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#52 Aug 09 2004 at 11:26 AM Rating: Default
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Well, if this isn´t the sorriest excuse for a retort I´ve ever seen...


Lighten up!

Why so angry all the time, geez.
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#53 Aug 09 2004 at 11:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't know, but you should definately eat a lot of cereal. Fam subsidies can't do it all, we need your money too!

I don't even know who/what this is a jab at.

#55 Aug 09 2004 at 2:34 PM Rating: Decent
One burns the same amount of calories walking as jogging. However, the faster you move, the more you burn in the same time. Also note that jogging/running is more of a cardiovascular workout whereas walking is just doing something which burns calories.

Unless you have some radically different definition of the English verbs "to walk," "to jog," and "to run" than the rest of us, you contradicted yourself no less than two times in three sentences.

There's a reason that long distance runners can pour a cup of corn oil over their bucket of KFC and still have 6% body fat.
#56 Aug 09 2004 at 3:15 PM Rating: Decent
It's quite possible to burn an equal amount of calories (or more even) walking as compared to jogging. However, we're not talking about the standard 2.5mph stroll. You'd have to be doing a good 5mph speed walk.
#58 Aug 09 2004 at 4:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Ahhh useless drivel.

The point is you threw out statements that were false and misleading in the initial post. If you want to qualify that by using “estimates” then yeah maybe your right, in a retarded sort of way. I can and will prove my statements. Where is your proof? Oh yeah...
Your making it up as you go. Hey, keep talking, maybe someday you'll say something semi-intelligent.

What did you do take five minutes out of your posting time to do a web search for that site? I gave you two studies that prove that extreme low calorie diets are dangerous and need to be monitored by a Physician. Then you talk about a low calorie diet. Didn’t you say “lose a hundred pounds in a year”and your statement made the assumption you were talking about a 200 pound person. Okay so if we are estimating where is the limit on the estimate? I’m only going by what you wrote. Are you changing it?

Then you corrected yourself by saying most people need to lose about 40 pounds. So what is the deal? If I estimate that a 200-pound person can lose approximately 100 pounds in a year that still equates to extreme dieting by any standard. It's feasible to say that a 200 pound person has the ability to lose 40 pounds if they are overweight (through modified dieting and exercise).

Well gee I guess the dyslexia didn't interfere with your spelling of “perspicacious”. Found a dictionary huh?

You are right about something. Dyslexia has nothing to do with intelligence. However actually using a word processor does. You should try it sometime. There is a helpful little tool called spell check. Oh wait. You didn’t understand that?
Maybe this will help.
Three is a heplflu litltle tolo callde spell chekc.

And for the record I didn't end the sentence below improperly. You failed to read the quote with it. Go back and read it again.

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Sure I could. I have run with an 80 pound pack dozens of times and I'm probably 20 pounds overweight, maybe more.


No… You can’t.


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I could make some up like you, if you'd like.


Everyone knows that’s what you have been doing the whole time.


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I realize your reasoning skills are clearly grossly sub-par, but surely, not even you are so stunningly ingorant and pathetically desperate to equate a low calorie dieet with an eating disorder… It's sort of hard to do it improperly. If your goal is weigh less, eating less is the method.



You never studied… And yes you can do it improperly. Hello! McFly!!! Again, I present the two articles I gave to you. Read them first then make your criticisms.

Independent peer reviewed medical journals? Really? Name which ones? Or do you have to go find some? I’ll wait...

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Sure, here's an absolute. If I'm eating 500 calories and gaining weight, burning 300 calories extra per day will mean I'm still gaining way.


Really? How do you know? Where are your facts? Oh yeah... your making them up. Well I guess that's absolute. So there ya go you win.

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No, I'm going to laugh and laugh


Oh... okay. Hmmm... Wow let me think of a witty comeback on this one. Here ya go. I notice that you never let an idea interrupt the flow of your conversation.

You have three options now.
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You have three options now.


Hey I'm impressed. You actually thought of three answers. What happened they upgrade you to a 50 watt bulb in that brain of yours? /clap

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1)Be an adult and say "ok, ok, I was completely wrong, I aplogize"


-Can’t be this one because your wrong.

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2)Be a coward and not post again.


-HAHAHAHAHA.

Okay that means one left. Hey maybe you are right about something.

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3)Be yourself and dig yourself deeper and deeper into a whole of hypocracy and illogic and attempt to continue arguing your points, whatever it is you think they may be.


-Hypocrisy??? Illogic??? Okay gee lets refute actual case studies and medical documentation and classify it as illogic. Not only that lets refuse to look at them and use other websites that have absolutely nothing to do with the conversation in order to prove me wrong. That way we will definitely get the point across! If there was a kewpie doll for dumb statements you’d win hands down.

Oops all out of choices.

Now do you want to continue verbally abusing each other or critique this rationally?
#59 Aug 09 2004 at 4:56 PM Rating: Default
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Holy chirst, learn to use the posting markup. This post looks like what I see after I wipe my ***.

Anyway.


Ahhh useless drivel.


I know, I'll respond anyway. It's a slow day for me.



The point is you threw out statements that were false and misleading in the initial post. If you want to qualify that by using “estimates” then yeah maybe your right, in a retarded sort of way. I can and will prove my statements. Where is your proof? Oh yeah...


Proof of what? That you loose weight from decreasing calorie intake and that calorie intake comes from food?

One would have thought even you could have folowed the arrows there, but I guess not.



Your making it up as you go. Hey, keep talking, maybe someday you'll say something semi-intelligent.

What did you do take five minutes out of your posting time to do a web search for that site? I gave you two studies that prove that extreme low calorie diets are dangerous and need to be monitored by a Physician.


No, you linked a few studies about eating disorders. Which is like linking a few studies about nuclear weapons in a debate about gun controll.




Then you talk about a low calorie diet. Didn’t you say “lose a hundred pounds in a year”and your statement made the assumption you were talking about a 200 pound person. Okay so if we are estimating where is the limit on the estimate? I’m only going by what you wrote. Are you changing it?


How did I make the assumption that I was talking about a 200 pound person? Amazing the things you randomly assume and infer magically.

Why bother to have me post at all. I'll just post a bucnh with no text and you can just make up something you want to argue about and say it was assumed.


Then you corrected yourself by saying most people need to lose about 40 pounds. So what is the deal? If I estimate that a 200-pound person can lose approximately 100 pounds in a year that still equates to extreme dieting by any standard. It's feasible to say that a 200 pound person has the ability to lose 40 pounds if they are overweight (through modified dieting and exercise).


Again, pulling the 200 pound person out of your ***, I assume.


Well gee I guess the dyslexia didn't interfere with your spelling of “perspicacious”. Found a dictionary huh?


Being dyslexic doesn't mean I mispell every word. It means that I mispell words often and don't realize it. I'm not particularly bothered by it, particulalry since I can use a spell checking program if I feel like it. Sadly, there's no salient argument chacking program so you're pretty much out of luck.


You are right about something. Dyslexia has nothing to do with intelligence. However actually using a word processor does. You should try it sometime. There is a helpful little tool called spell check. Oh wait. You didn’t understand that?
Maybe this will help.
Three is a heplflu litltle tolo callde spell chekc.

And for the record I didn't end the sentence below improperly. You failed to read the quote with it. Go back and read it again.


No kidding?

You mean it was meant to continue on to the quoted word below? who knew! I ASSUMED THAT IT DIDN'T.

Hey, that's easy! Now I can argue as you would!


No… You can’t.


Of course I can. I have. Many, many times. Eighty pounds of gear really isn't that much. Pretty much anyone who's been through Basic Training has probably run with that much or close to it.

I don't know why you find it so ludicrous. I've run while carrying someone who weighed over 100 pounds. It's not a superhuman thing. People do it all the time.



Everyone knows that’s what you have been doing the whole time.


Yeah, because...I've posted easily checkable facts?



You never studied… And yes you can do it improperly. Hello! McFly!!! Again, I present the two articles I gave to you. Read them first then make your criticisms.

Independent peer reviewed medical journals? Really? Name which ones? Or do you have to go find some? I’ll wait...


I'm not sure what you're looking for here. Do you want me to name a medical journal? To link a study? I'm a little lost here.



Really? How do you know? Where are your facts? Oh yeah... your making them up. Well I guess that's absolute. So there ya go you win.


Pardon me? Are you arguing the fact that if you consume more calories than you burn that you'll gain weight??

Great balls of fire, we've gone from ignorant to clinnically insane here. Had I realized I was arguing with someone who didn't understand the most basic of facts I'd have had a lot more fun with you.


Oh... okay. Hmmm... Wow let me think of a witty comeback on this one. Here ya go. I notice that you never let an idea interrupt the flow of your conversation.


Did it take you all four hours to come up with that, or just three or so? I think you're confused, though. I'd happily talk about a valid idea. I'm waiting to see one from you, but that's reall more a reflection on you than on me.


Hey I'm impressed. You actually thought of three answers. What happened they upgrade you to a 50 watt bulb in that brain of yours? /clap


Yes, I see you chose number 3, by the way.

Hot damn, I may be psychic after all!

In truth, I'm glad that you took the time out from your important duties as token retarded grocery bagger to strap on the drool cup and helmet and reply. I'd have been very saddened if the people on the little yellow school bus had somehow convinced you it was a bad idea.



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1)Be an adult and say "ok, ok, I was completely wrong, I aplogize"


-Can’t be this one because your wrong.


Yeah, about what?

If you're going to make that kind of assertation, I'd recomend that, in the future, you pick something that I'm wrong about and actually argue it.

Oh wait, I'm wrong about the fact that if you consume more calories that you expend you gain weight, right?


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2)Be a coward and not post again.


-HAHAHAHAHA.


Yeah, I didn't think that was very likely, either. It's pretty clear you're a "I meant to do that!" kind of person. Cut your left nut off, "I meant to do that!" Get beaten to a fine red mist on a message board argument "I meant to do that!! I'm winning!!"

Pretty much what I figured.




Okay that means one left. Hey maybe you are right about something.

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3)Be yourself and dig yourself deeper and deeper into a whole of hypocracy and illogic and attempt to continue arguing your points, whatever it is you think they may be.



Yeah, dead on with that one, baby.

Damn, I'm good.





-Hypocrisy??? Illogic??? Okay gee lets refute actual case studies and medical documentation and classify it as illogic. Not only that lets refuse to look at them and use other websites that have absolutely nothing to do with the conversation in order to prove me wrong. That way we will definitely get the point across! If there was a kewpie doll for dumb statements you’d win hands down.


You linked actual case studies of eating disorders.

They were about as relevant as if you'd linked **** eating goat ****, allthough in fairness to the goats, not as intresting.


Oops all out of choices.


All out of any sort of argument, too I guess. Trust me, you don't want this to deginerate into random personal attacks, you're outmanned there.

Scurry off and try to dig up something that supports your crazy wild eyed fantasy that you can eat more calories than you burn off but loose wieght somehow through the power of prayer or whatever whacky tin foil hat theory you're arguing and then I can continue to make you look foolish.

I look forward to your witty reparte.
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#60 Aug 09 2004 at 5:04 PM Rating: Decent
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?

TIGERHAND!^

Edited, Mon Aug 9 18:05:20 2004 by pickleprince
#61 Aug 09 2004 at 10:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Holy chirst, learn to use the posting markup. This post looks like what I see after I wipe my ***.


You just reached a new level. Congratulations...

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Proof of what? That you loose weight from decreasing calorie intake and that calorie intake comes from food?


Once again I refer you to your original quote:

"At 200 pounds you burn about 150 calories if you run a mile.
If you ran a mile a day for a year you'd loose 10 pounds.
Or you could eat less and loose 100 pounds in a year."

Proof of what you say?

Prove that a 200 pound man will burn about 150 calories in running a mile. Do you know where this information came from?

Prove that running a mile a day would cause a weight loss of 10 pounds.

Prove that you can eat less and lose 100 pounds in a year. And prove that with some margin of safety. (My point being, that your comment is misleading and dangerous.)

You are not proving anything by just saying so.

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No, you linked a few studies about eating disorders. Which is like linking a few studies about nuclear weapons in a debate about gun controll.


And yet, you still haven't read these. Read the studies!!! You wouldn't be making those comments or assumptions about what I meant otherwise.


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How did I make the assumption that I was talking about a 200 pound person? Amazing the things you randomly assume and infer magically.


Well gee lets look at the original text.

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At 200 pounds you burn about 150 calories if you run a mile.

If you ran a mile a day for a year you'd loose 10 pounds.

Or you could eat less and loose 100 pounds in a year.


The only magic here is you pulled this information out of thin air. Where is the proof?

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Of course I can. I have. Many, many times. Eighty pounds of gear really isn't that much. Pretty much anyone who's been through Basic Training has probably run with that much or close to it.


No... You CAN'T. And no you haven't.

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Yeah, because...I've posted easily checkable facts?


You still haven't proven these facts.

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I'm a little lost here.


You said it...


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Pardon me? Are you arguing the fact that if you consume more calories than you burn that you'll gain weight??


No I'm not. But you still don't have any proof. Where are the independent peer reviews you were hyping about earlier? Where is the actual research?

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Did it take you all four hours to come up with that, or just three or so? I think you're confused, though. I'd happily talk about a valid idea.[/quote]

These forums are your life aren't they? I don't spend my time answering posts all day. Your 10,000 posts to my 15 or so proves that. If you don't like it oh well...

And we can't talk about the validity of anything because you can't or won't get this part in your head. READ THE STUDIES!!!
Present some actual fact based matter to back up your comments. What part of that can you not understand?!?!?

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Yes, I see you chose number 3, by the way.


And again you are resorting to childish prattle to get your point across.

[quote]Trust me, you don't want this to deginerate into random personal attacks, you're outmanned there.


Your right. I never did.

You started that up on your own. Apparently it's all you know. Otherwise even though I made you angry you would have gone and researched the information I presented. Geez, I practically spoon fed the information to you. And you still haven't read it. All you've come up with so far are insults and childish bantering. I lowered myself to your level to see if it would change anything. Isn't it amazing how rude comments only incite further animosity? You still haven't pulled up the "easily checkable facts". Okay so if we disagree with each other why do you feel it so necessary to be abusive? Doesn't it stand to reason to back up what you say instead of making crass remarks that obviously accomplish nothing?

The truth is that exercise and dieting are both complex issues and just eating less is not always the answer. If you want we can argue that point. But if you aren't willing to read the documentation and provide any for debate then you are wasting my time. The ball is in your court.
#62 Aug 09 2004 at 10:39 PM Rating: Decent
Choku, everyone has said cut down on fatty, high caloric, high sugar foods. Do it. Instead of a soda and a candy bar each day try 1 soda and 1 candy bar per week.
***** Diets, they are created by doctors and marketing people in corporate America. Companies make money off people with low self esteeme. As you obviously have. No offense intended, I suffer from it too.
By running I believe the people meant excercise as a whole. If you have bad knees or a back do something else. Walk, swim, join a 24 hour gym if they have one. Can't afford it? Skip enough visits to McDonalds and all the other fast food places each week until you can. If you visit McDonalds and buy an average meal you spend about $5. Skip 3 a week you've got $15. Do that for a month and you've got $60. A membership at your local gym.
Do pushups in your living room. Clean the house. Walk around the block. To hell with what people think and say and look at. You shouldn't care. Do whatever you can do physically and mentally to change your eatting and excersize habits. If that still doesn't loose weight then see a doctor.
And as far as blaming North America I hardly think it's fair to blame some 300+ million people for your being overwieght.
Want to know why people are getting fatter? Look at life in the middle ages. If you lived then you ate depending on your social status. Farmers worked their asses off to eat a little food. Kings ate like, well kings. If you think tolling 18 hours a day on someone elses farm to go home to 2 slices of bacon and a lump of corn meal won't keep you thin then try it. Now adays we have chocolate, coffee, fast food, movie theaters with huge tubs of buttered popcorn, sodas larger then a human bladder and 500 channels on the TV.
Stop watching TV. Stop playing Video games. Stop whining about your weight and do something about it. Want to know something? I'll bet that these same people who are saying 'get off your butt and jog, and quit eatting' would be happy to have you post 6 months from now saying "Hey I lost 50 pounds!" or 20 or whatever you can manage safely. Do it for yourself not us. Or don't that's your choice. But if your going to ***** about North America and how it's causing people to be fat with diets and fast food on this public forum then expect to be taken to task.
#63 Aug 10 2004 at 9:54 AM Rating: Default
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Listen.

Really.

Untill you show that you posses the very, very basic level of intelct required to manage post markup to post something vaguely readable I'm not responding.

As an experiment I trained both a chimpanzee and an Emperor Penguin to do it in under an hour, so it should only take you a few weeks.

When you can produce something readable, give ma call.

Otherwise you may as well be posting in Mandarin. No one's going to read that abortion, least of all me.

Come on, you can do it. Learning it good for you, even though I realize it's very, very, painfull and hard in your case.

Give it a shot.
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#64 Aug 10 2004 at 10:24 AM Rating: Decent
I don't think you can run with eighty pounds of gear on Smash. Jog perhaps, but run?. What kind of distances are we talking about here?

I hike a lot, and my pack rarely gets heavier than sixty pounds, but I still can't imagine trying to run with that. Then again, I'm not the paragon of physical perfection.

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#65 Aug 10 2004 at 10:49 AM Rating: Default
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Why is this 80 pounds of gear this so amazingly mesmerizing.

Look, here's a simple eample.

Do NFL defensive linemen run?

Do they run while being 80 pounds over what they should weigh?

It's a miracle!
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.

#66 Aug 10 2004 at 10:51 AM Rating: Decent
Oh man. What a pathetic cop-out that was.
#67 Aug 10 2004 at 10:56 AM Rating: Decent
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AGAIN you throw out abuse which just proves what a Wuss you really are.

Oh I'm sorry...

Agian ouy hroht oto busea chiwh stj rovpes htwa a ssuW uyo eallyr rea.

You can probably read that a little better.
#68 Aug 10 2004 at 10:58 AM Rating: Default
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Oh man. What a pathetic cop-out that was.


How is it a cop out?

I've run with an 80 pound pack, it's not that big of a deal, I don't see the big mystery.

SEAL training requires running with a 100 pound pack, while carrying another man, etc.

I'm not a SEAL, but it's really, really, not that big of a deal.

Would I run 10 miles with 80 pounds? No.

Could I run two 12 minute miles? Absolutely.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.

#69 Aug 10 2004 at 10:59 AM Rating: Default
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AGAIN you throw out abuse which just proves what a Wuss you really are.

Oh I'm sorry...

Agian ouy hroht oto busea chiwh stj rovpes htwa a ssuW uyo eallyr rea.

You can probably read that a little better.


So, I guess this means you haven't figured out to manage posting yet?

Let me know when you've mastered it.

I'll probably ahve forgotten about you by 2008, so make sure you make a new topic and explain the situation.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.

#70 Aug 10 2004 at 11:00 AM Rating: Decent
You could, perhaps, charitably describe what they do as running.

But they don't run five miles with an extra eighty pounds of gear on their back, throwing off their center of balance, etc.

I mean, if you're talking about gear strapped onto a vest where you're carrying forty pounds of ordinance and other gear, then yeah, it's not that bad. I bet you could run with it. But if the bulk of the gear is in the rucksack, then I just don't believe you'd make it very far running.

I don't know what the fitness competition is, but it's like ten miles with a sixty pound rucksack, I think the Rangers host it. But the winning team usually just jogs/speed walks, feet close to the ground.

To me the weight isn't an issue, it's the balance.
#71 Aug 10 2004 at 11:01 AM Rating: Decent
You post too fast.
#72 Aug 10 2004 at 11:04 AM Rating: Decent
SEAL training requires running with a 100 pound pack, while carrying another man, etc.

When, during the first three weeks, or maybe once during hell week?
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To me the weight isn't an issue, it's the balance.


Exacatly. Someone who's 80 pounds overweight is going to have a much better ballanced load than I could.

I didn't mean to imply I could run with an 80 pound hat on, or with a bag of cement in a backpack, but I can certainly run while carrying 80 pounds.

Edited, Tue Aug 10 12:05:10 2004 by Smasharoo
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#74 Aug 10 2004 at 11:07 AM Rating: Default
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When, during the first three weeks, or maybe once during hell week?


I don't honestly know, offhand. I could look it up, but it'd during BUDS when they run from inland to a boat with 100 lb rucksacks, then get in the boat.

The trick is that once the sacks get wet they weigh 200 pounds and are much harder to manuvre, which is the challanging part to see how they deal with distributing added weight on the zodiac, or whatever it is they use for a little boats.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.

#75 Aug 10 2004 at 11:13 AM Rating: Decent
I didn't mean to imply I could run with an 80 pound hat on, or with a bag of cement in a backpack, but I can certainly run while carrying 80 pounds.

Fine then. Mostly I just didn't want to feel like a giant weiner for not being able to run with my pack more than a few hundred yards.
#76 Aug 10 2004 at 12:37 PM Rating: Decent
It's not that it can't be done at all, it obviously can. But just because it's something that can be done by people who are either already in shape or who have trained for it, that doesn't mean it's something that everyone is capable of doing. Not everyone has the strength of an NFL defensive lineman or a Navy SEAL. Least of all individuals who carry around an extra 80lbs+ of fat because of poor diet and lack of exercise. Granted, they've got to start somewhere, but running in that condition is just asking for an injury.
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