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#1 Mar 17 2014 at 1:29 PM Rating: Good
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Happy St. Patrick's Day! Smiley: grinSmiley: grinSmiley: grin
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#2 Mar 17 2014 at 1:35 PM Rating: Good
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#4 Mar 17 2014 at 3:08 PM Rating: Good
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#5 Mar 17 2014 at 6:19 PM Rating: Good
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Today I learned that I'm descended from an Irish Baron that was hung by the English for joining the rebellion against them in the 1300s. Most of the Irish in my family came over between 1784 and 1830, though the mixed English/Irish bloodlines are harder to track.

There are also some French knights in my bloodline, but I'm going to keep that one quiet in real life.
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#6 Mar 17 2014 at 8:10 PM Rating: Good
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There are also some French knights in my bloodline, but I'm going to keep that one quiet in real life.


Supposedly on my Father's side, his Mother's Mother's (My father's grandmother) maiden name links back to some French royalty.
I'll never claim being any part French. Ever.

As for the Irish. I say yes. We can't really trace family name but back like 6 generations. Records were not really a thing the kept back then. We get random gingers born from time to time, so that helps the tree I guess. Also last name checks out as either Brits or Gaelic.

Everyone needs to have a Irish Car bomb tonight. Then we can say we did it together!
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#7 Mar 17 2014 at 8:57 PM Rating: Good
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Just don't ever ask an Irishman for an Irish car bomb.

Also, I'd be proud of the French heritage if I were you. Lots of good food and culture in that country.
#8 Mar 18 2014 at 7:09 AM Rating: Good
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I suppose I can be happy that the French knights in my line would be far enough back that France's military prowess wasn't pathetic. Smiley: lol
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#9 Mar 18 2014 at 7:53 AM Rating: Good
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Eh, France is actually a pretty successful country historically, they've won a lot more than they've lost.

And it took the Germans 5 days to conquer the Netherlands where my great grandfather was a general in the (horribly ill prepared) military between the 2 world wars so I can';t exactly point fingers at anyone. Everybody just assumed we'd stay neutral like in WW1 until the allies declared war on Germany and the Dutch army had to scramble to try and buy weapons from other countries (not wildly successful). They also somehow forgot to actually train their mobilized troops as soldiers so they ended up with an untrained army stuck 50 years in the past.

even today, there are yearly budget cuts for the military aside from spending on the stupid JSF.
#10 Mar 18 2014 at 8:35 AM Rating: Good
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Well, I mean, who thought they'd want the Netherlands. Smiley: lol

You were a big deal during the 17/1800s, since you were rich bankers and such, but I mean... That ship had sailed by the 1930s, right? My understanding is that, as a banking economy, the Dutch were hurting pretty badly with all the post-war stuff from WWI, particularly because of all their German accounts.

But I also confess that I haven't really studied the Dutch after the Napoleonic Wars, so there's that.
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#11 Mar 18 2014 at 9:36 AM Rating: Good
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By 1800 the Dutch economy was way past it's prime. The VoC had the nickname of Vergaan Onder Corruptie (destroyed by corruption) and went bust in the early 1800's leaving the Dutch government to pay off the debt and the financial markets had switched from Amsterdam to London which left another gaping hole in the economy. Relations between the Netherlands and Germany have historically been very good, our royal family was originally a German family and I think every king or queen has married a German or were German themselves and the Netherlands were neutral in WW1, the 1929 crisis also hit the Netherlands really hard and created a lot of poverty although extreme inflation was avoided and there was a rising call for independence coming from the Dutch Indies (Indonesia) as well that required attention.

So the Netherlands were not in good shape by any means prior to WW2 and were nowhere near the superpower of the 1700's.
#12 Mar 18 2014 at 9:39 AM Rating: Good
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#13 Mar 18 2014 at 9:41 AM Rating: Good
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Just imagine we're drunk old Irishmen in a pub and it'll be a lot more fun.
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#14 Mar 18 2014 at 9:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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lolgaxe wrote:
Nothing says St. Patrick's Day like a Dutch history lesson.
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#15 Mar 18 2014 at 11:33 AM Rating: Good
idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
I suppose I can be happy that the French knights in my line would be far enough back that France's military prowess wasn't pathetic. Smiley: lol


Are you sure? There are a few lowpoints in French military history, the longest of which is probably the 100YW (well, most of it). Lots of knights about back then.

WW2 isn't a big deal, really; their government was in the midst of being French, sure, but mostly they lost because they and everyone else was blindsided by a revolutionary new set of tactics implemented by a state militarised up to the eyeballs. Could have happened to anyone. No-one was really in a position to contend with Germany in 1939; some were lucky enough to be protected by the sea. Afterwards, France went back to being their bellicose old selves.
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The thing with the French military is that they always did what they did REALLY WELL, but they've also always been really slow to adopt and adapt to new methods. So throughout history they tend to be really powerful in the periods right before a significant military advancement, and get wrecked in the periods after one.

Let's ignore the period during the Revolution where the army was trying to fight with pikes, because they thought it was a Patriotic weapon. Smiley: lol Freaking Sans-Culottes. You can't really hold that against France, it's what's to be expected when a nation systematically executes or exiles all its former military leaders. But, hey, they wound up with Napoleon, so I guess it wasn't so bad in the end.

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WW2 is one example, the invention of the English Longbow is a big one, and it took them a pathetically long time to adjust to that one. Their military tradition was too steeped in, well, tradition to allow for the kind of dynamic change needed.

That's great when you need tight execution of a well-established method of attack, but awful when you're facing a new tactic.

Edited, Mar 18th 2014 1:50pm by idiggory
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#17 Mar 18 2014 at 1:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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I had fun last night explaining the St Patrick story to some drunk girls. Smiley: grin

Also, thanks to my vast numbers of cousins still in Ireland, I can pull off a pretty decent accent. Everyone wants to buy the Irishman a drink on St Paddy's. Smiley: tongue
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