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#52 May 06 2011 at 1:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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but we don't want to "punish" people who have achieved good ratings, or necessarily "help" those who have achieved bad ones. There are a fair number of posters out there who really should be sub default and just don't seem to get the message. the thiefx / varruswords of the world, for instance.

It's supposed to be dead easy to get scholar, but we don't want to give it away right from the start because then it doesn't feel like an achievement and a privilage when you get it. Sage is supposed to be Very Hard to achieve. Guru is supposed to be next to impossible. Truth be told, we probably have too many sages and gurus. But if we were to just start causing their rating to attrition over tiome, some of them would get annoyed about it and leave. and those tend to be your long term mainstay posters.
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#53 May 06 2011 at 4:53 AM Rating: Good
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I think that just giving new accounts a couple hundred 3.0 rates would help against the 1 time funny 100 posts gurus and the oops I messed up my first bunch of posts permanent sub default posters.
Even if a truly terrible poster gets 500 3.0 rates all his posts will still be blown to sub-d anyway, and someone who makes truly good posts will get rated up to excellent too.

Given that you only need to reach 3.01 for scholar I imagine that it won't be very hard to get a new poster there even with a start of 500 3.0 ratings.

Other than that, I don't think any major overhaul is needed that badly.
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#54 May 06 2011 at 7:43 AM Rating: Good
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
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I don't have the statistics to back any of this up, but I'll bet that, overall, there have been more rate-downs than rate-ups since the karma system was implemented (well, maybe if we filter out the OOT CJ fad back then).


It's actually exactly the opposite if you factor out all the spammers and sockpuppets that have been nuked into oblivion.


Crap. Smiley: bah

My theory on the human psyche still stands, though! Um, Hobbes agrees with me. Smiley: um
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#55 May 06 2011 at 8:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
but we don't want to "punish" people who have achieved good ratings, or necessarily "help" those who have achieved bad ones. There are a fair number of posters out there who really should be sub default and just don't seem to get the message. the thiefx / varruswords of the world, for instance.

If they achieved good ratings for their posts in the past, and now they don't post things that are worth rating up, should they really still be sage/guru? If they deserve it, people will keep rating them up. The same goes for sub-default people like varus.

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It's supposed to be dead easy to get scholar, but we don't want to give it away right from the start because then it doesn't feel like an achievement and a privilage when you get it. Sage is supposed to be Very Hard to achieve. Guru is supposed to be next to impossible. Truth be told, we probably have too many sages and gurus. But if we were to just start causing their rating to attrition over tiome, some of them would get annoyed about it and leave. and those tend to be your long term mainstay posters.

I doubt many of our posters would leave just because, over their next thousand posts, their rating gradually slid back down. Besides which, as soon as a sage hit scholar, or a guru hit sage, I guarantee their friends would start rating them back up. That tends to be the trend. Just make the rate of attrition slow enough and it wouldn't be a problem.
#56 May 06 2011 at 6:16 PM Rating: Decent
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I vote for just allowing everyone to rate based on their commitment to the site, Id say after 2K posts it is pretty evident you are part of the community, and not just a one stop/lurker type.

Curious note I got yellow at some point so have been able to rate people which is nice when instead of typing out agreement or disagreement. Taking bets on how long it stays though (unless I stop posting in =10)
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#57 May 06 2011 at 8:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Funny how that just happens sometimes.
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#58 May 06 2011 at 9:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Meh, rating is overrated.
#59 May 06 2011 at 9:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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I keep trying to get someone to add a third arrow. "Up", "Down" and then we really need "Disinteg". That would keep things interesting!
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#60 May 06 2011 at 9:52 PM Rating: Good
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How about a Q36 Explosive Space Modulator?
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#61 May 07 2011 at 11:47 AM Rating: Good
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So have it self-reinforce, but not quite at your current karma. If you always rate yourself at 3.0, then over time good/bad karma will degrade back to neutral, so that only posters who continuously contribute (or get rated down) will have their karma be anything special. Maybe don't have it do it at 3.0, but somewhere between where you're at and 3.0.
I see what you are saying, but this would be detrimental to people who post in journals on a regular basis. They could always make karma live in journals, but they would need take away some of the control the journal operator has on ratings, and it would be very hard for admins to track severe cases of CJing.

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#62 May 07 2011 at 12:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Nah, just leave it as it is now, where posting in a journal makes no difference to your karma. It wouldn't be hard to implement that way, since they already have it set up almost identical to that.
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How about a Q36 Explosive Space Modulator?

Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom!
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#64 May 08 2011 at 10:12 AM Rating: Good
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Nah, just leave it as it is now, where posting in a journal makes no difference to your karma. It wouldn't be hard to implement that way, since they already have it set up almost identical to that.
I didn't think about the fact that the two self rates wouldn't take effect either. So yeah, a slight degradation on the self rates probably wouldn't hurt journal posters.
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#65 May 14 2011 at 4:56 PM Rating: Good
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I'm not sure I agree that it's really an issue (that doesn't take care of itself), but one possibility is the rating of a poster being based on the aggregate of the last ______ posts that were made.

Not sure what the _____ number would need to be.

Not sure such a system wouldn't encourage more fooling/karma camping though.

Maybe... something like the last 50 posts average rating could be factored in as a third rating applied to the existing forum & self ratings.

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The "Time in grade" autopromote is a good idea. I can think of a few from the EQ general that are have been fantastically helpful for years, but had high post counts already so they've been scholars for an age. Obviously I don't have the internal #'s to know if they have been downrated like mad on another forum.
#66 May 15 2011 at 7:56 AM Rating: Good
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Majivo wrote:
I shouldn't be able to hide out in relatively safe threads (or journals) to boost my postcount to the point where I'm an immovable guru.
IIRC, journal posts don't haver any affect on your overall karma.
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Spoonless the Silent wrote:
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I shouldn't be able to hide out in relatively safe threads (or journals) to boost my postcount to the point where I'm an immovable guru.
IIRC, journal posts don't haver any affect on your overall karma.

Correct, but they do an effect on your post count.
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Kastigir wrote:
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Majivo wrote:
I shouldn't be able to hide out in relatively safe threads (or journals) to boost my postcount to the point where I'm an immovable guru.
IIRC, journal posts don't haver any affect on your overall karma.

Correct, but they do an effect on your post count.
Obviously. However, if I had 20k journal posts and 2k posts in regular forums, I wouldn't be a so-called "immovable guru". My karma would be as volatile as someone with zero journal posts and 2k regular posts.
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Spoonless the Silent wrote:
Kastigir wrote:
Spoonless the Silent wrote:
Majivo wrote:
I shouldn't be able to hide out in relatively safe threads (or journals) to boost my postcount to the point where I'm an immovable guru.
IIRC, journal posts don't haver any affect on your overall karma.

Correct, but they do an effect on your post count.
Obviously. However, if I had 20k journal posts and 2k posts in regular forums, I wouldn't be a so-called "immovable guru". My karma would be as volatile as someone with zero journal posts and 2k regular posts.

Someone more in the know than me can comment, but I'm not sure that's how it works.
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#70 May 17 2011 at 7:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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Self rates that automatically occur in a journal post are not counted for karma calculation purposes. The karma calculation essentially is a running average of all rates except rates that occur in journals.
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#71 May 17 2011 at 8:02 PM Rating: Good
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But it also calculates in your post count, right?
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It only includes total rates. Your postcount indirectly impacts that since non-journal posts are self-rated twice, but the actual formula doesn't involve postcount. I was mistaken when I mentioned posting in journals.
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I see, so posts in journals still get self-rated, but no ratings made in journals add to the personal karma score?

Edited, May 19th 2011 3:32am by Mazra
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Mazra wrote:
I see, so posts in journals still get self-rated, but no ratings made in journals add to the personal karma score?

Edited, May 19th 2011 3:32am by Mazra


Essentially. Journals are their own little world mostly.
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#75 May 19 2011 at 2:11 PM Rating: Good
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Mazra wrote:
I see, so posts in journals still get self-rated, but no ratings made in journals add to the personal karma score?

Edited, May 19th 2011 3:32am by Mazra


Essentially. Journals are their own little world mostly.
Hey now, I've been told that size doesn't matter. Smiley: bah
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Spoonless the Silent wrote:
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Mazra wrote:
I see, so posts in journals still get self-rated, but no ratings made in journals add to the personal karma score?

Edited, May 19th 2011 3:32am by Mazra


Essentially. Journals are their own little world mostly.
Hey now, I've been told that size doesn't matter. Smiley: bah

She lied...
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Kastigir wrote:
Spoonless the Silent wrote:
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Mazra wrote:
I see, so posts in journals still get self-rated, but no ratings made in journals add to the personal karma score?

Edited, May 19th 2011 3:32am by Mazra


Essentially. Journals are their own little world mostly.
Hey now, I've been told that size doesn't matter. Smiley: bah

She lied...


Yes she did.

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