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#27 Oct 13 2015 at 12:31 PM Rating: Good
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Him: You know, I think gamer gaters are so rabid about attacking their perceived enemies (that is, random strangers on the Internet) because they're afraid if they don't, no one will make games with boobies in them any more.

While I generally think the whole GG thing is a trolltastic farse belched out from the underbowels of 4chan, I do find some irony that in their alleged crusade against SJWs they've basically become the monsters they hate with a different coat of paint.

For example, for those who follow recent anime, Funimation did a dubcast of Prison School. Totally a NSFW show, by the way. Anyway, localization of a line that took place in an arcade between a guy and a girl had the girl saying, "You aren't one of those Gamergate creep shows, are you?" and as one might surmise, they were bashing the actress who spoke it, writers, Funimation, and ultimately throwing one giant hissy fit in comment sections, twitter, etc.. Knowing of a lot of the doxxing, sl*t shaming, harassment, and other sad behavior that went on when the movement was more at its peak, the line doesn't at all seem out of place in the overall context of the scene.

The whole ethics in journalism thing might've been the one good cause some of the more sane people tried to wrest from it all, but it's hard to shake the feeling it all just began for the lulz. Otherwise, they're no real different than Republicans having the nutjob sect of the Tea Party or whatever other undesirables a group may have.
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#28 Oct 13 2015 at 12:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Funimation did a dubcast of Prison School. Totally a NSFW show, by the way..


Never would have guessed Smiley: lol

What is it with Japan and the obsession with schools anyway
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#29 Oct 13 2015 at 1:41 PM Rating: Excellent
Hmmm....

Obsession with schools.... Lolita styles... Super boobs and hips... Tentacles....

Yeah, go ahead and call me a prude, but there is a serious sexual undercurrent in the anime artistic style. I don't find it healthy, but whatever. I also love football and therefore condone brain injuries.
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#33 Oct 13 2015 at 1:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Seriha wrote:
Funimation did a dubcast of Prison School. Totally a NSFW show, by the way..


Never would have guessed Smiley: lol

What is it with Japan and the obsession with schools anyway


As someone who largely grew up in Japan, it has to do with the fact for many people elementary - highschool is the last bit of "freedom" you have and unlike the west largely, there's far more traditions/school activities in highschool in comparison so once you enter the "real world", you'll always look back fondly, which is why slice of life/school anime is the most popular. While you'll have memories in any part of the globe, Japanese society is a bit more..cutthroat and "I must do my part" which is why it also has a higher suicide rate and such. Bit of a dark element, but that's largely why Japan is "obsessed" with it, at least where I grew up and with the people in the industry I've worked with always mentions a lot of artists and writers enjoy.
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Damn that's bleak
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Hmmm....

Obsession with schools.... Lolita styles... Super boobs and hips... Tentacles....

Yeah, go ahead and call me a prude, but there is a serious sexual undercurrent in the anime artistic style. I don't find it healthy, but whatever. I also love football and therefore condone brain injuries.


It all screams of extreme repression
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#36 Oct 13 2015 at 2:10 PM Rating: Good
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Never really understood the loli and tentacle tropes, myself. Probably better I try not to. (Hyper)Sexualization has otherwise existed all throughout history across most cultures. Nowadays art forms are also better about depicting them, particularly through animation. Granted, different cultures may put different emphasis on what's sexy, like a favoring of the Rubenesque look back in the day compared to the supermodel image of now, but the former also usually carried a financial connotation in that the family is well off via being well fed.

But yeah, part of this is just pandering to lonely nerds who would have a hard time seeing a real boob. I don't think there's anything intrinsically wrong with that, either. Some people just obviously want to play dress up and that's more fun if your base is a Barbie doll instead of a wicked stepsister. I frequently see some complain that men don't get pigeonholed, but I'm going to disagree. Plenty of freakishly buff representations out there across media or even the prettyboy types. Yeah, they may not run around in a sling bikini, but you also seriously can't throw clothes that have acquired a reputation for being feminine onto a guy and expect them to not look off.
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Kind of like how it blew people's minds to see women's ankles/legs and that was considered "oversexualized." With gaming it never bothers me because it's a game, yeah you'll attract some certain kinds of people, but eh. In the long run that's why I stray away from the RP aspect of online games because it just furthers the attachment level you have to virtual characters. Nothing wrong with it but that's partly why a lot of MMOs get 'oversexualized', especially if you actually allow freedom in character customization.

The loli thing is kind of a weird situation in general, because europe and western asia were the ones in the earlier days that actually produced tv shows and movies (not ****) that involved either kids loving each other or 'forbidden' love where someone older, say 17 is in love with an 11 year old and you actually see nudity and such. It's just Japan is more of a popular target because it still continues into the modern day through anime/manga. I never understood it myself though.
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I think this sexualization is really just drawing people away from the gameplay lol I'm going to go out of my way to make the most normal chick I can. I will show them! I'LL SHOW THEM ALL!
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I was able to make perfectly normal-looking female characters that don't knock themselves unconscious when they run.
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#40 Oct 14 2015 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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I think this sexualization is really just drawing people away from the gameplay lol I'm going to go out of my way to make the most normal chick I can. I will show them! I'LL SHOW THEM ALL!

To be fair, unless someone's inclined to seek out the foreign version, we can't really discuss gameplay outside of videos. Being cynical, I don't expect much outside of the usual MMO fare. I'm seeing myself just playing a character to cap for the experience of it and then moving on to whatever else. Then again, I couldn't bring myself to get past 50 in Tera simply because the leveling structure was too grindy and generic at the time.
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To be fair, unless someone's inclined to seek out the foreign version, we can't really discuss gameplay outside of videos. Being cynical, I don't expect much outside of the usual MMO fare. I'm seeing myself just playing a character to cap for the experience of it and then moving on to whatever else. Then again, I couldn't bring myself to get past 50 in Tera simply because the leveling structure was too grindy and generic at the time.


I've played the English Russian version and tried the warrior and assassin. The gameplay revolves around attacking with reaction abilities that do different thjngs based on the enemy condition, ie: knocked down or stunned. It's fun because the animation for the attacks makes them feel powerful. Questing is your typical mmo trope and you unlock abilities by completing class specific quests that also teach you how to use them.

Probably my favorite part is that you stats are all from your weapon and your armor is just for show. So uou can look however you like without affecting your play.
#42 Oct 14 2015 at 1:51 PM Rating: Excellent
Oh, so THAT explains the abundance of cloth armor and chainmail bikinis! j/k

That's actually the direction that XIV originally wanted to go in early concepts. The weapon is still a main driving force in XIV - it controls class, and class changes are done solely by changing the weapon. But I think they realized that it's not an FF game without gear stats, so they just used a simplified version of the stat min-max we had in XI.

I played through like a third of my first final fantasy game without realizing that I could change equipment on my characters. Oops.
#43 Oct 14 2015 at 1:52 PM Rating: Excellent
Edit: This double post was my fault. I clicked it once, didn't get any response or see any indication that my message was being sent, and clicked it again like a dummy.

Edited, Oct 14th 2015 3:55pm by Catwho
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It's not a bad design, my only gripe is in the long term you'll literally see everyone using the same weapon. As far as I know there isn't a transmog/glamour system for that, but then again it may just give them a reason to design multiple weapons with the same stats just so you choose your favorite.

I don't think the game is going to get as deeply into the customization you can achieve in FF but at the same time if the gameplay is fun then I think people will be able to overlook it.
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As far as I know there isn't a transmog/glamour system for that


There is.

Even if there weren't, by far the most notable feature of any character is their outfit, not their weapon. Possibly excepting the destroyer. The massive war axe is tough to miss.

My understanding is that at endgame you aren't ALWAYS using your hongmoon weapon.
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As far as I know there isn't a transmog/glamour system for that


There is.

Even if there weren't, by far the most notable feature of any character is their outfit, not their weapon. Possibly excepting the destroyer. The massive war axe is tough to miss.

My understanding is that at endgame you aren't ALWAYS using your hongmoon weapon.



Oh thats good, I haven't looked into much beyond the first 20 levels. The russian server was laaaaggy. And yeah I meant destroyer. Mine was 9 feet tall and amazing.
#47 Oct 15 2015 at 5:37 PM Rating: Good
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And now I'm in the Alpha testing this weekend. I'll be streaming it on saturday/sunday at 6PM (PST).

If you wanna watch/interact come join me :D

http://www.twitch.tv/chesderman


No promises on the stability of the game, but maybe I can show off some features.
#48 Oct 16 2015 at 2:26 PM Rating: Decent
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I never understood the "oversexualisation" argument from people that play XI or XIV, both of these games are heavily sexualised and filled with fan service.

Almost every MMO does this.

I was looking forward to trying blade and soul too, I'm guessing you have to pay to be in the alpha right now? If so is there a date when free access opens up?
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I was looking forward to trying blade and soul too, I'm guessing you have to pay to be in the alpha right now? If so is there a date when free access opens up?


The technical alpha going on this weekend is open to anyone who purchased a founder's pack prior to this weekend as well as some streamers and content creators. Closed beta starts on the 29th of October. Selections for that will be anyone with a founder's pack as well as random selections among those people subscribed to their newsletter (on their site). The game launches as a free to play product sometime in Q1 2016.
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#50 Oct 16 2015 at 3:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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I never understood the "oversexualisation" argument from people that play XI or XIV, both of these games are heavily sexualised and filled with fan service.

Almost every MMO does this.

I was looking forward to trying blade and soul too, I'm guessing you have to pay to be in the alpha right now? If so is there a date when free access opens up?


XIV's "smexy" characters have normal human proportions and the NPCs generally wear attire suitable for their location. The dancers in Ul'dah wear skimpy clothes because they're dancers. The prostitutes in places like Limsa or Costa del Sol are a bit more modestly dressed; the ones in the Gold Bazaar are even wearing pants.

XIV's character design limits you to creating characters of a uniform body shape, with unfortunate flat butts and a bust slider that won't go above a certain size (and doesn't even work for Lalafells at all.)

XIV is sexualized. It's a mature game dealing with mature themes, and grown ups have nooky. Heavensward was about three children born out of wedlock, when you get down to it.

But it's not oversexualized. I can cover my cat girl up with inch thick plate armor if I want. Or I can wear practical, comfortable looking leggings and tunics that isn't skin tight and painted on. Or I can wear a skimpy plate metal bikini. It's a design decision that I respect and enjoy, because I have full control over my own modesty.

You don't realize that the NPCs are prostitutes until you get up close and hear them soliciting other NPCs for a good time. Or if you talk to them directly, they speak in euphenisms. ("So you wish to see me dance? Then first you must show me your coin.")

The outfits I've seen for Blade and Soul? Even the most "modest" outfits are too tight and revealing or have weird cutouts that don't make sense for the armor type. (See the XIV community's whining about female DRG AF's infamous belly window. SE crossed the line there and we aren't going to let them forget it.)


Edited, Oct 16th 2015 5:47pm by Catwho
#51 Oct 16 2015 at 3:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Some people are sensitive about it to the point you'd think it takes them 5 hours to get ready before they leave the house. This game has so many options as far as customization that it's not like you're stuck looking a certain way. If you don't like it, don't create it kinda thing.

I don't think they've given an exact date on when the game will open up. SE is SE, but most other companies have figured out that testing is important enough to let it rock until you've gleaned everything you can from it to avoid issues.
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