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Okay right. For my Ballistics module at university I have an assignment of planning an assassination. The ins and outs are as follows:
200m from target
Target in a moving armoured 4x4
Bullet resistant glass
light armour
So I know we have a bunch of military types here. So I figured I'd ask you guys for advice, because my first thought was f*cking
anti-material rifle with armour piercing incendiary BMG rounds. I mean, who doesn't love something that can kill a building paired with something that pierces armour and then catches fire?
Probably overkill, though. So, thoughts?
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Nilatai wrote:
So, thoughts?
1) I'm not doing your homework for you.
2) You physics people get all the fun classes...
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someproteinguy wrote:
2) You physics people get all the fun classes... 
You have no idea. Last year they had to do a module called "Disasters", which wasn't as fun as it sounded. Basically it was a bunch of crap like...well you know the Tacoma Bridge resonance issue. Kind of dull, really.
So the guy we have no was all, "Pfft no that's boring as sh*t", so now he just teaches us about guns and ammo. It's more geared towards the Forensic Scientists we share the lecture with, but it's still pretty interesting stuff.
Plus he shows us crap like this for lulz:
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Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.
LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
I'm not exactly a military type, but I'm bored and formerly a physics student, so I'll ask questions even if I have nothing to add. I'm assuming we're talking straight out bullets(even if incendiary/explosive/U238(?)) and not allowing things like rockets or mortar fire?
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someproteinguy wrote:
2) You physics people get all the fun classes...
You have no idea. Last year they had to do a module called "Disasters", which wasn't as fun as it sounded. Basically it was a bunch of crap like...well you know the Tacoma Bridge resonance issue. Kind of dull, really.
Unless you were that poor puppy.
Also, who thought giving a loaded gun to a monkey was a good idea? That's how the planet of the apes thing got started or something...
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That's right, no explosives. Incendiary rounds are sort of allowed, because it's the bullet doing the actual damage to the target. I just like the idea of things catching fire after I shoot them.
Has to be fired from what's classified as a "firearm", so less than 20 mm calibre.
Has to be fired from what's classified as a "firearm", so less than 20 mm calibre.
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Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.
LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
Steady a laser target sight on it for an air/mortar/artillery strike.
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I did consider "nuke from orbit, it's the only way to be sure", and submitting that. Apparently that "wouldn't be sufficient for a grading".
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Solrain wrote:
WARs can use semi-colons however we want. I once killed a guy with a semi-colon.
LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH ;3
Seduce driver, kill him during kinky bondage sex, don his uniform, drive target and along the way offer him a poisoned cigar.
Then shoot the corpse since it's a ballistics class.
Alternately, fire a ballista at it.
Then shoot the corpse since it's a ballistics class.
Alternately, fire a ballista at it.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Can you give us any idea of the actual armor on the vehicle? Are we talking about something like an LAV-25 with High Hardness Steel? Or something like a Ford Explorer with B6 level armoring?
Edited, Dec 6th 2012 6:42pm by Driftwood
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Can you give us any idea of the actual armor on the vehicle? Are we talking about something like an LAV-25 with High Hardness Steel? Or something like a Ford Explorer with B6 level armoring?
It's suburbia, go with the
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I would look at an explosives trap:
Bury a quantity of explosives underneath the planned route. Detonate as the target drives over them.
Your calculations are:
What force would you need to lift the vehicle with so that it would crush itself on landing?
What distribution of front vs back axle force would be needed to create a smooth arc, ensuring the vehicle lands on its roof?
How far will the vehicle travel whilst airborne, and from what distance will the trajectory be noticeable, anticipating a standard suburban distribution of buildings?
How long will the road be closed for, due to the appearance of an unscheduled pothole?
Bury a quantity of explosives underneath the planned route. Detonate as the target drives over them.
Your calculations are:
What force would you need to lift the vehicle with so that it would crush itself on landing?
What distribution of front vs back axle force would be needed to create a smooth arc, ensuring the vehicle lands on its roof?
How far will the vehicle travel whilst airborne, and from what distance will the trajectory be noticeable, anticipating a standard suburban distribution of buildings?
How long will the road be closed for, due to the appearance of an unscheduled pothole?
Jophiel wrote:
Seduce driver, kill him during kinky bondage sex, don his uniform, drive target and along the way offer him a poisoned cigar.
Then shoot the corpse since it's a ballistics class.
Alternately, fire a ballista at it.
Then shoot the corpse since it's a ballistics class.
Alternately, fire a ballista at it.
No more Hitman for this man.
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Gazimoff wrote:
I would look at an explosives trap:
Bury a quantity of explosives underneath the planned route. Detonate as the target drives over them.
Bury a quantity of explosives underneath the planned route. Detonate as the target drives over them.
Nilatai wrote:
That's right, no explosives. Incendiary rounds are sort of allowed, because it's the bullet doing the actual damage to the target. I just like the idea of things catching fire after I shoot them.
Has to be fired from what's classified as a "firearm", so less than 20 mm calibre.
Has to be fired from what's classified as a "firearm", so less than 20 mm calibre.
Pour gas all over a section of the route they are traveling on. When they reach it ricochet an incendiary round into the gas tank, and pick off the ones that will try to flee from the burning vehicle/road.
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Nilatai wrote:
That's right, no explosives.
You people are no fun.
Drive in front with your own armored vehicle bearing a rear window decal of Calvin peeing on the logo of your target's truck. When the guy gets out to fight you, shoot him.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
20mm AP round will do the trick. You can carry the gun and shoot way more than 200m. Been done by the CIA.
Might want to use this weapon!
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Edited, Dec 6th 2012 9:24pm by Tailmon
Might want to use this weapon!
Victoria's signature weapon is the Hellsing ARMS Anti-Midian Cannon 'Harkonnen'. Weighing 120 lb. (~60 kg) unloaded, this 30 mm, single-shot, break action, breech loader cannon uses various types of shells, including depleted uranium with silver for piercing armored targets and incendiary napalm rounds for destroying large groups of opponents both on land and in the air. Only a vampire could carry and use this weapon. Her immense strength also allows her to use the Harkonnen while moving; sometimes, especially in the manga, she wields it with an extraordinary ease, even firing over her shoulder. Before gaining the Harkonnen, Seras used a smaller rifle, firing 13.7 mm rounds, as is seen written on the gun in the OVA. In the manga this gun is unnamed but the letters BAERLKS are spelled out on its side; in the OVA, however, the gun has Harkonnen written in the same place
Edited, Dec 6th 2012 9:24pm by Tailmon
Only mentioning because my favorites to shoot... Barrett 82A1 or the M107a1
Tailmon wrote:
20mm AP round will do the trick. You can carry the gun and shoot way more than 200m. Been done by the CIA.
Might want to use this weapon!
Victoria's signature weapon is the Hellsing ARMS Anti-Midian Cannon 'Harkonnen'. Weighing 120 lb. (~60 kg) unloaded, this 30 mm, single-shot, break action, breech loader cannon uses various types of shells, including depleted uranium with silver for piercing armored targets and incendiary napalm rounds for destroying large groups of opponents both on land and in the air. Only a vampire could carry and use this weapon. Her immense strength also allows her to use the Harkonnen while moving; sometimes, especially in the manga, she wields it with an extraordinary ease, even firing over her shoulder. Before gaining the Harkonnen, Seras used a smaller rifle, firing 13.7 mm rounds, as is seen written on the gun in the OVA. In the manga this gun is unnamed but the letters BAERLKS are spelled out on its side; in the OVA, however, the gun has Harkonnen written in the same place
Edited, Dec 6th 2012 9:24pm by Tailmon
Might want to use this weapon!
Victoria's signature weapon is the Hellsing ARMS Anti-Midian Cannon 'Harkonnen'. Weighing 120 lb. (~60 kg) unloaded, this 30 mm, single-shot, break action, breech loader cannon uses various types of shells, including depleted uranium with silver for piercing armored targets and incendiary napalm rounds for destroying large groups of opponents both on land and in the air. Only a vampire could carry and use this weapon. Her immense strength also allows her to use the Harkonnen while moving; sometimes, especially in the manga, she wields it with an extraordinary ease, even firing over her shoulder. Before gaining the Harkonnen, Seras used a smaller rifle, firing 13.7 mm rounds, as is seen written on the gun in the OVA. In the manga this gun is unnamed but the letters BAERLKS are spelled out on its side; in the OVA, however, the gun has Harkonnen written in the same place
Edited, Dec 6th 2012 9:24pm by Tailmon
No real person could use that weapon, therefore it's disqualified.
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Honestly? If ballistics calculations are more than a very minor component of your assassination plan, you probably don't have a very good plan. Just sayin'.
Given that this is the assignment, then you're kinda stuck with projecting stuff at the target (which I assume is the point of the exercise). Does the assignment include things like numbers of guards? Other vehicles that will assist? Must the kill be immediate, or can you take out the tires and then pick off the occupants (or pick them off when they attempt to leave the vehicle)?
Since the basic methods will probably be used to death, you might try going for something somewhat unique. Maybe calculate the size of giant rock you'd need to smash the vehicle in one hit, then calculate the force, trajectory, angle, etc that you'd need to use to catapult said rock in order to destroy the vehicle. For bonus points, calculate the size/weight of the catapult and materials you'd need to construct it with in order to do this. You know, just to be different and fun. For even more fun, write the whole thing as though you are Wile E. Coyote drawing up his latest plan to take out the dastardly Roadrunner, complete with order request sent to the ACME corporation for the materials.
Given that this is the assignment, then you're kinda stuck with projecting stuff at the target (which I assume is the point of the exercise). Does the assignment include things like numbers of guards? Other vehicles that will assist? Must the kill be immediate, or can you take out the tires and then pick off the occupants (or pick them off when they attempt to leave the vehicle)?
Since the basic methods will probably be used to death, you might try going for something somewhat unique. Maybe calculate the size of giant rock you'd need to smash the vehicle in one hit, then calculate the force, trajectory, angle, etc that you'd need to use to catapult said rock in order to destroy the vehicle. For bonus points, calculate the size/weight of the catapult and materials you'd need to construct it with in order to do this. You know, just to be different and fun. For even more fun, write the whole thing as though you are Wile E. Coyote drawing up his latest plan to take out the dastardly Roadrunner, complete with order request sent to the ACME corporation for the materials.
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The easy solution is to stop the car so it isn't moving. Simply bury a oh, I dunno, 40 tesla electromagnet (give or take 5) under the road, and wait for the car to drive by at speed. It will effectivly come to a near instantanous stop abruptly, likely causing roof to collapse and pin your intended victem. So now what you do is you build this really large trebuchet, and fling a ceramic knife wielding wombat at the now stationary car, accounting for elevation, wind resistance and velocity of course. The wombat hits the car, tears through the roof with superwombat strencth, chops the bad guy into tiny little pieces, then walks off into the sunset. You then reverse the polarity of the magnet, expelling the now magnitized carcas of the car off to the side of the road, disposing of the evidence.
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I can tell you that it takes a Level 10 Bullet Resistant Glass to stop a round from a military grade Barrett M82 using AP rounds.
I don't know what the hell "Level 10" means, but I know it's big, thick, heavy, and fun as hell to shoot at.
I don't know what the hell "Level 10" means, but I know it's big, thick, heavy, and fun as hell to shoot at.
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Nilatai wrote:
That's right, no explosives.
Then you'll have to throw your bullets.
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Level 10 will stop a single hit from a Barret .50 model 33 at that one point. The glass itself will likely take multiple hits overall, but it is not rated to take two .50 shells in the same spot.
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
The wombat hits the car, tears through the roof with superwombat strencth
I know wombats don't smell great but it'll take more than superwombat stench to tear through a truck roof.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Banana in the tailpipe.
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