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Food for thought
# Aug 23 2004 at 10:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Started playing scouts during the beta-test, they were "gimped" no question of it, started off doing extremely high damage then someone whinged and it got heavily nerfed; scouts were then 10x harder to kill anything with.

Current scout is level 14, his longbow skill is 14 and I will be keeping it specced so it is equal to my level permanently. I'm wearing a set of placyercrafted leather armour which I spellcrafted myself on another char, basically has a bunch of dex, quick, longbow, and thrust boosts on it and has been enchanted. So in total my longbow skill is 14+3.

Now, the last time I played a scout I had thrust as my secondary skill and was really ticked off that I did absolutely squat damage in melee - not even *plausible* damage, let alone decent. Seemed speccing the skill was a waste entirely at that point, but that was quite a long time ago now. My speccing this time around was heavily influenced by that although I've since seen the game has changed significantly.

So this time around, I haven't specced thrust at all since level 1, it's still 1+1 and will remain that way till I hit 20; at that point I will be respeccing from shield into thrust and thats solely because it'd be nice to do a little more melee damage for the rare occasions when I need to. I'd like to kill things in close-quarter combat a little faster. My shield is specced to around 8 and I believe stealth is somewhere around there too, I did initially spec shield as my secondary and no stealth because I wanted to avoid damage in melee as much as possible - it's worked nicely, I don't take a beating, but the trade off is when I have to resort to fighting with my gladius its slow, I still have the advantage and do more damage, but its annoyingly slow.

With my current spec and gear I kill yellows in no more than three shots, the first being a critical, more often than not I kill in two. Blues are 1-2 shots, greens are always 1 shot, oranges around 3 shots, sometimes 4. In each and every case the mob is *always* dead before it gets near melee range, I outright kill with the bow.

When I reach level 20 I'll be respeccing the points in shield and I'll be making my secondary skill stealth, tertiary thrust, and finally using the remainder in shield; but I certainly have no complaints about damage as far as PvE is concerned, and the character isn't gimped in any respect of the word because hes out soloing constantly and outdoing quite a number of players you'd assume to be more damaging classes. On a sidenote, the downtime is beautifully short, I can't wait to get my next level as I then get tireless which decreases it even more, chaining yellows solidly for 10-15mins before having to rest for around 15 seconds is definitely my idea o good experience gain. :)
spec for longbow
# Aug 10 2003 at 5:25 AM Rating: Excellent
3 posts
2 reasons for spec'ing longbow,
its the base dam modifier for all bow shots, basically you get 20pts of dam for every lvl you spec, all the way to 50(spec)11(bonus)4(realm) to max you bow damage, with proper bow, mind you to somwhere around a max critshot at lvl 50 of 1300pts. tho you will almost never see that much, you can test you maximum possible dam by shooting a grey with critshot, and figure your normal bow damage to equal 1/2 that. and since thats our primary weapon, keep it at maximum.
second reason is the critshot itself, as you lvl you will see crit shotIII, critshotIX etc etc, if you dont spec it to maximum, you will not hae the highest critshot multiplier and be doind considerably less dam on crit pulls than you could, which will mean hard time gettin kills in RvR, and hard time soloing anything atall, normally, on most yellows, my critshot is 1/2 thier damage, then 2 or 3 more shots to kill thembon way in, they never touch me.

now for that rant somone has up,
I have personally(with dam bonuses) 1 shto many casters, never anyone except cloth wearers, pop a shot on em, that drops blade turn, back off, restealth, sneak in and see if he put it back up, if he didnt, well, gnight caster, i can easily one shot a yellow con player cloth wearer for 750 dam, now how many low con casters you know have more hp than that?

true point, scouts melee is lame, look at styles closely, nearly nothing with high dam bonus, and most use alot of end, but, I DONT MELEE, crit pul and 3 shots kill just bout anything i care to try, melee is for finishing off the ones i missed a shot on, and if you are smart, when you miss crit pull, just run, easier to sit 30 sec for end, than 4 min for hp.

as far as greater range, well, i get 4 shots on a normal pull, and i can hit a caster outside his nuke me range, but he normally closes enough to nuke me, so i use rapid fire and interrupt him every time. speed can be lowered with realm points, mastery of archery decreases bow speed for each lvl of its spec, you can get a max lvl heavy longbow to shoot in 2 sec with no extra bonuses(depending on quick bonuses and realm increase) which means on rapid fire, you shoot as fast as you pull arrows, which is 9 shots on a normal pull. and when you duel that ranger, or hunter, thier bows are less range and less dam, switch to rapid fire and start shooting, if you let him get those shots in on you, you are going to get interrrupted and die
Answer to your RvR questions
# Aug 10 2003 at 5:04 AM Rating: Excellent
3 posts
This be a bit long, but should answer your rvr questions.

First off, scouts are viable in RvR, i have a blast, and i do get quite a few kills, both grouped and solo. simply learn you character and use his/her advantages against your enemy.

scout setup, well, for RvR you need to "gimp" yourself a little for exping, keep longbow at maximum(equal to lvl) stealth with bonuses to equal lvl and rest in thrust with minimum for shiled, if you want to, i didnt. after lvl 35 bg, stop stealth, and lvl your thrust up so you can get to 50 faster, get thrust to 34 then stealth to 34 while keeping longbow maxed and rest in shield.
now, in each bg i had max longbow, max bonus(its 1 pt per 5 lvls +1 as i recall, or something near that) and stealth with bonuses equalled my lvl(actually, in 35 bg it was 29+8) dont worry about thrust, because, if you inmelee, most will quickly dice you up, and that isnt due to weapon skill, its due to haveing really really poor styles for causing damage. but dotn worry, ow more than equals that out.
stay stealthed if you are not in a group, in lvl 19 bg i easily 1 shot kill nearly any cloth wearer. but i had a heavy longbow(lvl 26) and in every bg i used a bow well over my lvl, the dam difference is huge. 1 shot kill for 699 in caledonia, dozens of 1 shot kills for abermai, remember to use the high end arrows, and i would suggest learnign enough fletching for this, it makes it alot cheaper. thidranka was a blast, but i had a hard time on keep defense with the wall setup, was not very scout friendly.
when you hit lvl 35 you get rapid fire, thats your ace in the hole, kill any caster thats running round thinking of nukin someone. you can fire any bow faster than he can cast, he will die every time, use critshot, the hit rapid fire and start pincushioning him.
the donts of RvR, Dont take on a caster with pet, sometimes you win(kill caster before pet gets to you) somtimes you dont, i found it difficult at best. if you want to kill a heavy tank, use critshot and blunt arrows, then run, 10 sec stealth back up, circle and hit him again, you can kill any tank this way, just dont let him catch you, he will cut you up.
see a bonedancer, leave him alone, tho my favorite thing for him was woith group, i would slide to a flank, and when the BD sent his pets in, i would start shooting, kill him while his pets are occupied, he goes down fast, just dont solo him.
All in all, i had a blast in all 3 (didnt do 29 bg) bg's and in frontiers, well, stay in group, you are a valuable asset in takin out enemy casters, and in scouting.
as far as exping solo, takes a bit of thinking, and research, but you i solo yellows, chain pull 4, then rest for end, as an example, i could kill 1 orange tree(hammadryad) for most of my end, and a bit of health, shoot 4 times and melee, and get 12mil exp(lvl 38) or i can shoot 4 yellow trees, chain pull, in same amount of time, at 6 or 8 mil ea, no loss of health, and 30 sec recovery of end. thats twice the exp in same amount of time, so dont think soloing oranges is fastest exp, for scouts, 4 fast kills of yellows(crit shot and 2 more arrows each) is much more efficientuse of our time.
the hardest part is to acually find good things to kill at the lvl we are. some suggestions, dont try and solo anything that moves fast, that means less arrows on the pul. always search for dam bonus, blunt on skellys is my favorite, since skeletons of all types are slow movers, and blunt is a huge dam bonus, 20 pct, i crit shoot for 500 and get 599(99 dam bonus) for blunt arrows. others, dunters are great for 33 to 37(3 camps, each camp is lvl higher at the first house to right of ent into lyonesse) trees, fellwods suceptible to pierce, and hammadryad to sl, there are fellwoods of all types througout many zones. the trees at the road right at the line between sal plains and camp forest were great exp adn very fast easy kills. look up maps, look for open areas you can solo pull and kill, tombraiders in sal plains were a staple, etc etc. keep eye out for groups, grouping is always faster than solo, but solo is still effective. Regardless of weather you think you are effective in group, you still have a job to do, being puller is great fun, long as there is a tank to take agro, if you are haing a problem, use crappy low dam arrows, or i would switch to critshot to do 1/2 dam pull shots, letting tank get agro easily.
all in all, i have had a blast playing my scout. i have been effective and fun in bg, and have solod seeral of my levels when there were no groups. using a good bow and high end arrows you can easily kill most enemy class characters, but not all, we are indeed weak to a healing tank class, and pet casters, but thats part of game, no-one shoudl "own" all classes.
as a parting note, my most satisfactory solo kill, was finding a SB, stealthed on mb and standing a few ft in front of him, i sucessfully executed a stealthed crit shot, and dropped him 75pct of his health, then shot him second time for kill, boy was he suprised!!!
thanks, and hope to see you in realm!
Longbow
# Jul 04 2003 at 2:37 PM Rating: Default
Hello, i am a scout lvl 14, i dont know what it help if i spec in longbow, what does it?
My final spec for scout
# Jun 04 2003 at 5:08 AM Rating: Default
hehe, i was wanting to dump my scout but now i think i might stick with him, lvl 11 10 in longbow, 7 in thrust, 7 in slash (stupid mistake when first making him, going to respec it at 20), 3 shield and 3 stealth. Is my guy too badly speced or should the two re specs help this? my spec at lvl 50 was going to be 50 Longbow, 42 Shield, 34 Stealth and 20 thrust, the shield was so that i could stun them and run to get some distance for arrows and the thrust so tht i have a chance in combat? should i keep to this plan or not?
NiightShadeStalker
# Oct 10 2002 at 1:52 PM Rating: Default
I'm a lvl 28 Scout. In rvr I get owned by Lurkees and SB's, but I can solo oranges and yellows of all clases if they are alone. And when it comes to PvE i don't agree with what people say, i was in barrows with a lvl 34 arms, and i was doing the same amount of damage he was with a regular shot. Just something to think about for all the people who say that scouts are useless in PvE
Flight
# Aug 15 2002 at 3:56 PM Rating: Default
Greetings - I have read all sorts of opinions on scouts, but in the end,must go by experience. Scouts are a good char, not severly gimped, but they are somewhat. I know they were nerfed after many other chars complained - isnt this always the way? Why did they listen to them?

Fact; Scouts can only level on their own with difficulty. Fact; A Scout cannot one shot Sh*t in RvR - unless hes severly hurt or has rez sickness which means hes worth no realm pts and is a cheap shot you shouldnt bother with. Anyone who insists you can one shot is either lying or a braggart - I've heard em all...sigh...

Fact; a scouts melee is lame, his shield is much better except for the little fact that you run out of Endr to even use it, and being almost wholly reliant on the longbow - it should have greater range, be quicker, do more damage or a combination of the above to balance him out. Elvenwood arrows at twice the damage of the FFB's or new Flanged would be nice too.

They love to make a big deal about the scout and the proud history of the English Longbow, thats because it was awesome and killed people - I would like to see Scouts in this game given a similar opportunity.

I have many chars in this game and none but my scout is so nervous about taking even a yellow - if you dont get 2 or 3 good arrows in him you could easily die.

I would like the the Scout to be the detested, cowardly distance assasin he has always been accused of in history.....:)

Regards to all!
RE: Flight
# Aug 15 2002 at 4:09 PM Rating: Default
Oh and one footnote to the above...

I have had many Bow duels with Rangers and must begrudge the fact he shoots much faster as well as interupting my slow shot with the arrival of his arrow...:( Our distance difference in practical terms (battle) is almost negligable.

Any, slight, greater damage I do is more that offset by the number of arrows he can put in me in much quicker time.

Not much of a reccomendation for the most feared Archer in history - in fact the scout in this game tarnishes that image.

O well - I'm off to be machine gunned by Rangers, backstabbed by lurkeen or just plain blasted by casters who always seem to have my range...

Good Luck All....:)
RE : clerics are overlooked
# Jul 18 2002 at 2:48 AM Rating: Default
sorry about that ....i just was a little upset ;)
clerics are overlooked
# Jul 17 2002 at 3:43 AM Rating: Default
AHH! ...wrong .... clerics are the best RvR players there are, if it wasent for the clerics in BG albion would have been whiped out long time ago .....i have personly ressed about 20 peeps in 5 min .....tho many think that they are only inportent if they do a great deal of dam ...well ...they are wrong !! ....clerics are what makes BG fun ......think about it ....it would be fun the release every time you died in BG would it ?? ...then after 2 releases you would just go back to get xp ....i think clerics are overlooked .....AND FOR GOD SAKE ....NEVER RUSH A CLERIC ....THEY KNOW WHEN TO RESS IF THEY CAN SEE A FALLEN ALBION PLAYER 10 FEET FROM THERE THEY ARE DONT GO OVER TO THEM AND TELL THEM " RESS MY MATE FAST " coz then we will just get angry so many peeps do that now a day and it just ****** us off...we know that we have to ress that guys ...jesus ...why do you think we are clerics ....so give us a break, thanks :D

timma the cleric (rejuv only)
50usetobescout
# Jun 08 2002 at 10:48 PM Rating: Default
hello i just would like to say a few things. first in the BG i haved played with many Scouts and never have i ever thought a scout is gimped infact i belives scouts are the best rvr types in Albion besides albion. 2ndly i would like to direct this at the person that posted that if he thinks scouts are sooooo gimped then why did he play it all the way to lvl 50 when he would have known scouts are gimped far before that. I believe he is either an idiot or a liar. This person is named 50usetobescout.

Thanks you for all your time
Artanic lvl 30 paladin Kay
Faramier 9 lvl scout Kay
A bit worried
# Jun 07 2002 at 4:00 AM Rating: Default
I am a lvl 18 scout now and i cant wait to go to bg but from what every body is saying it sounds like i need less in stealth and more in thrust and shield right now i got 18 in bow and 17 in stealth and im trying to save up some more to put more into stealth so both will be = to my lvl i just want to kow if that this is a good idea?

Thanks
Aro lvl 18 Scout Igrane
A bit worried
# Jun 07 2002 at 4:00 AM Rating: Default
I am a lvl 18 scout now and i cant wait to go to bg but from what every body is saying it sounds like i need less in stealth and more in thrust and shield right now i got 18 in bow and 17 in stealth and im trying to save up some more to put more into stealth so both will be = to my lvl i just want to kow if that this is a good idea?

Thanks
Aro lvl 18 Scout Igrane
RE: A bit worried
# Jun 07 2002 at 4:01 AM Rating: Default
sorry about the double message
50usetobescout
# Jun 02 2002 at 3:45 AM Rating: Default
My best advise is to create another character, cuz no mater what ur spec is, ur just bait for aasasin types this class is too gimp to play.I truely feel sory for all the ppl that invested all their time to lvlv up this character.Take it from an ex 50 scout.
Invisibility
# May 26 2002 at 10:19 PM Rating: Default
Raising stealth makes you harder to see.
Stealth
# May 16 2002 at 5:01 PM Rating: Default
What effect does raising stealth have?
RE: Stealth
# May 30 2002 at 9:14 PM Rating: Default
raising stealth makes you harder to see
RE: Stealth
# Jul 07 2002 at 6:13 AM Rating: Default
Doesnt matter if ur harder to see unless u run into another archer. And assasins have see hidden anyways. Basically this is the function of stealth: The closer it is to ur level the faster u move in stealth.


Sanor
level 30 scout
Merlin
A Must Have Skill!
# May 15 2002 at 7:37 AM Rating: Default
For RvR: GET REALM POINTS QUICK! After getting like 30 or more, head back to a trainer and start TRAINING! Make sure you get Volley because once you shoot, it hits the group :) There are a couple more like Mastery of Stealth, Bow, and stuff. Go for everything you can!

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Longbow dmg
# May 13 2002 at 11:34 AM Rating: Default
Question...since the longbow is a thrust dmg weapon. Is the dmg only affected by your longbow skill, or is there some bonus added if you spec in thrust weapons as your melee skill?
RE: Longbow dmg
# May 27 2002 at 9:11 PM Rating: Default
Points into longbow will increase damage as will dexterity. As for a bow being a thrust weapon, that's not entirely true....unless you ask the Runemaster who just took my arrow in his kiester. Points into thrust weapons only affect melee skill.

On the other hand, the types of arrows you use are important when you consider thrust/slash. But this is only important for bonuses vs. certain armor types. Slash being good vs. leather, pierce vs. chain, etc.

Economy Jones
Scout - Palomides
RE: Longbow dmg
# May 16 2002 at 11:28 AM Rating: Default
to get max damg from your longbow. what is the best skill to put points into. wondering mind
scouts damage (albion)
# May 10 2002 at 1:52 AM Rating: Default
i am a lvl 24 scout and i use a Shadow-oaken longbow (lvl 25 legend of the lake quest).. we usually are fighting mids.. on average i shoot people for 150 dmg if they are lvl 24, on the lower lvls 20 and 21 i usually shoot them for 230 normal shot. my longbow skill is lvl 24 and i have +5 in items so its lvl 29.. ive never been able to get it past +5 in skill even if my items add up more. so far ive shot someone for 431 dmg.. try and get buffs too.. they help alot
RE: scouts damage (albion)
# May 21 2002 at 9:49 PM Rating: Default
wow that is a lot of dmg



hoping to be that graet 1 day
shaosh of merlin

Ranger.
# Apr 14 2002 at 10:40 AM Rating: Default
Hey all...
I just wanted to ask (i know this has nothing to do with Albion only).
In wich realm is the best ranger (bow user), is it Hibernia (ranger), or Albion (Scout).
And wich one of them makes the most damage with the bow?...

Thanks.
RE: Ranger.
# Aug 11 2002 at 10:01 AM Rating: Default
Well, i say Ranger is best, last time we were a Paladin and me (armsman) and a Ranger (Hibernia) shot down the Paladin, i got the Ranger, give him a hit, then he runs, ok i run after him, suddenly this ******* casts a self only spell and speeds up...... i stand there with my Eyes ******* wide open, this guy Owns me, i cannot get him , never, he always can run away from me, no chance, RANGERS ARE BEST CAUSE OF SELF ONLY SPEED UP!
RE: Ranger.
# May 11 2002 at 10:42 PM Rating: Decent
7 posts
Scout because its the pure bow class unlike hunters (beastcraft) and rangers (pathfinding) all we get at 5 is longbows and no magic.. so they are if you use common sense the best
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wesly
# Apr 08 2002 at 6:57 AM Rating: Default
I have a 24th lev scout and I tryed for 3 days to rvr in the 20-24 BG, with little effect. I was useing a silveroaken long bow with the best arrows and even with my crit shot i didn't do more then 80 dmg( btw my longbow skill is a 24 too), and I did upwards of 60-110 with a normal shot. well after 60+ deaths and only 28 rlm pts to my name, im am tired of the scout class, unless someone can tell me what is up. Have fun playing a scout, i did till now
RE: wesly
# May 06 2002 at 2:34 PM Rating: Default
Right now I have a lvl 21 scout on Kay with 225 rps, i don't have a problem dishing out damage to casters or tanks. For a while i used the silver oaken long bow and the footed flight broadhead arrows, and I averaged about 150 on the low spectrum to tanks and 200 - 360 on casters. You shouldn't have such a problem with your scout, although I would recommend a bow upgrade, try the keltoi bow drop, its not too much better, but the extra dmg helps out. :p
RE: wesly
# Apr 29 2002 at 12:48 PM Rating: Default
Heres some Tips for a good rvr scout
Spec in Bow and put all ya got into Stealth, i would get about 8 shield and 6 thrust/slash before, the shield is for Engage, which has saved my bum from many a NS's/SB's
And remember, dont shoot at tanks, go for the good tender/jucie stuff, shoot for casters. but remember, if ya miss your crit shot, turn and sprint then soon as ya can stealth. do hit and runs on them, and if ya can follow them around till they try to cross a river, then ya can take out the tanks before they even know whats going on. And, i can useually kill a caster in one normal shot, if not i get them to 0 Life, and by that time the 2nd arrow is on the way. but remember, Haul a$$ after you shoot or your a goner. a good place to be on is On the bridge, on top of one of the pillers, kill the ranged guys first, the tanks will have a **** of a time attempting to get to you, and you can jump off and usually stealth in mid air. it allways Throws em off me.
P.S. even though i got only 800-900 RP it doesnt mean i suck, its just their tanks and mez (no fair) =/

Dewnut Shewtme
33th Scout
Isult
RE: wesly
# Apr 11 2002 at 6:42 PM Rating: Default
I have a lvl 35 scout on pelinor and my crit shot on lvl 40+ is 100+. My suggestion is just give your scout time, the 20-24 bg is very low tuned. So that you wont do much damage with your bow shots or get more than 1 to 2 realm pnts per kill. Once you beging rvr with the scout that will change. So i would suggest giving your scout till atleast the 30-35 bg till dumping him. Also arrow damage has alot to do with the armor type that the other player is wearing. Goodluck
crit shot IX
# Apr 02 2002 at 4:25 PM Rating: Default
What's the point in increasing Longbow passed level 27 (crit shot 9)? Is damage based on your skill level or your character level?
Why Waste Arrows
# Mar 30 2002 at 11:00 AM Rating: Default
On blues and even yellows at lvl 21 I just take one crit shot, drop them to half or less and finish them off with melee. It is a waste of an arrow to finish off the last 20%.

Also I use regular broadheads with some footed broadheads for when I have to hit an orange with the crit shot.

With a good shield and weapon arrows will last three times as long, and you don't need to carry as many of them. Therefore more loot to buy the next round of arrows.
Arrow Making
# Mar 11 2002 at 12:07 AM Rating: Default
How do you create arrow? Step by step please.

Yota
RE: Arrow Making
# Mar 26 2002 at 6:22 AM Rating: Default
Ask me ingame to show !
First! you must join to the the bow master gilde !
for start up you need feathers (at Bowmasters house)
Wooden / dealer at Lathe in Cam
tool = knife / dealer at Lathe in Cam
rest i explain you in game... if you like ;O)
Sni
Brothers in Arms
Form
# Feb 15 2002 at 7:51 PM Rating: Default
how much do i have 2 go whit trust whit my scout?
new scout
# Jan 22 2002 at 10:57 AM Rating: Default
Starting a new scout today and woundering what path to go...

Full stealth 2/3 bow 1/3 trust/slash
Full Bow 2/3 stealth 1/2 trust/slash

or wut?

also which is better to use trust or slash, considering most arros say (trust damage) that mean i need skill in trust to get max damage?
RE: new scout
# Mar 08 2002 at 6:52 AM Rating: Default
Max bow doesn't have to mean 50. I'm only going 40-45 because of item bonuses. Heres my temp:

45 Bow
45 Stealth
29 Thrust
29 Shield

I will keep Shield and Thrust at half my level until I start getting the extra points at 40. I will start raising Stealth at around 20 (I know all the exact numbers but don't feel like explaining).

RE: new scout
# Mar 06 2002 at 4:08 PM Rating: Default
If you want to be effective. Go full Bow, and the rest into Thrust. Don't bother one bit with stealth til you reach about 20. Put your skills into your weapon and bow, stealth is not good at all in PvE, your weapon is much more important. When you hit 20, then you can stack more into stealth to prepare for RvR. Hope this helps ya.

P.S. Scouts own in the battleground!!!!!!!!!!
RE: new scout
# Feb 26 2002 at 9:42 AM Rating: Default
It actually doesn't matter. Your thrust skill does NOT affect damage with thrust arrows, etc.
RE: new scout
# Jan 31 2002 at 9:18 PM Rating: Default
thrust.
arrows.

spelling.
RE: new scout
# Feb 11 2002 at 5:41 AM Rating: Default
Thrust.
Arrows.

Capitals!
RE: new scout
# Apr 22 2002 at 11:51 AM Rating: Default
Hehehe... :-))
Longshot and Volly???????
# Jan 21 2002 at 1:22 PM Rating: Default
I'm a new scout and I was wondering what is this thing called longshot and volly? What do they do, when do I get them, How do I get them, and what prerequisites do I have to get them?

Thanks
RE: Longshot and Volly???????
# Feb 01 2002 at 5:08 PM Rating: Default
They haven't been implimented into game yet but because mythic finally put in climb for assassin classes i believe it will be soon. Right now their making the assassins better because its unbalenced. once thats done volley and longshot not far behind.
Weeeeeeeeee BLEEP
# Jan 17 2002 at 11:08 PM Rating: Good
okay the dps stuff, yea you want the highest DPS you can get, but not necessarily the quickest bow...
first off, lower speed is quicker...

a 10dps bow 10spd will hit 10 times as hard as a
10dps 1spd bow....

in the time you could fire 1 normal shot with the 10spd, you could fire 10 with the 1 speed bow, and the damage would equal roughly the same.

Of course though, critical strike is a percent increase, so youd want to hit the hardest you can with that.
...say you hit double damage with crit strike...
a crit strike from the super quick bow might only be...20,
while the slow bow would end up being more like 200
((the numbers are whacky because im using examples...no such 1speed bow exists))

also if you have a super quick bow, you will spend MORE money to do the same or LESS amount of damage(because of crit strike being a % increase in dmg)

in an RvR situation, you hide, and try to kill in one shot...thats not possible with the fast dinky bow
...of course the big bad slow bow would be a killer

also do note, longbows, the slowest and most damaging bows, also have the longest range of everything.

In all cases a SLOW and more damaging bow is better than a fast one



i agree...mythic should have left DPS out and kept the Base Damage listings like it had been all along. Or keep dps, and also put base damage
RE: Weeeeeeeeee BLEEP
# Apr 09 2002 at 2:51 AM Rating: Default
Not all cases...

My hunter makes quick work of one of your scouts with a big slow bow... Provided that i am in range my quicker release interupts your shot all too often.
RE: Weeeeeeeeee BLEEP
# Apr 26 2002 at 6:34 PM Rating: Default
Your midgard bows to squat damage to my scout (not a highlander or even briton, weak saracen)I have no idea how you guys do anything in rvr, prey always gets away before you can kill it.
ExO
# Jan 13 2002 at 6:12 PM Rating: Default
Heh 180 to greens I hear?

I'm fully specced in longbow at lvl 24, scouts are totally useless in grouped PvE, but duo scouts can lvl faster than anything, oranges are a breeze, I use shadow oak and since this is a twink I of course flaunt my money by buying the 76s miricle arrows. oranges get whacked with 315 damage at lvl 21, maybe because of the cleric buffs (of course because of them) but hitting for 315 was **** nice :), 2man groups with a scout is the way to lvl, ask anyone who owns a scout.

(I wrote this because I love Elsa)
Stalath Scout of Albion
# Jan 01 2002 at 11:43 AM Rating: Default
Scouts are very tough indeed in PvE. But when it comes to RvR we are the most valuable. Get a couple scouts together with longobow maxed and youll take out many before they see you, then just lead them into the trap of 80 tanks waiting on them while their healers are laying on the floor with arrows stuck in them. Just keep your longbow maxed and stealth high and all the hard work of leveling up will pay off :)
Types of Bows (Merchant)
# Dec 22 2001 at 7:06 PM Rating: Default
Could anyone speak to the differences in the types of bows of the same level... there are three yellow to me at 14... Hunting bow, Longbow, and regular bow. What differences are there? The dps and delay are roughly the same.

What benefit is there to having a Longbow over a Hunting Bow for example?

Thanks
RE: Types of Bows (Merchant)
# Dec 26 2001 at 12:26 PM Rating: Default
Longbows have the most range and damage but fire the slowest. Bows are next, then hunting bows.
Lag
# Dec 19 2001 at 10:57 PM Rating: Default
I'm currently running a 475 AMD with 128megs with no graphics card. Due to my move I'm only connecting at 32.2. My adsl is coming this friday, does anyone think I would have any troubles running this game. If you can tell me what you run and any troubles you have or not that would be greatly appreciated. I plan on being a scout also if that should weigh into your response. Thanks
RE: Lag
# Jan 11 2002 at 7:41 PM Rating: Default
450 is gonna be rough for raids also im on a 900mhz AMD on cable and I have problems on high amounts of people on raids like 50+ and 450 might not cut it I hate to say
RE: Lag
# Dec 27 2001 at 2:26 PM Rating: Default
your gonna have a problem with no graphics card im pretty sure. I think its a requirtement of the game..yes it says on box graphics acceleration card required might want to fork over 200 bucks and get one..
RE: Lag
# Dec 30 2001 at 4:35 PM Rating: Default
Or fork over the $60 for a cheap-o Geforce2 which is good for the game :)
RE: Lag
# Feb 28 2002 at 10:30 PM Rating: Default
I dont think that a GeForce2 card is gonna help him. His system specs are kinda low. Im 2 Boxing with a P3 500 with a GeForce 2 MX and 396 megs of ram. My seconds is a P4 2 Gig with a GeForce 3 and 512 RDRam and it still lags out during big raids. I wouldnt even think of bringing my P3 out into the frontier unless I wanted to give away free realm points.
RE: Lag
# Apr 09 2002 at 6:00 AM Rating: Default
Hello! Im runing av XP system with dual amd 1800+ 512ram and gf3!! I STILL LAGG! ... BIG PVP ... are a killer on eny system. PS : i have a 1gigabit connection!. So ... There are no hope. But think of this : your enemy is lagging too :)
RE: Lag
# Apr 23 2002 at 3:15 PM Rating: Default
Duals isn't gonna matter, XP doesn't know what to do with duals. (So it's supposed to know, but it does a **** poor job).

I have XP 1900+ 512MB DDR, Asus MB with Nvidia chipset, and Gf3 on 640 dsl and hardly EVER have lag problems. Raids, even full scale relic raids are a piece of cake, and I don't even turn all my effects off. Sometimes I do turn effects off, and sometiems on the massive 70 peopel groups auto-follow runs I lag, but otherwise is great.

So I don't know what your deal is. :)
Damge
# Dec 19 2001 at 4:49 PM Rating: Default
Okay, there are posts here concerning DPS vs SPD. I.E Damage Per Second and Weapon Speed.

Here's the deal. Everquest (for once I think they're example is best) weapons are base damage and base delay. Period. What gives here?! THis is crap. Damage per Second should be derived from base damage, and delay , hence, Damage Per Second!! So wtf?!

Someone is saying a 10dps 10spd bow is slower, but hits harder, than a 10dps 1spd bow? What, *EXACTLY*, does this stuff mean? Because Like I said above..damage per second..weapon speed..combined?? wtf??!? Completely non-sensical. To me, you want the highest DPS possible and the lowest SPD (delay) between attacks possible. But, that's just me.. and I'm probably wrong, course, it still makes sense to me!!

Also I hear archers were nerfed. Okay, I just started playing this game and read a patch message the other day about a 6 week anniversary. Okay, wtf gives? This is a cool game but this is the first time I caught wind of such utter crap. Here's the deal - Im still not sure wtf it matters to have focus bonuses as a cabalist, or if af makes a lick of difference, after playing THREE of them to level 10. lol.. And any of the 3 can solo oranges, sometimes reds. Now I've played a scout to level 9, and I really like it..mostly because I like the idea of sneaking in and killing people, likely going to have 2 of my 4 slots filled with an Infiltrator and a Scout..but anyways.. Okay, so pretty much any caster kicks **** I imagine, doesn't matter..what else is new right..follow tradition. What erks me though is not only does a scout not have half a chance of hitting a red con with their bow, but their damage would suck, AND.. they can't solo them.
RE: Damge
# Jan 06 2002 at 2:19 PM Rating: Default
Heres the deal, these are "nerfed" because in PvE scouts are pathetic, but in RvR, if your high enough, it's a one shot kill from the blue, being able to pick off your target from quiet a distance.
RE: Damge
# Jan 31 2002 at 11:12 PM Rating: Default
that would be true except that every class and their mother has blade turn now. So our crit shots are rendered useless, and no more one hit kills. It once took me 3 hits to kill a grey, and at lvl35 i have 41 bow skill using items.
RE: Damge
# Feb 17 2002 at 2:11 PM Rating: Default
Uh, Bladeturn doesnt effect crits and backstabs unless the bladeturn is placed on a target by someone higher level than the assassin. Then it still only has a marginal chance of success
spec for higheset crit shot
# Dec 18 2001 at 12:54 PM Rating: Default
If i am not mistaken critical shot IV is the highest one scouts get. What lvl spec in long bows does this occur.
RE: spec for higheset crit shot
# Jan 07 2002 at 3:06 PM Rating: Default
OK, I made level 15 last night with my scout, and I go t Critical Shot V, anybody kow when they might stop? Or does it keep going up?
RE: spec for higheset crit shot
# Dec 18 2001 at 4:36 PM Rating: Default
Im at lvl IX [9] crit shot and I'm a lvl 33 scout on tristran, so to correct your question there is much higher crit shots then IV..
Newbie Question
# Dec 15 2001 at 9:43 PM Rating: Default
How do you hold the arrow back and how do you shoot it?
Money $$
# Dec 06 2001 at 11:46 AM Rating: Default
Here's a hint, the quickest, easiest way o get money is taking up fletching, once it hits around 250, keep down your metalworking, and leatherworking, and try to keep wood working, and clothworking maxed. if that requires making a few dolls or breadboards so be it, it pays off in the long run. That way you are only given tasks on bows and blunt arrows, on oaken longbows you can make upwards of 30 silver per task, that doesnt sound like much, but it adds up QUICK. now that your money problem is solved, you can get the best of the best bows and arrows, and yellows start dropping before they even get to you, at least they do for my scout <11th season>
hope that helps all you money hungry scouts
blinger
# Dec 05 2001 at 6:41 PM Rating: Default
i jus need to know one thing how do we switch to diffrent arrows
RE: blinger
# Dec 06 2001 at 12:13 PM Rating: Default
buy them equip in the top spot secon spot ect bow uses the ones in the top slot first then moves down the inventory.,
DPS
# Nov 29 2001 at 4:51 PM Rating: Default
A note on weapon stats…very important for a scout.

DPS=damage per second…this is averaged out to 100% damage potential, if it has a high dam and a low speed (long time to shoot) but had the same DPS as another bow that shoots faster (lower dam and takes a short time to load) you will do less damage with your critical…this is important cause many times you have time for that first shot, so if you can take a blue to near half then you are rocking. But you may only get one or two extra shots off before the MOB closes on you…with a high speed bow you get about 3-4 shots off but since they come after that first mighty blow, I like it having as much damage as possible.

Also it is a lot cheaper, since you will be paying for each shot, to do more damage each shot, the down side is if you miss you are up the creek cause the monster still comes at you.

Also Know your Role.

When soloing max damage spend the cash on arrows, when in a group and you are pulling, use the cheapest flight arrows for pulling, that way the tanks can get the mob off of you, and shoot only once, the normal shot will do. (this is for a medium to large group) for a small group with no major tanks do as much damage as you can in the shortest amount of time much like any other class.

In short, as a class we are bad…but if we learn to finesse the system and know our place we can have a fun time…plus scouts in RvR have all the fun. I expect to be able to get 2 good shots off before anyone figures where I am, more if it’s in the woods, then you run and hide…coming back and harassing…get groups when they are down, target their healers and have fun…what’s the worst that can happen…If your realm-mates are in combat with any of the barbarous invaders…target the enemies healers if they die the group dies…or at least stays dead.

Prior to RVR it’s going to be hard…very hard, you can’t solo blues well, sometimes greens will kill you, and it costs major cash to have good equipment and arrows. In short learn to make cash, we are the most cash driven class in the game.

Seachan
RE: DPS
# Dec 10 2001 at 3:39 AM Rating: Default
Well so far I am only 15th level scout, but I can take blues easy with just my sword without doing any damage with my bow, and if I get to start at long range with the bow it isnt even close as they usally die with the 1st or 2nd hit of my rapier when they finally get to me, yellows are harder but still very doable, if my crit shot dosnet hit like I want I just run away and come back after they have stopped chasing and try again, I can easily solo blues all day long.

Elros 15th Scout
Narff
# Dec 06 2001 at 5:27 AM Rating: Default
Couldn't have said it any better myself, and the last part i agree with 100%! sometimes its super anoying realising that you will never see the 27%abs of chain armour. *sigh*
Keeping your weapons upgraded is the most vitale thing to insure your succes at hunting wether it be solo or in a group.
forgot
# Nov 29 2001 at 4:29 PM Rating: Default
Oh, forgot about some stuff like singing and such

Seachan
From what I can gather
# Nov 29 2001 at 4:24 PM Rating: Default
Ok, I have not been playing long (a week) but from what I have gathered with a friend being on beta and all is Critical shot I and II and III and IV… are all lowering of time made to make a critical shot, I is 10% less then the typical double normal, II is 20% less III is 30% less all the way till IX at level 50ish there it is 90% less extra time or 10% more extra time, what a critical shot does…simply it doubles the damage you would have done to a blue if you shot normally. As you go up in difficulty yellow, orange, red… you do less and less extra damage.

Another factor in the Bow skill is that you have greater damage potential the higher the skill, if at max its something like 110-150% of base damage a little lower and it is 90-120 all the way to 70-90 so if you have 1 point in a skill and you use it you will do half the damage someone with the skill maxed out and you will hit less (this goes for all attacks).

The biggest thing with the archer classes and the scout in general is arrows, as you will notice arrows are always gray, if you buy the expensive stuff you will do more damage, and get better accuracy. To the point that anyone buying the real expensive ones even at low levels will be able to kill without entering melee…This is the reason for the Archer nerfs. And should be changed, As it stands it makes fletchery a necessity, you need to dedicate about 3-4 gold to making your own arrows. If this is a second character or you have some high level friend ask him to give you money to get that going. If not you will be paying 5-6 gold every time you go to town for new arrows.

Newbi Recommendations.

Things to think about.

You get 2X your level in skills as a scout, in essence you can max out one skill and have another just one below…but we have 3-4 main skills, my recommendation is max out bow and one melee skill put a few points in shield every once in a while up until you plan on going to RvR after that your priority changes to stealth and bow.
Also buy the best armor you can at level 8-11 I have found myself getting in trouble when I pull that the Tanks can’t get the mob off of me based on my damage output with my bow and thrusting…so without good armor you will die even in a group.
critical shot IV
# Nov 27 2001 at 5:20 PM Rating: Default
Does anyone know what the different critical shot lvls do? I now have critical shot IV but cannot tell that much difference. Also to stay stelth when you are aming bow what is the lvl diff you need to have in bow vs stelt vs lvl of character you are vs lvl of character you are aiming at.
Longbow Skill
# Nov 26 2001 at 11:46 AM Rating: Default
One other thing that I havnt seen mentioned here is that your level of longbow skill determines what level creatures you can crit shot.

lets say you are level 15, and you have 14 longbow skill.

That means you can only crit shot successfully on mobs that are level 1 to 14. If you fire a crit shot on a mob that is level 15 or higher, it will only hit for normal damage.

If that scout was to then complete the level 15 epic quest that results in +2 longbow gauntlets, raising his longbow skill to 16, he could crit shot on creatures up to level 16.

For this reason, and this reason alone, it is worth keeping Longbow skill up high. The reduced time on critshot doesnt really matter, as a long draw time on the first shot has no real effect.

Zadkiel.
Scouts n Bows
# Nov 25 2001 at 1:14 AM Rating: Good
I read a lot of things here that I agree with and disagree with.

1. Scouts with high level CAN do 150+ dmg with critical. I do it frequently, normally targeting greens, blues. Most damage I've done to orange is 90.
2. High speed is better than dmg per shot. My bow LVL is 20 and every other shot is critical +50 dmg. I'll take 5 shots and drop blue before melee starts (provided 1st shot is critical).
Yellows start at 10% of total HP, oranges at 50% (tend to miss and need extra shots against oranges).
3. Volley is still being put into effect. Only BETA testers that earned it originally have that skill. Saw it demonstrated by friend in Frontier. Very cool. He threw 5 arrows into ground and very quickly grabbed one at a time and shot to specified area near enemies. (You can't target creatures, as it is an area effect shot.)

Oh yeah....forgot to mention I use Oaken Longbow (yellow at LVL19) with flight blunt arrows. I've done well over 200 dmg with footed flight broadhead arrows, but don't like the hefty cost! I recommend the flight blunts as they cost 2s+ and have great range.

TIPS FOR NEW SCOUTS...

Grab all the extra stealth and thrust skills you can. High stealth allows you to aim bow hidden, especially good for when you need to sneak up for 1 time super critical without chance of missing.
High thrust is necessary for melee, as arrows don't kill until you are high in level. Oh yeah, almost forgot, don't underestimate the value of a good shield. Bought the best on the market, riased skill to 5, and block 10% of all attacks.
RE: Scouts n Bows
# Dec 27 2001 at 2:36 PM Rating: Default
Umm no one has volley yet. Hate to break it to ya. All beta chars were wiped. Dont know what your friend did but it wasnt that. Also at lvl 20 the cost of flight broadhead arrows is nothing.
RE: Scouts n Bows
# Nov 25 2001 at 1:15 AM Rating: Default
Forgot to sign Prior


Shyanna on Tristan server
yyeess
# Nov 23 2001 at 2:49 PM Rating: Default
------Okay, first off to shoot and reload automatically...
first click crit shot (when you are in range of the target) then click the bow button twice ((the first click will make you auto release, the second will make you auto reload))
once you fire that shot, click it twice again...
ive gotten up to 5 shots before... If you load the bow before the enemy attacks you, you wont be interrupted if you are holding it...

-----to the level 17 scout... 7.1dps is good, but, your bow is fast (4.0) so you must fire more shots to equal the same damage... If you get a slower bow with equal dps you will be doing more dmg PER shot (I much rather prefer a slow bow
example: say you have a 10dps 1spd bow
and a 10dps 10spd bow
you only get one crit shot so you want it to count for the most (the slow bow will do more dmg)...
also with the fast bow you would need to fire many many more arrows to equal the same ammount of damage
bow damage
# Nov 22 2001 at 10:37 AM Rating: Default
i forgot to mention my bow is 7.1 dps and 4.0 speed.

Novix
17 Scout Pelinor
Bow Damage
# Nov 22 2001 at 10:21 AM Rating: Default
I see alot of post here and other places of scouts saying oh i do like 180 dmg at 16 17 and i was wondering how. I must be doing something wrong i am fully spec'd in longbow but crit shot still only does like 125 to blues for me. Am i missing anything.

Novix
17 scout Pelinor
RE: Bow Damage
# Nov 26 2001 at 12:45 AM Rating: Default


Sure, any idiot can target a deep grey monster and crit shot it. Hope that enlightens (or stfu's) any would be braggards.



-Tainan Trueshot
Lancelot
RE: Bow Damage
# Jan 21 2002 at 10:08 AM Rating: Default
Lvl 18 Scout, LB 20, Thr 14, with ironwood crafted bow (100, 100, 98). If you think scouts can't crit for 150+ on a blue or even a yellow then you are doing something wrong. I do this on a regular basis with crafted flight broadheads on yellows. Blues are almost one shot kills for me (200+ dmg crit). Why waste your time with blunt? If your not making your own arrows and using flight broadheads your loosing dmg you could be doing to the mob. Can't wait to get up in lvl's and RvR with guild mates. Luck all!

Shanuser
Illuminati
Morgan Le Fay
RE: Bow Damage
# Mar 28 2002 at 12:34 AM Rating: Default
uhh I was doing 90-110 dmg crit shots at lvl 6 with the 24s X-Long Range X-Heavy dmg normal accuracy arrows ( can't remember name atm) on blue bandits and 80-90 on yellow bandits, it was mostly 2 shots per bandit (blue or yellow) sometimes 3 or a smack or two with my melee wep, of course use a longbow not one of the slower bows
styles
# Nov 17 2001 at 10:41 PM Rating: Default
so do we get volley lol
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# Nov 13 2001 at 3:13 PM Rating: Default
hehe whoops kept on readin and someoen else answered it for me
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# Nov 13 2001 at 3:12 PM Rating: Default
hehe whoops kept on readin and someoen else answered it for me
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