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#27 Aug 07 2004 at 8:24 PM Rating: Decent
The whole point of this topic was to prove that North America doesn't care about the well being of people. I'm not complaning about my well being..i know i'm a little over weight i accept that.

i'm talking about the people who really need help. People in depression can't do much for themselves because they have already lost hope. And your thinking "all they have to do is eat less and excersize more" well to an over weight person who is suffering from depression thats easier said then done. Ofcourse really the best way to lose weight is by the normal "eat less exercise more".

Why should every product that makes us people feel better or that help be so expensive. Weight Loss, Quit Smoking, Medicines etc....

Smoking is also a problem. Notice how the ciggarette prices keep increasing. They do this because they know people are addicted to smoking and they want profit off of it. So while these "people" (I.e the product manufactures) make all the money profit they are destroying some one life to make a couple of extra dollars.

#28 Aug 08 2004 at 12:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Play Dance Dance Revlutions!!!!!!!!

Edited, Sun Aug 8 01:27:37 2004 by Nachopope
#29 Aug 08 2004 at 12:38 AM Rating: Decent
I was also going to say DDR... LOL!

Actually though, I'm skinny, 120lbs. skinny to be exact, but not from DDR. DDR made me gain 5 pounds and then I noticed one day I lost it so meh.

AFAIK, the right diet can really make a difference, but I've never had to research a diet or anything so I really don't know if XXXXXX diet works for everyone or if a certain diet is better for different people.

And, since I can't seem to gain weight (all anyone tells me is to eat more meat.... it can't be that simple since I have been and it's done nothing), so I say weight GAIN is BS!

I find my own post to be 14.58% helpful.
#30 Aug 08 2004 at 1:40 AM Rating: Decent
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laziness is the key here folks. i used to have a bit of a belly, nothing much but it was enough to make me feel bad. so i wanted to do something about it.
i tell you what i'm one lazy ****. one of the main reasons i lost weight was because i was too lazy to get something to eat unless i couldn't concentrate on sleeping or playing computer games. and then when i did eat or drink, i was smart enough to realize i needed something healthy because i probably wouldn't eat for a while. and i failed health twice.
so it doesn't take much brains to eat healthy, and laziness, which probably is the source of some obesity, can be the key to weight loss.
that's all i got. i'm out.
#31 Aug 08 2004 at 5:24 AM Rating: Decent
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The whole point of this topic was to prove that North America doesn't care about the well being of people. I'm not complaning about my well being..i know i'm a little over weight i accept that.



You are absolutely correct. North America doesn't give a rat's bunghole about anyone's well being, but that's pretty common for a land mass.

Your gripe is with the weight loss business. Take note here of the word BUSINESS. These people are in it for the money. If they actually suceed in helping everyone lose weight they'd put themselves out of business, thus they are not really in it to help you. They are in it to give you just enough hope that their methods work that you will keep paying for them.

#32 Aug 08 2004 at 9:37 AM Rating: Default
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Ummm well let's see.

3500 calories = 1 pound
150 calories x 365 days= 54750 Calories
54750 Calories / 3500 = 15.64 pounds

Geez at least use a calculator when you have absolutely no idea what your talking about. Maybe someone will actually believe you put some effort into your statement.


You'll notice the word "about" in my post indicating that I wasn't saying it was exaclty 10 pounds. You know like where you got your 3500 number?

There aren't 3500 calories in a pound, you ignrant pednatic *******, there are about 3500 calories in a pound.

Maybe someone will actually believe you if you don't state estimates as absolutes.

Probably not, though.



And just how many people that are 100 pounds overweight can go out and run a mile?


Um all of them?

Who's 100 pounds overweight that can't run or walk a mile?


And how many people who weigh 200 pounds need to lose 100 FRIGGIN pounds?!?!


Most people need to loose probably 40 pounds.



100 pounds = 350,000 calories
350000 calories / 365 days = 958.9 calories per day dropped from diet.


Yeah, again with the estimates as exact figures. 958.9 when there aren't 3500 calories in a pound?

Good going, start with an inexact figure, perform some second grade math on it and get to an exact figure!

Good thikning, genius.



Have your ever seen what an almost 1000 calorie per day diet restriction can do to most people?


Cause them to loose wieght?



It's usually restricted to certain individuals with extreme obesity (i.e. BMI >30) or overweight individuals with medical complicatons (i.e. diabetes, high cholesterol, and high blood pressure. In addition they need to be monitored by a Physician.
That being said, you got your education via MTV right? Try this link. Maybe it will


It's ussually something that requires willpower.

That's about the biggest adverse efffect. No one's going to die from eating 1000 less calories a day. In fact there's not a single study that shows a negative long term effect from prolonged low calorie intake for weight loss.

Not one.

The government's a good source to use. Remember to drink your 4 glasses of Milk, because the mild lobby pays a lot of money for it to be healthy, even thgough it's essentialy fat and water.

There's a trusted source for medical information if ever there was one.

The reality is, eating less is what leads to weight loss. Running a marathon a day won't cause you to loose wieght if you're eating enough to make up for the calories you burn.

Considering how few calories you actually burn through exercise, most people won't loose weight from doing it.

Everyone will losse weight from eating less.

There are lots of other reasons to excersize, but it has little to nothing to do with weight loss.
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#33 Aug 08 2004 at 11:08 AM Rating: Decent
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People are fat and lazy and people profit off of it (junk food, expensive treatments)
People are stupid and have zero taste, and people profit off of it (soap opera's, "most" mainstream media in general)

Boo frigging hoo, people are scumbags and only the sun shines for free.
Bad people crush your willpower? ;_;
If you let them crush it, but something that is crushed by mere "other" people isn't something I'd call "power" anyway.
It used to be a mainly NA thing, but now i see more and more overly fat kids here too, damn lazy parenting ><

I got teased because I was scrawny, I went to gyms and did a lot of sports, now I at least have *some* mass on me (I still weigh about as much as a girl in my age group though ^^;)

Don't let the corporate swish swash get to you, before all this tv-shop crap people sometimes did succeed in losing weight y'know.
But, in a slightly more positive note, sometimes the obese person isn't the sole cause of his or her own problems, for example lazy parents feeding their kids junkfood, and thus creating patterns for them, it's very discomforting. (Heh, to think of the tortures I indured to make me eat my veggies XD)
#34 Aug 08 2004 at 11:44 AM Rating: Decent
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The whole point of this topic was to prove that North America doesn't care about the well being of people. I'm not complaning about my well being..i know i'm a little over weight i accept that.

North America represents over 400 million people. Careful with your little brush.
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i'm talking about the people who really need help. People in depression can't do much for themselves because they have already lost hope. And your thinking "all they have to do is eat less and excersize more" well to an over weight person who is suffering from depression thats easier said then done. Ofcourse really the best way to lose weight is by the normal "eat less exercise more".

If they can't help themselves, then who can?
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Why should every product that makes us people feel better or that help be so expensive. Weight Loss, Quit Smoking, Medicines etc....

A concept called "supply and demand". Plus the recent technology of safely administering hormone and other drugs through a skin applied patch is rather new. New technology's are expensive at first to help pay for the research and development costs. The market for harming oneself through dangerous inhalation of burning biological material has been around for many centuary's. The market for helping oneself move away from that dangerous activity is just getting started, by the dreaded North Americans no doubt. These products are still fairly unheard of in most other parts of the world.
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Smoking is also a problem. Notice how the ciggarette prices keep increasing. They do this because they know people are addicted to smoking and they want profit off of it. So while these "people" (I.e the product manufactures) make all the money profit they are destroying some one life to make a couple of extra dollars.

The facts behind this may be more than the tobacco company's are forced to raise prices merely for the fact they are being unlawfully sued for literally billions of dollars for people's own personal self-negligence. Those dollars lost have to be recouped. And the added fact is that our government loves to raise taxes on human vice, which to me, is not necessarily a bad thing.

Bottom line:
You are free, be it.
#35 Aug 08 2004 at 1:29 PM Rating: Decent
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you can look it up somewhere im sure. thats why cigarettes are nearly five dollars in illinois.

Edited, Sun Aug 8 14:30:40 2004 by bKehlin
#36 Aug 08 2004 at 3:58 PM Rating: Decent
Two words: Go Vegan!
#37 Aug 08 2004 at 5:25 PM Rating: Decent
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You want to lose weight? I know how that is - first of all - don't go jogging or running if you are overweight as someone mentioned before - it will really hurt your knees and back - you always got to start slow with walking first and build up some endurance.

Try walking 10 minutes a day for a few days, then up it to 15, a few days later, 20 and then gradually build up to 30. One easy way to walk more is if you drive to a store, don't look for a stall close to the entrance, park the furthest away that you can and walk.

Heck, if even walking is hard for you, and you can afford it, get a cheap exercise bike, or eliptical machine - for a really low impact workout - if you do go that route, look up some reviews online on them and try them out at the store first to make sure that the resistance level will be high enough for you.

Then add a basic weight routine - you won't need to be thin to start building up your muscles - don't want to join a gym? Don't! Get some exercise videos. You can find some for really cheap at discount stores like Ross. Heck - last night I got 6 exercise and yoga videos for $30 at Ross - yea! If you don't mind spening a little bit more for videos, try the Firm videos - I really have found them to be the most effective ones out there - for me at least.

If you are willing to spend $50 on bogus pills that say you will lost weight - then you can spend $50 on some basic free weights or videos.

The other thing to do is just eat less - sounds basic, but it is what works. You don't want to starve yourself - but don't go for seconds either.
#38 Aug 08 2004 at 8:52 PM Rating: Decent
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fat people complain they are fat
they want help.. you try to help them and they complain..
ohh its not so easy oh this oh that
just STFU and do it


great thing i have a fast metabolism ( spelling ) no worrys about putting on weight.. ive been slim all my life and i eat like a pig =)


also knowing when to stop eating will help you fat people out alot
#39 Aug 09 2004 at 12:50 AM Rating: Decent
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You'll notice the word "about" in my post indicating that I wasn't saying it was exaclty 10 pounds. You know like where you got your 3500 number?


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There aren't 3500 calories in a pound, you ignrant pednatic *******, there are about 3500 calories in a pound.”


Ohhhhhh... I see. So

3500 calories = about 1 pound
150 calories x 365 days= EXACTLY 54750 Calories
54750 Calories / about 3500 = about 15.64 pounds

Whew, I’m so glad you straightened me out on that one!!!

Okay so...Here are some facts:
A calorie is defined as the amount of energy required to raise the temperature of water (at one atmosphere) one degree Celsius.
One fat gram = 9 Calories
One Pound = 453.592 grams
453.592 Grams X 9 Calories = 4082.328 Calories

Oh wait!!! I said 3500 calories didn’t I?

Why the discrepancy? Because your talking about adipose tissue or fat tissue in the body. Adipose tissue breaks down to about 7.7 calories per gram because of other cellular tissue that makes up fat cells. The left over is cellular carbohydrate, protein, and water. So yes 3500 is an estimate. How does that make any difference other than to prove you are still wrong?

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If you’re going to be ostentatious at least learn how to spell properly. And *******? Tsk tsk.


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Who's 100 pounds overweight that can't run or walk a mile?


Walk? Well some can and some can’t. Of course I’m just estimating. Run? I bet YOU can’t. Put 100 pounds on your back and show us what a stud you are. After all if they can you must be able to.

Well, you may be right on the 40-pound weight loss. I wouldn’t know. It’s not like your showing any actual facts or figures to back it up.

Oh yeah and that wasn’t second grade math. It was at least third. Because I’m always
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thikning
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In fact there's not a single study that shows a negative long term effect from prolonged low calorie intake for weight loss
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Actually there are hundreds. Here are two of them. Take these to any Librarian and they can help you look them up:

Garner, D.M. (1997). Psychoeducational principles in the treatment of eating disorders. In: Handbook for Treatment of Eating Disorders. (145-177). D.M. Garner & P.E. Garfinkel (Eds). New York, NY: Guilford Press.

Pirke, K. M., & Ploog, D. (1987). Biology of human starvation. In P. J. V. Beumont, G. D. Burrows, & R. C. Casper (Eds.), Handbook of eating disorders: Part 1 Anorexia and bulimia nervosa (pp. 79-102). New York: Elsevier.

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The government's a good source to use...There's a trusted source for medical information if ever there was one.


What is your source? A CrackerJack box? Who do you think funds all this?

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Everyone will losse weight from eating less.


Yes, if done properly.


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There are lots of other reasons to excersize, but it has little to nothing to do with weight loss.


Again, where do you get this information? Since you decided to ridicule me on "estimating vs absolutes" how about showing me some absolutes? Ah well… I think I’m wasting my time.

I see what is going to happen here. You are going to throw a tantrum and then come back with a bunch of useless drivel and tactless name calling to prove your point.
That's okay though. After all you have 10688 posts under your belt. I have less than 20.
Go get em tiger!!!

Oh... Wait... I see now... Guess I should have read the disclaimer:

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I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth


Silly me...

Edited, Mon Aug 9 01:54:01 2004 by WayOfLife
#40 Aug 09 2004 at 9:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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Abbr. cal Any of several approximately equal units of heat, each measured as the quantity of heat required to raise the temperature of 1 gram of water by 1°C from a standard initial temperature, especially from 3.98°C, 14.5°C, or 19.5°C, at 1 atmosphere pressure. Also called gram calorie, small calorie.
Abbr. cal The unit of heat equal to 1/100 the quantity of heat required to raise the temperature of 1 gram of water from 0 to 100°C at 1 atmosphere pressure. Also called mean calorie.

Abbr. Cal The unit of heat equal to the amount of heat required to raise the temperature of 1 kilogram of water by 1°C at 1 atmosphere pressure. Also called kilocalorie, kilogram calorie, large calorie.
A unit of energy-producing potential equal to this amount of heat that is contained in food and released upon oxidation by the body. Also called nutritionist's calorie.


Thought I may put that in there, since Calorie and calorie are different measures.
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#41 Aug 09 2004 at 9:50 AM Rating: Default
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Ohhhhhh... I see. So

3500 calories = about 1 pound
150 calories x 365 days= EXACTLY 54750 Calories
54750 Calories / about 3500 = about 15.64 pounds

Whew, I’m so glad you straightened me out on that one!!!

Okay so...Here are some facts:
A calorie is defined as the amount of energy required to raise the temperature of water (at one atmosphere) one degree Celsius.
One fat gram = 9 Calories
One Pound = 453.592 grams
453.592 Grams X 9 Calories = 4082.328 Calories

Oh wait!!! I said 3500 calories didn’t I?

Why the discrepancy? Because your talking about adipose tissue or fat tissue in the body. Adipose tissue breaks down to about 7.7 calories per gram because of other cellular tissue that makes up fat cells. The left over is cellular carbohydrate, protein, and water. So yes 3500 is an estimate. How does that make any difference other than to prove you are still wrong?


It makes the diffrence that we were both wrong in presicely the same way.

The critical diffrence is that I qualified an estimate by using the word "about" and you presented it as an exact figure. That means while I was accurate in my represntation, you were arrogant and mistaken in yours.

To sum up, I was right, and you were wrong.



If you’re going to be ostentatious at least learn how to spell properly. And *******? Tsk tsk.


I'm really not certain you have a good understanding of what the word "ostentatious" means. Did you just arbitrarily throw it in there to add sylables to argument?

It doesn't seem to make any sense at all in context. You may as well have said "perspicaious".



Walk? Well some can and some can’t. Of course I’m just estimating. Run? I bet YOU can’t. Put 100 pounds on your back and show us what a stud you are. After all if they can you must be able to.


Sure I could. I have run with an 80 pound pack dozens of times and I'm probably 20 pounds overweight, maybe more.



Well, you may be right on the 40-pound weight loss. I wouldn’t know. It’s not like your showing any actual facts or figures to back it up.


I could make some up like you, if you'd like.

Here you go

http://www.coolissues.com/gravitation/gwaves.htm

That proves I'm right.


Oh yeah and that wasn’t second grade math. It was at least third. Because I’m always


Ending sentances improprerly?


. What is that? First grade spelling?


No, it's dyslexia. Allthough, I'm fairly certain your implication is that spelling equates with intelligence, in which case it's clear that you are as smart as a word processor. Kudos!



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In fact there's not a single study that shows a negative long term effect from prolonged low calorie intake for weight loss
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Actually there are hundreds. Here are two of them. Take these to any Librarian and they can help you look them up:

Garner, D.M. (1997). Psychoeducational principles in the treatment of eating disorders. In: Handbook for Treatment of Eating Disorders. (145-177). D.M. Garner & P.E. Garfinkel (Eds). New York, NY: Guilford Press.

Pirke, K. M., & Ploog, D. (1987). Biology of human starvation. In P. J. V. Beumont, G. D. Burrows, & R. C. Casper (Eds.), Handbook of eating disorders: Part 1 Anorexia and bulimia nervosa (pp. 79-102). New York: Elsevier.


I realize your reasoning skills are clearly grossly sub-par, but surely, not even you are so stunningly ingorant and pathetically desperate to equate a low calorie dieet with an eating disorder.

I mean you can't be so emotionally crippled that you're going to make a ludicrous leap of illogic to equate the two to try and save face in a petty message board argument that you're loosing so horribly.

Why not just get it over with and link pictures of concentration camp victims and use them as an example of a low calorie diet?


What is your source? A CrackerJack box? Who do you think funds all this?


Oh, I don't know, independant peer reviewed medical journals maybe?

Call me crazy!!

You're right, though, we should trust the high scientific standards of the orginzatino that tell us smoking pot will make kids run each over blow each other away.

The sterling credentials of the people who bru=ought us "Reefer Madness" and declared ketchup a vegtable.



Yes, if done properly.


It's sort of hard to do it improperly. If your goal is weigh less, eating less is the method.


Again, where do you get this information? Since you decided to ridicule me on "estimating vs absolutes" how about showing me some absolutes? Ah well… I think I’m wasting my time.


Sure, here's an absolute. If I'm eating 500 calories and gaining weight, burning 300 calories extra per day will mean I'm still gaining way.

QED, I win. Thanks for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts for you.



I see what is going to happen here. You are going to throw a tantrum and then come back with a bunch of useless drivel and tactless name calling to prove your point.


No, I'm going to laugh and laugh at your inability to admit being wrong, then belittle you about it, then laugh and laugh at you critiziing my spelling, then prove you wrong a few times, then laugh some more.




That's okay though. After all you have 10688 posts under your belt. I have less than 20.
Go get em tiger!!!


I wouldn't matter if you had 90,000,000 posts, you'd still be dead wrong.


Oh... Wait... I see now... Guess I should have read the disclaimer:

Silly me...


Apparently. You clealry have difficulty discerning humor and statemnts of fact, so I imagine it would confuse you to no end.

Again, thanks for playing, it's been fun. You have three options now.

1)Be an adult and say "ok, ok, I was completely wrong, I aplogize"

2)Be a coward and not post again.

3)Be yourself and dig yourself deeper and deeper into a whole of hypocracy and illogic and attempt to continue arguing your points, whatever it is you think they may be.

I imagine it'll be 3.
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#42 Aug 09 2004 at 11:09 AM Rating: Decent
If you burn more calories than you take in, you'll lose weight. Simply eating less can help you lose weight, but if you're lazy all day you're going to be losing those pounds very slowly and end up malnourished and looking and feeling very ill. Eat a moderate amount and get exercise regularly and you'll be in good shape.

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#43 Aug 09 2004 at 11:13 AM Rating: Good
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....you were arrogant and mistaken in yours. ....


now why do I read this posts like:

Pot calling Kettle black.

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#44 Aug 09 2004 at 11:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Being a bodybuilder I have had to gain, loss weight, and frankly i dont have time to put it off. If i am getting ready for a comp, i need it off.

You can sit here and blame other people, or you can go fix YOUR problem. Cause in the end, its up to YOU, not what the world does, or thinks.

And i dont get why you say you need 50k to get 'thin'... I am probally more on the 'poor' side of the tree. Sure, i have a nice house, but that doesnt mean anything. I do not have money to go out and get 'fat burners' or 'opperations'... If you know anything about bodybuilding, or even self-fitness, you will know that diet is key, and is over 60% of your results come from diet.

Don't be a follower, change your ways and stop complaining, cause choku, your whole arguement is crap. You make no sense, you don not need to pay for pills, or operation, or any of that to loss fat. Stop complaining and go do something for yourself, and your loved ones. You will live healthier, longer, more joyful life.
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now why do I read this posts like:

Pot calling Kettle black.


I imagine it's because you're not bright enough to discern the diffrence between a clever, funny, effective argument and ********

Don't feel bad, most people are the same way.
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#46 Aug 09 2004 at 11:20 AM Rating: Good
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now why do I read this posts like:

Pot calling Kettle black.
Clever, funny, and effective! I like it!
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I imagine it's because you're not bright enough to discern the diffrence between a clever, funny, effective argument and bulsh*t.

Don't feel bad, most people are the same way.


I imagine it could be that you missed your own points on humour and facts...

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Apparently. You clealry have difficulty discerning humor and statemnts of fact, so I imagine it would confuse you to no end.


but don´t feel bad hun, we still love you!
#48 Aug 09 2004 at 11:21 AM Rating: Default
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I imagine it could be that you missed your own points on humour and facts...


Well if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black!
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#49 Aug 09 2004 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
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The government's a good source to use. Remember to drink your 4 glasses of Milk, because the mild lobby pays a lot of money for it to be healthy, even thgough it's essentialy fat and water.

Skim milk = Fat Free

And what else am I going to put in my cereal?

#50 Aug 09 2004 at 11:23 AM Rating: Default
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And what else am I going to put in my cereal?


I don't know, but you should definately eat a lot of cereal. Fam subsidies can't do it all, we need your money too!
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.

#51 Aug 09 2004 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good
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Well if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black!


Well, if this isn´t the sorriest excuse for a retort I´ve ever seen...

But to use your words, thanks for playing anyways! Smiley: jester
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