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#1 Feb 26 2012 at 3:31 PM Rating: Decent
I am tired of living in the "dark ages" of logging into FFXI on my computer and not being able to "alt-tab" to browse the web. I just want something that works better then the built in windower under FFXI-configurations that allows me to lower the screen to do other stuff on my computer.

I have been playing since 2003 and I have a security token for protection, but if I get banned/keylogged hacked and my account get wiped my life is basically gone.

Is using the program, downloaded from the official site *link removed*, safe?

Every time I have to look up something I have to log, and my friends say that I don't have to if I use windower (they never talk about this in ffxi chat, they talk over team-speak). It would also be nice to be able to go do something in FFXI while having ffxiah's shout box opened reading shouts in Port Jeuno.

I'm sitting here weighing the risks,I really want to be able to browse the web while playing ffxi but I don't want to lose my account because one day SE gets tired and goes on a crusade banning people that uses 3rd party programs.

I'm sorry if this is a "forbidden" subject talking about 3rd party programs but I just need some information.


Edit: I wont be using any fancy plugins at all, I just want to be able to "alt-tab" the game.

Edit 2: Why didn't I use this back in TOA days?! I don't mean to sound crazy, but alt-tabing and browsing the web while waiting on slow people in voidwatch is making me feel like a kid in a candy store.

I wont bump this but if someone reads this wondering if windower is safe.. I have been using it for 12 days and it's pretty sweet, I can actually alt-tab boot up ffxiah's shout section and explore the world of FFXI while bored and *still* watch shouts in port jeuno! This is so amazing, thank you everyone for supporting me into doing this.



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#2 Feb 26 2012 at 3:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Omgstupidmouselolllll wrote:
I am tired of living in the "dark ages" of logging into FFXI on my computer and not being able to "alt-tab" to browse the web. I just want something that works better then the built in windower under FFXI-configurations that allows me to lower the screen to do other stuff on my computer.

I have been playing since 2003 and I have a security token for protection, but if I get banned/keylogged hacked and my account get wiped my life is basically gone.

Is using the program, downloaded from the official site, safe?

Every time I have to look up something I have to log, and my friends say that I don't have to if I use windower (they never talk about this in ffxi chat, they talk over team-speak). It would also be nice to be able to go do something in FFXI while having ffxiah's shout box opened reading shouts in Port Jeuno.

I'm sitting here weighing the risks,I really want to be able to browse the web while playing ffxi but I don't want to lose my account because one day SE gets tired and goes on a crusade banning people that uses 3rd party programs.

I'm sorry if this is a "forbidden" subject talking about 3rd party programs but I just need some information.


Edit: I wont be using any fancy plugins at all, I just want to be able to "alt-tab" the game.

Edited, Feb 26th 2012 4:34pm by Omgstupidmouselolllll


To answer your questions, yes you can use the program to do what you are asking, alt-tab to use the rest of your desktop.

The makers of Windower have been around for years and a lot of pc user's use the program. There are no virus that come with it. The main reason you won't see your fellow LS mates talking about it in chat while in game is simply. Its a 3rd party program and against the TOS to use.

The only way your gonna get banned for using Windower is if you go running through town screaming you are using it.


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#4 Feb 26 2012 at 3:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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I used it for like 6 years and had no problems. Nobody gets banned for using windower. Anyone that's ever said they were banned for using windower was doing something considerably less savory.
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As I said in another thread the other day:

Nobody has ever been banned for using Windower. Ever. People get banned for talking about using Windower.

Since you're mainly looking for just the ability to alt-tab, I would suggest that you look into Windower Light. Alternatively, you may be unaware that FFXI now has a built-in windowed mode which will allow you to alt-tab. You can turn it on in the FFXI Config in your Windows Start menu.

Also, you should remove the link in your OP. Direct links to Windower are not allowed here since Alla (ZAM) is considered an affiliate of sorts with Square Enix. This entire thread is probably pushing the envelope too far.
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#7 Feb 26 2012 at 7:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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As I said in another thread the other day:

Nobody has ever been banned for using Windower. Ever. People get banned for talking about using Windower.

Since you're mainly looking for just the ability to alt-tab, I would suggest that you look into Windower Light. Alternatively, you may be unaware that FFXI now has a built-in windowed mode which will allow you to alt-tab. You can turn it on in the FFXI Config in your Windows Start menu.

Also, you should remove the link in your OP. Direct links to Windower are not allowed here since Alla (ZAM) is considered an affiliate of sorts with Square Enix. This entire thread is probably pushing the envelope too far.


Right now, as far as I'm concerned, it hasn't crossed the line yet. You can discuss the general use of it, as well as the moral and legal outlook on it, but getting into talking about and supplying links, scripts, plug-ins, etc is crossing the line.

Subadai, I nuked your post because it was getting into that area of Windower usage and discussion that I want people to avoid. If they want to know how that stuff works and how to avoid making mistakes along those lines, that's what the Windower forums are for.

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Vlor should nuke his own post for directing people to the windower site. Bad form zam overlord.

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Like I said in another thread: better chance of keyloggers from visiting virtually any FFXI website and better chance of being banned for having a rejected payment.
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#10 Feb 27 2012 at 4:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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Vlor should nuke his own post for directing people to the windower site. Bad form zam overlord.



That's always been how we approach those sorts of topics though, so it's not like it's anything new. Any topic just asking about the logistics or morality behind using Windower, just general comments involving it (like someone mentioning they use windower or that they take screenshots with windower or things like that), but if someone's asking for technical advice regarding it, then we say for them to go to the Windower forum instead.
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Just a quickie but I thought XI now has the ability to be windowed ? It's in the Config options and if you are just after the alt tab function then I would suggest using that if you are really worried about "bans".
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Just a quickie but I thought XI now has the ability to be windowed ? It's in the Config options and if you are just after the alt tab function then I would suggest using that if you are really worried about "bans".

Except it sucks ass: tends to halve your frame rate, screws up gamma settings, and mutes the sound when not in focus so you can't hear /tells or agro when you're doing something else.
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Lonix wrote:
Just a quickie but I thought XI now has the ability to be windowed ? It's in the Config options and if you are just after the alt tab function then I would suggest using that if you are really worried about "bans".

Except it sucks ass: tends to halve your frame rate, screws up gamma settings, and mutes the sound when not in focus so you can't hear /tells or agro when you're doing something else.


There's a setting now that it will play the sounds in the background.
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Just a quickie but I thought XI now has the ability to be windowed ? It's in the Config options and if you are just after the alt tab function then I would suggest using that if you are really worried about "bans".

Except it sucks ass: tends to halve your frame rate, screws up gamma settings, and mutes the sound when not in focus so you can't hear /tells or agro when you're doing something else.


There's a setting now that it will play the sounds in the background.


the memory usage is still messed up using SE;s built in windowing function. Almost everything in windower is there to address the clucky user interface in ffxi.
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Lonix wrote:
Just a quickie but I thought XI now has the ability to be windowed ? It's in the Config options and if you are just after the alt tab function then I would suggest using that if you are really worried about "bans".

Except it sucks ass: tends to halve your frame rate, screws up gamma settings, and mutes the sound when not in focus so you can't hear /tells or agro when you're doing something else.


I actually didnt mind using it, Windowers distance helped back in the day of "BLM Life". I do agree the sounds of tells is usually a bonus or "You are being talked about". Some times though it can drive you insane! ;)
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The built-in Windower also doesn't let you run fullscreen and retain the ability to Alt+Tab. It's either-or. You either turn off windower for full-screen with no multitasking, or you put it in windowed mode with multitasking.

The third-party Windower allows you to run fullscreen without losing multitasking. This is especially useful for people with multiple monitors on their PC.
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#17 Feb 27 2012 at 10:40 AM Rating: Excellent
Thank you guys for the replies, since it is widly used I'm safe to assume that I will be safe as long as I don't say I use it ingame. I will be only using it to alt/tab, nothing more.

I have just been really tired lately having to log in and out to check for information while my friends wait for me. The bad part about this is that I can't log to check information wile in abyssea or it will wipe my cruor buffs.

If a person has 300+ minutes saved up and they really really want to look something up to use their time wisely in the zone, they can't unless they have another computer or use windower/built in "crap" windower. It's one of the reasons why I'm giving this a go.
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Thank you guys for the replies, since it is widly used I'm safe to assume that I will be safe as long as I don't say I use it ingame.

My friend and I tend to refer to it as Fight Club while in-game, partly for the humor and partly to appease our slight paranoia.
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Omgstupidmouselolllll wrote:
If a person has 300+ minutes saved up and they really really want to look something up to use their time wisely in the zone, they can't unless they have another computer or use windower/built in "crap" windower. It's one of the reasons why I'm giving this a go.



Actually, you don't lose your time if you log out and back in, just your cruor buffs.
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Actually, you don't lose your time if you log out and back in, just your cruor buffs


It's still a pain to find the nearest conflux and log out near the npcs that give you the buffs. I would rather just alt/tab in a safe spot to save time.
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or just use the built in setting.... but windower works too... but really if all you want to do is look stuff up, windower might be more than you need.

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or just use the built in setting.... but windower works too... but really if all you want to do is look stuff up, windower might be more than you need.




windower is never more than you need...... never....

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unless you can't live without various addons then I agree. personally windower isn't that great its nice but hardly revolutionary, I use the ingame windowed mod and do just as well as everyone else.
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unless you can't live without various addons then I agree. personally windower isn't that great its nice but hardly revolutionary, I use the ingame windowed mod and do just as well as everyone else.


Honestly, I could live with everything standard except six-line macros. I would never go back to that.
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yeah the only reason I ever tried to hook in windower was the promise of longer better macros... but I could never get it to look right - it looked terrible and I couldn't fix it to save my soul (a friend did the reg edit for me in vanilla XI, but it didn't work with windower)
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unless you can't live without various addons then I agree. personally windower isn't that great its nice but hardly revolutionary, I use the ingame windowed mod and do just as well as everyone else.

Honestly, I could live with everything standard except six-line macros. I would never go back to that.

For me, there's quite a few things I don't know if I could live without.
  • Tparty: I can probably live without it, but it sure is nice. Having to hit TP announce macros was an unnecessary layer of communication. We can see each others HP and MP. We should be able to see each others TP.
  • Distance: This is headed toward the "can't live without" range. It is so freaking annoying trying to hit my Provoke or Pet Fight macro on a moving target and to keep seeing the "blah blah blah is not in range" message. Trying to do the same with ranged attack is just as bad, since you have to come to a full stop or you get hit with the "you move and interrupt yourself" message.
  • Light Luggage: This is on the "can't live without" end the spectrum. Built in auto-sort is garbage. I need to keep my gear separated into groups to be able to switch between my 7 jobs without driving myself crazy. If SE had implemented an auto-stack feature instead of auto-sort, this would be a different story.
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is windower compatible with the Steam version?
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is windower compatible with the Steam version?


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Light Luggage: This is on the "can't live without" end the spectrum. Built in auto-sort is garbage. I need to keep my gear separated into groups to be able to switch between my 7 jobs without driving myself crazy. If SE had implemented an auto-stack feature instead of auto-sort, this would be a different story.


The built in auto-sort does stack those items that are stackable in your main inventory, doesn't affect any of the other storage locations. Those you need to manually sort. LL was added before SE's added their feature though. And I believe most people used it not for so much for auto-stacking junk drops, but for blocking out junk drops. Was the reason I got all the beaks/feathers/crystals during bird parties but everyone else would just get beastmen seals.

I will admit on the 'Call TP in /p', it would have been nice back when I first started playing in '03; days of SC+MB were heavy at all levels/camps. I say'03 since I had bought the PC version after starting on PS2. But by the time a good percentage of the population started using this program, SC+MBs had pretty much fallen out of favor in standard parties. Only time I would see calls was during Sky/Sea (didn't do ground kings-no time for that) runs on the NMs, even that was so people wouldn't walk on the SAM's self-SCs. I was never in a group that had enough observant BLMs to actually be able to time a nuke for those events.

Distance and Draw-distance would have been extremely nice to have. Knowing how far away you were and cleaning up the graphics before we figured out the reg settings would have be wonderful. The timer counters is another of those I wish were in-game already, more so since I was on rdm most of the time.
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Light Luggage: This is on the "can't live without" end the spectrum. Built in auto-sort is garbage. I need to keep my gear separated into groups to be able to switch between my 7 jobs without driving myself crazy. If SE had implemented an auto-stack feature instead of auto-sort, this would be a different story.

The built in auto-sort does stack those items that are stackable in your main inventory, doesn't affect any of the other storage locations. Those you need to manually sort.

The problem isn't lack of auto-stacking. It's that it goes a step further and auto-sorts everything in my pack. I have a group of gear that's for all of my jobs. And then I have gear for all my melee jobs that goes into my pack when I'm on a melee job. And then I have gear that's for a smaller subset of jobs that goes into my pack when I'm on one of those jobs. And then I have gear specifically for the job I'm on. If I let the game auto-sort, all those gear sets get mixed together, which would become a nightmare to manage when I switch between 7 jobs.
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is windower compatible with the Steam version?
Just like to point out here, there is no "steam version." Steam's "version" is exactly the same as everyone else. The only difference is what directory you've installed it in. You can even run the "steam version" directly by clicking the .exe from the installation folder. You don't have to have steam running at all.
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One thing I gotta say about running FFXI on a Mac with Parallels... is it's awesome.

You use Spaces on the Mac, which is basically 4 different "screens" you get to use. You just hit whatever key you have assigned to look at all the windows (for me it's F12), and it gives you a view of all four windows. I always keep Safari open on one screen with Zam on it, another with FFXI Atlas, if i don't have maps, and the first one is FFXI. I can easily switch back and forth without losing my login. I can even continue to play (with a game controller) while watching all 4 preview screens at once.
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I always keep Safari open on one screen with Zam on it, another with FFXI Atlas, if i don't have maps, and the first one is FFXI. I can easily switch back and forth without losing my login. I can even continue to play (with a game controller) while watching all 4 preview screens at once.


I don't know if it's still the case but FFXI Atlas used to be riddled with viruses and trojans. I would just use the Wiki for maps to be safe unless you are certain FFXI Atlas is safe now.
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The only reason people use windower is for the plugins. The sooner you stop denying that the sooner we can get back to our things.

You can Alt+Tab with 100% original FFXI, just hit it up in the settings. But everyone knows why you're really asking anyhow...
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Just a quickie but I thought XI now has the ability to be windowed ? It's in the Config options and if you are just after the alt tab function then I would suggest using that if you are really worried about "bans".

Except it sucks ass: tends to halve your frame rate, screws up gamma settings, and mutes the sound when not in focus so you can't hear /tells or agro when you're doing something else.


Hmm if by Sucks **** you mean lacks Plugins and Scripts of the unofficial Windower, Agreed. It has yet to kill my FPS or gamma.

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Have to keep the board alive somehow.

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Vlor should nuke his own post for directing people to the windower site. Bad form zam overlord.



That's always been how we approach those sorts of topics though, so it's not like it's anything new. Any topic just asking about the logistics or morality behind using Windower, just general comments involving it (like someone mentioning they use windower or that they take screenshots with windower or things like that), but if someone's asking for technical advice regarding it, then we say for them to go to the Windower forum instead.

That's not true. You (plural) used to flip your **** if people brought up windower.
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Vlorsutes, Lord of Stuff wrote:
rdmcandie wrote:
Vlor should nuke his own post for directing people to the windower site. Bad form zam overlord.



That's always been how we approach those sorts of topics though, so it's not like it's anything new. Any topic just asking about the logistics or morality behind using Windower, just general comments involving it (like someone mentioning they use windower or that they take screenshots with windower or things like that), but if someone's asking for technical advice regarding it, then we say for them to go to the Windower forum instead.

That's not true. You (plural) used to flip your sh*t if people brought up windower.

What do you mean, "You (plural)"?!
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Vlor should nuke his own post for directing people to the windower site. Bad form zam overlord.



That's always been how we approach those sorts of topics though, so it's not like it's anything new. Any topic just asking about the logistics or morality behind using Windower, just general comments involving it (like someone mentioning they use windower or that they take screenshots with windower or things like that), but if someone's asking for technical advice regarding it, then we say for them to go to the Windower forum instead.

That's not true. You (plural) used to flip your sh*t if people brought up windower.

What do you mean, "You (plural)"?!

What do you mean, "You (plural)"?! Smiley: mad
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Vlor should nuke his own post for directing people to the windower site. Bad form zam overlord.

That's always been how we approach those sorts of topics though, so it's not like it's anything new. Any topic just asking about the logistics or morality behind using Windower, just general comments involving it (like someone mentioning they use windower or that they take screenshots with windower or things like that), but if someone's asking for technical advice regarding it, then we say for them to go to the Windower forum instead.

That's not true. You (plural) used to flip your sh*t if people brought up windower.

Now he just flips his sh*t about necroposts.
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Chew is being a lot more level-headed regarding the whole issue, which is strange because he's probably drunk.
#41 Jul 30 2012 at 5:45 PM Rating: Decent
People..who don't look at the OP's date... lulz
This is me +1ing here.
I also, to stay on topic, use windower and some of the add-ons. Makes FFXI better.
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Nilatai wrote:
Aliekber wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Vlorsutes, Lord of Stuff wrote:
rdmcandie wrote:
Vlor should nuke his own post for directing people to the windower site. Bad form zam overlord.



That's always been how we approach those sorts of topics though, so it's not like it's anything new. Any topic just asking about the logistics or morality behind using Windower, just general comments involving it (like someone mentioning they use windower or that they take screenshots with windower or things like that), but if someone's asking for technical advice regarding it, then we say for them to go to the Windower forum instead.

That's not true. You (plural) used to flip your sh*t if people brought up windower.

What do you mean, "You (plural)"?!

What do you mean, "You (plural)"?! Smiley: mad

Whuy Oi awtuh...

Chewzer wrote:
Now he just flips his sh*t about necroposts.

He's really mellowed out lately, it's a lot harder to get his Smiley: goat
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Reiterpallasch wrote:
Glitterhands wrote:
Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
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