Anyone going to see Fahrenheit 9/11??Follow

And I heard that this film is the only film to have received a 20 minute standing ovation at the Cannes Film Festival. Thats only what the trailer says... so I dunno how true that is.

If you've got a film running that does *nothing* but level clever seeming but really bogus claims at one of them

Which ones are the bogus claims? Honestly, I'd like to know since you seem so informed about the film. I assume you did your own research and came to this conclusion and didn't let someone who levels clever seeming but really bogus claims at it influence you.

Right? You're much to savy for that sort of thing.

A small sample of some of Dubya's accomplishments... and your embarassed about clinton? I wouldn't have gotten in bed with Hillary either... tho I wouldn't have gotten in bed with Monica >< Also sorry so long but I felt it was necessary.



Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union. Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog ridden city in America. Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money. Set record for most executions by any Governor in American history.

Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my fathers appointments to the Supreme Court.

Attacked and took over two countries.

Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.

Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.

Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.

Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.

First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.

After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.

Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.

In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.

Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.

Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.

Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.

Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.

Signed more laws and executive orders circumventing the Constitution than any president in US history.

Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.

Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/)

Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleezza Rice has an Chevron oil tanker named after her).

Had more states to simultaneously go bankrupt than any president in the history of the United States.

Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.

Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.

Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.

First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.

First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.

Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.

Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

Withdrew from the World Court of Law.

Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).

All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).

Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.

First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)

First US president to establish a secret shadow government.

Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).

With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.

Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.

Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.

Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.

Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capitol building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.

In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.

Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.

In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.

Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.





Edited, Sat Jun 26 17:22:16 2004 by bko

I'm not going to bother. Every president gets a "list" generated for him. They are all full of half truths and a liberal twisting of the facts.

I'll see if I can dig up Clinton's. IIRC, it focused on Whitewater, his numerous affairs, and the huge nuber of "ysterous deaths" that occured to various past business associates.

It's all fun and all, but pretty meaningless for a serious discussion.

Whitewater? What the heck was wrong with whitewater? According to the investigation, no evidence was found - I repeat, NO EVIDENCE, was found that would support that the Clinton's did anything wrong. In fact, they lost money on this investment. This report also cost the US taxpayers over $60 million to investigate and the special prosecutor came up with a big fat zero. The only scandalous thing about this report dealt with his sexual indiscretions with Lewinsky 20 years after the whitewater investment.

What mysterious death are you talking about? Vince Foster? That was investigated as well and you know what? Nothing ever came up to support that his death was anything but a suicide.

Bush, on the other hand - let's see - the only successul business investment he ever made was basically when he was an owner of the Texas Rangers. Why was he successful in this venture? The local government built this team a new stadium - using taxpayer money. He was a business partner/owner of several oil companies in Texas that basically went belly up because they couldn't find any oil. The only reason why he made any money from these business partnerships was because when the companies were about to go bankrupt, he would get mysterious funding - possibly funding Saudi Arabian investment money - to buy the companies out.

Why hasn't there been a special prosecutor assigned to go over Bush's sale of Harken energy stock? He was a chairman of the Harken board and he sold $848,000 worth of stock, presumably after he saw a memo that the company was going to report huge losses. He also received a memo from the Harken lawyers stating that it was not be wise for any board member to sell any stock - presumably because that would be considered insider trading. Oh wait, I know why he was never fully investigated! It was because his daddy was president of the US then, and that makes GWB special and beyond the laws of the US apparently.



Edited, Sat Jun 26 19:14:12 2004 by kundalini

hehe I got so worked up I didn't even answer the oringal question. In Vermont only two theaters are playing F911 with no advanced tickets. We showed up at 7:15 to buy tickets for the 9 showing. It was sold out. We asked how quickly it sold out. They told us that their earlier show (tickets on sale at 5 show at 6) Sold out in 10 mins and all the people that didn't get tickets sate through till 7 and that showing sold out again in 10 minutes. We will try to go to a midweek showing but I was really disapointed, after recently reading Dude Wheres My Country.

Also I do beleive that we should always question our source of information and moore is known to skew the facts and put spin on things but for the most part I think what he has to say is true and he works hard to get his point across to people. There are MANY radio shows that provide plenty of spin for the right half its good to see a little spin on the left as well.

Oooh, don't forget a few other things.

Dubya was arrested twice in Texas, each time selling over 3 kilos of cocaine. Each time is over a life sentence in prison. Must be nice to have daddy at the head of the CIA.

Dubya's wife has a hit and run under her belt, again, no jail time, or any criminal reprecussions.

His first company was Montgomery electric, whose primary investor was Samiid Bin Laden. Osama's brother.

The Bush family holds the majority of the offshore oil refineries from which we get our oil. Refineries set oil prices, not the rather worthless barrels of crude oil (10$ is the current price for a 50 gallon drum of oil).

Bush began systematically erasing his family's financial history after the 25+ year business relationship was discovered between himself and Osama Bin Laden.

To get an idea of how badly he's increased the national debt: when he walke dinto office, every single person in the USA could've paid 5$ and the majority of the debt would've been paid. That 5$ has grown to over 30000$.

Claims that there are no religious reasonings behind his political actions, and yet is quoted multiple times for saying such things as "God is on OUR side."

Then there are some others which are more interesting and funny...

GWB has spent multiple nights in drunk tanks for his alcoholism.

He recently saw his appointed supreme justices pass a law nationally that allows people to be arrested for not giving their name if a police officer asks it. Even if the person is just walking down the street. This was done in an effort to aide in profiling.

He called for profiling to be used in schools to help eliminate "potential threats."

One of his first acts as president was to help reinstate the ancient Alien Sedition Act, which, from the 1800s, allowed someone to be imprisoned on the sole basis of saying something a politician didn't like. Oh, and that's without a trial.

Is quoted as stating that the war on terrorism does not fall under the Geneva convention, so prisoners have no rights.

He got his butt kicked by a pretzel.

He is a member of the Skull and Bones, a secret society which existed at Yale. The society's liniage goes directly back to the Society of Thule, an ancient German society responsible for spawning the **** party.

He is the only Governer in American history to have the death penalty enforced on the mentally handicapped.

His grandfather made multiple campaign contributions to the **** party.

There's millions more. Got to love our president.

Sorry to say but both these statments are totally false. Texas limits the governers powers, especially on executions. So GWB had no power to aid or stop any executions in the state for any reason. You may also want to consider that Texas governors are the weakest governors of any state, so the facts you get from him running Texas may be from things he had no power over.

Edited, Sun Jun 27 01:25:20 2004 by dirges

lol

I guess in all my knuckleheadedness I must have forgot that some of these things may not be important to other people. Some people may not care that he has removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history. I forgot how something as silly as that could be put in the same catagory as having the last name bush. How silly of me. I suppose if these things are in the same catagory for you then maybr Bush is the president for you!

For me he is not. Some of those factoids are silly but did you actually *read* them all? Honestly you can tell me he is doing a good job?? What about Bin Laden? Why is he still alive. If his war on terror is sooo succesful and he is doing such a great job why is the person that killed so many people on 9/11 still alive?

This is EXACTLY why presidents should be able to server MORE than 2 terms. We need Clinton back. Seriously. Who the **** cares about monica lwinsky and him, he was a great president. I say let his personal life be HIS OWN not ours.

Edited, Sun Jun 27 15:43:14 2004 by Aygen

Pissed off as you may be after seeing it, you probably would walk out of that theatre with more of a reason NOT to vote for Bush.

"I guess in all my knuckleheadedness I must have forgot that some of these things may not be important to other people. Some people may not care that he has removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history..." --bko

So bko, you would say Bush has done more damage to personal freedoms than any other president? Really? Are you sure you want to stick by that assertion?

I suppose you have no problem then with third, fourth, and fifth generation Japanese-American citizens being rounded up and being placed in internment camps then. I suppose you believe FBI Director Hoover had less power than Ashcroft does now. I suppose you think McCarthy was simply misunderstood. And these are just recent examples. I haven't even gotten into pre-1900 judicial procesees that were sanctioned by sitting presidents or Manifest Destiny being used as an excuse for land grabs.

Please, stop with the hyperbole and take a long hard look at reality. Your Chicken Little routine just makes you look out and out silly.

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