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#52 Nov 01 2007 at 10:49 AM Rating: Default
Lady Annabella wrote:
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Walmart PCs are crap, aimed purely at connecting the ghetto to the rest of the world.


Yes, and the person that can now check their email and learn about ebay for $200 instead of $500 cares about this why?


It bothers Stubs on an asthetic level.


You bother me on a genetic level. To borrow from Usagi's playbook... GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN, WOMAN!
#53 Nov 01 2007 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
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Same can be said for a $200 PC for them. I'd much rather get some cheap PoS for them than build a computer with higher performance.
The main downside I see from this will come from gaming. For a skilled user, you might know its limitations or how to upgrade it (plus how to get a Windows based game to run on it). For the person who buys their kid this computer and unknowingly gets a copy of the Windows Based PC Game of the Month, it'll be a disappointment.


Not for Wal-Mart. Not after they release their "This will let you play Windows based games on your new piece of crap!" CD right after Christmas.
#54 Nov 01 2007 at 10:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Nagah wrote:
You know, I find nothing wrong with Walmart computers for simple every day use. My laptop is a WalMart computer. It's nothing spectacular, but anything I really need extra power with I just use my PC upstairs. Plus, I don't care as much if this thing gets destroyed by the boys.

Same can be said for a $200 PC for them. I'd much rather get some cheap PoS for them than build a computer with higher performance. Of course, we've done several upgrades over the past 3 yrs, so have old boards and stuff, so we're just going to use that to build a PC. We'd format and install Windows on the $200 machine anyways.


Just an FYI they sell the same machine for $300 with Vista basic on it (not that I'd suggest buying it).
#55 Nov 01 2007 at 10:50 AM Rating: Good
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StubsOnAsura the Shady wrote:
Lady Annabella wrote:
Yodabunny wrote:
StubsOnAsura the Shady wrote:
Walmart PCs are crap, aimed purely at connecting the ghetto to the rest of the world.


Yes, and the person that can now check their email and learn about ebay for $200 instead of $500 cares about this why?


It bothers Stubs on an asthetic level.


You bother me on a genetic level. To borrow from Usagi's playbook... GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN, WOMAN!
Usagi does it with so much more panache.
#56 Nov 01 2007 at 10:51 AM Rating: Decent
Jophiel wrote:
Nagah wrote:
Same can be said for a $200 PC for them. I'd much rather get some cheap PoS for them than build a computer with higher performance.
The main downside I see from this will come from gaming. For a skilled user, you might know its limitations or how to upgrade it (plus how to get a Windows based game to run on it). For the person who buys their kid this computer and unknowingly gets a copy of the Windows Based PC Game of the Month, it'll be a disappointment.


yes, these types of computers are not ment for gaming. even if you did format and install XP it would run most games like cr4p, that is assuming you could even get the game to install in the first place.

yes they are for basic office productivity work, e-mailing, and web browsing that is about all they are good for. for kids in school that need to type out a report or make a spread sheet or presentation, or those that are doing classes were they have to make their own web page, these computers are PERFECT for a lower income family, or even one of great means for that matter as they will do those types of jobs very well.
#57 Nov 01 2007 at 10:53 AM Rating: Decent
Yodabunny wrote:
Nagah wrote:
You know, I find nothing wrong with Walmart computers for simple every day use. My laptop is a WalMart computer. It's nothing spectacular, but anything I really need extra power with I just use my PC upstairs. Plus, I don't care as much if this thing gets destroyed by the boys.

Same can be said for a $200 PC for them. I'd much rather get some cheap PoS for them than build a computer with higher performance. Of course, we've done several upgrades over the past 3 yrs, so have old boards and stuff, so we're just going to use that to build a PC. We'd format and install Windows on the $200 machine anyways.


Just an FYI they sell the same machine for $300 with Vista basic on it (not that I'd suggest buying it).


oh dear lord the thought of trying to run Vista on that limited amount of hardware is frightening.
#58 Nov 01 2007 at 10:55 AM Rating: Good
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StubsOnAsura the Shady wrote:
Lady Annabella wrote:
Yodabunny wrote:
StubsOnAsura the Shady wrote:
Walmart PCs are crap, aimed purely at connecting the ghetto to the rest of the world.


Yes, and the person that can now check their email and learn about ebay for $200 instead of $500 cares about this why?


It bothers Stubs on an asthetic level.


You bother me on a genetic level. To borrow from Usagi's playbook... GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN, WOMAN!
Usagi does it with so much more strange diCk in his mouth.


Fixed.


Oh, you think I beat the "Doug has AIDS" thing into the ground? You have seen nothing, yet.
#59 Nov 01 2007 at 10:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Singdall wrote:
oh dear lord the thought of trying to run Vista on that limited amount of hardware is frightening.


No kidding, to be fair though it's Vista basic, no fancy graphics (no Aero interface).
#60 Nov 01 2007 at 11:01 AM Rating: Good
Yodabunny wrote:
Nagah wrote:
You know, I find nothing wrong with Walmart computers for simple every day use. My laptop is a WalMart computer. It's nothing spectacular, but anything I really need extra power with I just use my PC upstairs. Plus, I don't care as much if this thing gets destroyed by the boys.

Same can be said for a $200 PC for them. I'd much rather get some cheap PoS for them than build a computer with higher performance. Of course, we've done several upgrades over the past 3 yrs, so have old boards and stuff, so we're just going to use that to build a PC. We'd format and install Windows on the $200 machine anyways.


Just an FYI they sell the same machine for $300 with Vista basic on it (not that I'd suggest buying it).


I'd much rather get the $200 and put 2k or XP on it. Installing an OS isn't a big issue, but the extra $100 for a Windows is. Let's face it, for preschoolers, the last thing you want is to spend an extra $100 for something they won't even see a difference in (or in this case, because of Vista's spec requirements, a big difference in the negative). So yeah...


I can definitey see your argument Joph. That is something that is so likely to happen. And the thing is, WalMart can't even be found in fault since they make it quite clear that there is a different OS on it. But of course, that doesnt mean WalMart won't hear from their customers about that..
#61 Nov 01 2007 at 11:06 AM Rating: Default
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I'd much rather get the $200 and put 2k or XP on it. Installing an OS isn't a big issue, but the extra $100 for a Windows is. Let's face it, for preschoolers, the last thing you want is to spend an extra $100 for something they won't even see a difference in (or in this case, because of Vista's spec requirements, a big difference in the negative). So yeah...


Piracy used to be something people wouldn't boldly and publicly endorse like this...
#62 Nov 01 2007 at 11:09 AM Rating: Decent
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The type of people that are going to buy this PC aren't going to spend $70 on Houseofultimateframerateslaughter 5. They're going to get the Sims, which also won't run, but they'll buy it from walmart so they can take it back.

Honestly I don't see the people buying this PC buying any games. They're going to buy it, ask their 12 year old to plug it in, and use the walmart guide to PCs to try and send an email. After which they'll find out they need to get the internet hooked up.
#63 Nov 01 2007 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
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StubsOnAsura the Shady wrote:
Nagah wrote:
I'd much rather get the $200 and put 2k or XP on it. Installing an OS isn't a big issue, but the extra $100 for a Windows is. Let's face it, for preschoolers, the last thing you want is to spend an extra $100 for something they won't even see a difference in (or in this case, because of Vista's spec requirements, a big difference in the negative). So yeah...


Piracy used to be something people wouldn't boldly and publicly endorse like this...


It's not piracy if he owns more copies than he has installed.
#64 Nov 01 2007 at 11:20 AM Rating: Decent
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My wife loves her myspace and facebook. Also she puts tons of pics on her pc. The problem is that its like a 5 year old emachine and is starting to die. Would this be worth getting for her?
#65 Nov 01 2007 at 11:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Singdall wrote:
PunkFloyd the Flatulent wrote:
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It's Linux; there's no such thing as a proprietary version. Smiley: smile
Isn't that more in relation to the kernel itself?


It applies to the kernel as well as all of the GNU tools that provide core system support. These tools include most of the build utilities, C runtime, library management, shells, boot loading, etc. Important stuff.

Notwithstanding GNU utilities, the fact that the Linux kernel is licensed under the GPL, they *must* provide the full source code (not necessarily for free) which, by definition, prevents it from being proprietary. This is one of the key reasons why Linux is where it is today.


you can not be charged for the code or the source. you can however be charged for a service. a service can be a download as they are providing you with their bandwidth, but it must be 100% FREE for the source code and use of any part of it.

so you can be charged for a DVD, CD, download, etc... just not the software/code it self.

If i were to install Linux on your computer i can charge you for my time and my service, but i can not charge you for the OS. i can however charge you for the CD/DVD that OS is being installed from.


Yes, you most certainly can.

From GNU-GPL FAQ:

GNU-GPL wrote:

Does the GPL allow me to sell copies of the program for money?

Yes, the GPL allows everyone to do this. The right to sell copies is part of the definition of free software. Except in one special situation, there is no limit on what price you can charge. (The one exception is the required written offer to provide source code that must accompany binary-only release.)


GPL provides freedom as in speech, not beer.

Edit: Looking at that exception, it might cover what you're saying Singdall.

Edited, Nov 1st 2007 12:26pm by PunkFloyd
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#66 Nov 01 2007 at 11:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yodabunny wrote:
Honestly I don't see the people buying this PC buying any games. They're going to buy it, ask their 12 year old to plug it in, and use the walmart guide to PCs to try and send an email. After which they'll find out they need to get the internet hooked up.
I disagree. There's plenty of barely computer literate people out there who know just enough to make themselves dangerous when buying something. There's also plenty of good-hearted souls who think they're doing their (grand)kids a favor by buying them this computer they can afford.

My own mother, God bless her, is an intelligent and successful woman. But she still tried to buy me a WebTV in the late 90's when I was in the market for a computer. Thankfully, she started dropping hints beforehand.
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#67 Nov 01 2007 at 11:27 AM Rating: Default
Yodabunny wrote:
StubsOnAsura the Shady wrote:
Nagah wrote:
I'd much rather get the $200 and put 2k or XP on it. Installing an OS isn't a big issue, but the extra $100 for a Windows is. Let's face it, for preschoolers, the last thing you want is to spend an extra $100 for something they won't even see a difference in (or in this case, because of Vista's spec requirements, a big difference in the negative). So yeah...


Piracy used to be something people wouldn't boldly and publicly endorse like this...


It's not piracy if he owns more copies than he has installed.


And how many average users do you know who have purchased retail copies of Windows (not including the ones that came with their PC)? OEM = OS goes with PC. OEM licenses do not give you the ability to strip Windows from your PC, install Linux, and then install Windows elsewhere. Stop talking out of your ***.
#68 Nov 01 2007 at 11:35 AM Rating: Decent
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StubsOnAsura the Shady wrote:
And how many average users do you know who have purchased retail copies of Windows (not including the ones that came with their PC)? OEM = OS goes with PC. OEM licenses do not give you the ability to strip Windows from your PC, install Linux, and then install Windows elsewhere. Stop talking out of your ***.


Exactly 2, but how many average PC users are going to install an OS? I'm not talking about average users I'm talking about the guy who's going to install windows 2k on his pc. I personally have 2 retail (not OEM) windows XP licenses, I'm using 1. I'm not saying he's not pirating it, just saying it's quite possible he's not.
#69 Nov 01 2007 at 11:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Heh, makes you wonder wether the companies selling OEM versions of Windows for half the price of the regular version are totally legal :S
#70 Nov 01 2007 at 11:37 AM Rating: Good
StubsOnAsura the Shady wrote:
Yodabunny wrote:
StubsOnAsura the Shady wrote:
Nagah wrote:
I'd much rather get the $200 and put 2k or XP on it. Installing an OS isn't a big issue, but the extra $100 for a Windows is. Let's face it, for preschoolers, the last thing you want is to spend an extra $100 for something they won't even see a difference in (or in this case, because of Vista's spec requirements, a big difference in the negative). So yeah...


Piracy used to be something people wouldn't boldly and publicly endorse like this...


It's not piracy if he owns more copies than he has installed.


And how many average users do you know who have purchased retail copies of Windows (not including the ones that came with their PC)? OEM = OS goes with PC. OEM licenses do not give you the ability to strip Windows from your PC, install Linux, and then install Windows elsewhere. Stop talking out of your ***.


But having a recently deceased father who owned a computer business and kept many product keys on hand to install when/if a customer wanted to add a new computer to their network does give me access to legal copies of the OS.
#71 Nov 01 2007 at 5:35 PM Rating: Decent
StubsOnAsura the Shady wrote:
And how many average users do you know who have purchased retail copies of Windows (not including the ones that came with their PC)? OEM = OS goes with PC. OEM licenses do not give you the ability to strip Windows from your PC, install Linux, and then install Windows elsewhere. Stop talking out of your ***.


from what i understand you can. as long as the OS is ONLY installed on 1 bit of hardware it is legal. so if you remove it from the old and install it on the new, you are OK.
#72 Nov 01 2007 at 5:35 PM Rating: Decent
Yodabunny wrote:
Singdall wrote:
oh dear lord the thought of trying to run Vista on that limited amount of hardware is frightening.


No kidding, to be fair though it's Vista basic, no fancy graphics (no Aero interface).


still the system requirements are way to high.
#73 Nov 02 2007 at 1:42 AM Rating: Good
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Who cares what OS it has installed on it. Ubuntu or any other crap. Ether way. I'm down.
#74 Nov 02 2007 at 2:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not a computer geek but this description sounds interesting, especially for users with no interest in gaming.
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#75 Nov 02 2007 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
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According to an Engadget post that was made today the gOS is a Debian Core basicly a modded Ubuntu install.

I'm thinking LinuxMint meets wal-mart....
#76 Nov 02 2007 at 4:09 PM Rating: Decent
nice, i love Debian. I am trying to talk the wife into letting me get this for my daughter now. money is more then a little tight so it may be tough, but $200 i can not buy the hardware for that cheap. she is slowly starting to bend to my will though *BEG*

Edited, Nov 3rd 2007 2:09am by Singdall
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