from yellow.

It work different from weapon skill which determine the damage by how much closer you are to the max skill. Only those who really invest points in shield will see the different at the later stage.

Shield styles can be really useful, I can charge an agro mob stun it and do position base combat style, yes the mob will continue to face you even when they are stunned but they didn't actually rotate yet so you can still do the style successfully. Even more shield is consider to be a crush damage so if you are holding a slash weapon you can still use shield for additional type of damage. Beside the new patch said we will block more often in RvR :)
about blacking...
# Jul 30 2002 at 6:25 PM Rating: Default
i have 16 points in parry and lvl 39 shield and lvl 42 slash, im a 42 armsman, and i can solo oranges too easilly, but against reds and such i block a lot more often but still lose, basicaly what im wondering is, why do i block a much higher percent against reds and purples than against yellows? ill block like a quarter or even a half of the attacks from the trees yet against pygmy goblins i only do a quarter at best.. any ideas?
RE: about blacking...
# Jul 31 2002 at 1:45 PM Rating: Default
Blocking and Parry are apparently based, in part, on a comparison of dexterity between the attacker and defender. Goblins are likely a fair bit more dextrous than trees, which means that you will block less against them, even if their con is lower.
Effectiveness of shield styles in RvR
# Jun 25 2002 at 3:20 AM Rating: Default
I'm a level 50 shield hero from Hibernia, and my base shield spec is 42, 52 with bonuses. Make no mistake that the level 42 shield slam stuns for a complete 9 seconds against enemy players in RvR, that is if the player hasn't been stunned prior to the attack, in which case you would get a diminishing return on the stun duration. The style uses a considerable amount of endurance, but at the same time, the non-styled attacks in conjunction with slam style during that 9seconds makes up for the end you would use if the player had not been stunned. The best part is, if you block/parry just before you stun a player for 9seconds, you can do a block/parry style 2-3 times in a row before the player regains movement, in which case, the endurance consumeing shield style actually saved you endurance by allowing you to use opening based styles, as opposed to anytime styles which use even more endurance.
Shield Damage
# May 12 2002 at 12:57 PM Rating: Default
What determines the damage you do with shield skills? Is it purely the shield, purely the skill, or both?

Brindus Belriffer
39 Paladin
Percival
RvR
# Mar 22 2002 at 8:08 PM Rating: Default
As far as i know all of youse guys who are sayin that shield stun sucks.. just get the SLvL(23) Hit-From-Back shield stun and use that in RvR and tell me how bad shield styles suck.. They are one of the best things ever created, the lvl 42 one (use anytime long duration stun) will be great when i get it(im 33) just to tell you how great it is, i was on my zerker(44) and we were doing 1v1 duels in hadrians and i dueled a 42+ (was yellow to 44) paly, he shield stunned me with the 42 stun then pulled out a 2h swrd and killed me, i hit him ONCE before i died ONE time.. now pelase tell me how suck that is..


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RE: RvR
# Feb 07 2003 at 6:10 AM Rating: Default
17 posts
I have never seen anyone spec'd in such a way as to have both 42 shield, and 2-handed highenough to do any real damage. Every large weapon user I've ever met went parry as a secondary.
So, either your full of it, or you met a guy that basicly spec'd to fight someone just like you.
I don't know you, so I'll give you the benifit of the doubt an assume your a liar. (insead of an idiot)
SHIELDS
# Mar 20 2002 at 1:34 PM Rating: Default
LOL,
I think the stun durations are:
Short: nonexistent
Medium: barely nonexistent
Long: .2 seconds
Any comments???
RE: SHIELDS
# Apr 24 2002 at 9:27 AM Rating: Decent
6 posts
The stun times are something like 2, 5, and 9 seconds. 2 seconds doesn't sound like much, but it's enough in RvR for tanks to close, casters to target, and that extra time will keep the target in range long enough for the archers to pick him off. If an assassin gets stunned like this, he'll probably die, especially if another stealther does it before he gets his backstab off. Don't forget, though, that the next hit breaks the stun. So if you're in melee, and you stun and then hit immediately, it will look like you didn't stun at all. This is probably why newbies think the stun time is so short.
RE: SHIELDS
# Apr 02 2002 at 5:23 PM Rating: Default
Slam lasts up to 9 seconds in rvr.
RE: SHIELDS
# Mar 25 2002 at 9:32 PM Rating: Default
Well, what do you expect?

If Long Duration Stun would incapacitate for, say 5 seconds, then you could stun and stun and stun until you run out of Endurance.
RE: SHIELDS
# Mar 23 2002 at 4:22 PM Rating: Default
with Disable i can hit with my melee weapon before the stun wears off, and the shield has a considerably worse delay than my weap.
short seems to be about 2/3 of this, which means its still worth it because im hitting him with my shield(which does more damage than my faster weapon), and he is stunned, and thus not swinging at me or moving, until it wears off, basically its like you switched off to a bigger slower weapon for one hit, and got a free miss out of your opponent.
if yer really wondering on the durations, try stunning a mob, and backing off right after it hits. i had a problem once t a low level cuz i hit one with my shield(using Stun) when i was trying to pull him elsewhere and he stayed for several seconds(and as a result i ended up having to kill two mobs instead of one).
Blocking in RvR
# Mar 15 2002 at 4:01 PM Rating: Default
Does long duration stun work effectively (i.e. more than 5 sec) in RvR? I know it works with monsters, wanted to know if anyone had any info on RvR.
Guard/shield/parry
# Mar 03 2002 at 8:24 PM Rating: Default
I was just wondering about a couple of things concerning my lvl 37 paladin...
First of all: How high lvl can the guard ability be raised to, currently i am specced 19 in shield (21 with bonuses) and my guard is level 3.
Secondly: Does the parry ability offer any posibility of blocking for a group mate (like guard) or will u be able to parry instead of block in a guard - or is the parry spec line a self defense specline only ??

Bracy Athelstone
Level 37 Paladin
Percival, Albion, House of Honor
RE: Guard/shield/parry
# Mar 14 2002 at 9:47 PM Rating: Default
Parry is selfdefense only, I think. Because u only get guard when using a shield, no matter how high ur parry.
RE: Guard/shield/parry
# Jun 20 2002 at 12:41 AM Rating: Default
parry is definatelty self only, but not to be overlooked, a shield parry combo will leave you blocking 60% of all incoming attacks
No Shield Spec
# Feb 13 2002 at 1:27 PM Rating: Decent
Scholar
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62 posts
I'm playing a skald and can use a shiled, but not train in it. I have a few questions about it, though

1) Does the quality of the shield mean anything if you don't spec in it?
2)Do you block more often with a better shield, or is the %chance to block based only on level?
3)Is there any reason to buy a better shield if you just have the basic skill?

Thanks
RE: No Shield Spec
# Mar 23 2002 at 4:29 PM Rating: Default
shield skill doesnt affect your chance to block, it only affects your various shield skills(like engage), and your damage output and styles with your shield(just like putting points into weapons, except you can only hit with your shield using a style).
the better shield you buy, the better your blocking will be, its just like any other equipment, except that there is no way to tell it's stats(lame if you ask me, you can get it's delay if you play something that can cast and wear a shield if you block and then try to cast, but other than that yer stuck).

I'm laying this on the table right now, shield spec does not affect your chance to block. people can disagree with this all they want, but my armsman who is maxxed in shield and slash blocks the same as my paladin who is maxxed in chant and slash.
RE: No Shield Spec
# Apr 18 2002 at 5:49 AM Rating: Default
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RE: No Shield Spec
# Apr 03 2002 at 7:59 PM Rating: Default
So what it says at the top of the page:
"Training in this skill affects your likelyhood to block, and increases the amount of damage that you can do with the shield styles." is wrong? Has anyone notified Allakhazam about it so he/she/they can change it?


RE: No Shield Spec
# Jun 20 2002 at 12:44 AM Rating: Default
LOL, the page isnt wrong, you are:) shield skill DOES increase block chance, as well as shield skill damage,if you dont spec in shield, you should still try to find one that is the largest, because large shields have better block rates, and can block 3 mobs at once, enchanting your shield isnt a bad idea btw
As Usual
# Feb 09 2002 at 4:51 AM Rating: Decent
11 posts
I guess nobody really knows if specalizing helps u block more frequently, or if it is level based. Why doesn't a patch straigten this SH*T out?
guard I
# Feb 06 2002 at 2:32 AM Rating: Default
If you are guarding someone, will you only block attacks aimed at them (at your own expense) or will you continue to block attacks aimed at you AS WELL AS attacks aimed at the other person?
RE: guard I
# Feb 06 2002 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
5 posts
You continue to block for yourself with the added benefit of blocking for them as well. This is a very useful skill I have found. If you have two players both with this skill, have them block for each other and stand close. You'll pound your shield in joy as you see the "you have blocked for..." messages and know that you are getting blocks from your associate. I personally like to stand at a 90deg. angle to my associate fighter which enables me to get glowing blades in each time the target turns to face my associate.
Shield abilities may suck, but shields own.
# Feb 03 2002 at 3:43 AM Rating: Default
I have a hero with 12 parry and 13 shield (i am level 15) and i block or parry all the time. especially when fighting something my level or lower. Now, my wrap and stun and other shield abilities suck and i never use them,but thats not why i trained it. I defend so much with it. And it helps when i am in groups and i am pulling aggros to me from the healers, its nice to block and parry half the time when you have 3 mobs on you:D
Stuns could be useful but are too INEFFICENT
# Feb 02 2002 at 3:12 PM Rating: Default
Yea shield skills might even be useful and worth it if they didnt cost so much fatigue. The large fatigue cost per shield skill makes using the skills unefficient, best to use fatigue on taunt and high bonus to hit skills like amethyst slash. Too bad really cause the shield skills really do add alot to combat realness. BTW there is a stun slash skill that is chained off of reposte called befuddle, much better way to go since between the 2 you will get much more dmg and they dont cost nearly as much as most shield skills, stun seems to last about one full round. (reposte is lvl 18, befuddle I think is 29). I would say that specing in shield adds to % to block, have 32 shield skill on my 41 armsman and I block ALOT, average is definately more then 2 or 3 times per decent length fight, especially if you count in guard blocks. Think that the % block is based on 5% + .5%*skill lvl + shield bonus, thus a shield with 25% bonus and a shield skill of 32 will have a 46% chance of block against a yellow (the same lvl as you, there are weaker and stronger yellow cons), then adjusted by con, higher % for blue and less % for orange, red, purple. After paying close attention to blocks while soloing I have found that it holds pretty close (on average) to that percentage .
Bonus on shields
# Mar 17 2002 at 1:59 PM Rating: Default
As quite a defensive paladin Im concerned how bonus on a shield works.
Say you own a large shield with a 30% bonus on it, you may have your shield capability maxed out to level 50 and let us only see the shield part of the whole defense (that is roles in evade, parry, shield).
This will result in 50 * 0.5 = 25% blocks plus 5% basis percent equals 30% of all the attacks you block.
Now to the bonus: does this 30% bonus on the shield mean that you will block
<30%> + <30%> * 30% = <39%>
where the <> indicate the total possibiltiy to block?
RE: Bonus on shields
# Jun 20 2002 at 12:49 AM Rating: Default
Great question, im not sure exactly what the formula is for the enchantment, but not many do, all i know is that if put on armor it makes you harder to hit, so it seems reasonable to guess that it affects your block in someway but i HIGHLY doubt that a 30% bonus means a 30% bonus to block.
RE: Stuns could be useful but are too INEFFICENT
# Feb 02 2002 at 3:18 PM Rating: Default
Looks like I had it wrong,
befuddle is lvl 34, amethyst is 29.
shields
# Jan 28 2002 at 2:13 AM Rating: Default
I have level 20 armsmen with no shield points yet
and i get 2 or 3 blocks a fight.same as always.
I have 20 parry and get 2 or 3 a fight.
so I think shields block per level,not specialty points.

Rex
RE: shields
# Mar 19 2002 at 3:31 PM Rating: Default
Your chance to block is based on a couple of things for sure includng your level vs your attacker, shield skill, shield bonus, and dexterity. There are probably more but we will never know for sure. I see guys all of the time saying "I never put more points in and I block just as well as ever." Well of course they do. If they had chosen to put more points in they would be blocking better than ever.
guard
# Jan 28 2002 at 1:26 AM Rating: Default
what lvl do u get guard upgraded to 2, 3, and 4?
or is it from spec lvl?
Shield-Parry Combo
# Jan 15 2002 at 12:35 PM Rating: Default
6 posts
I've noticed that Parrying also gives you options to protect other party members, and both shield and parry guards may be used at the same time, even on different party members. I did this last night with my 14 Armsman, and it was amazing. If I was properly positioned my party took almost no damage, even for multiple pulls. I was planning to move away from shield and sword to poleaxe, but I was so impressed with the defensive advantage that I think I will stick to sword and shield, and continue to invest points in shield and parry.
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