shadowrelm wrote:
you should watch farenheight 911 and also the movie syeriana. while more,s conclusion of the facts is certainly biased, the facts he presented are just that, facts.
Lol... You're right! We should all get our information about political events by watching movies about them...
Go check out the
Bowling for Truth site for a detailed and step by step analysis of just how wrong both Moore's conclusions and his methods are.
I just find it histerical that you actually advocate that people obtain information by watching films. You are aware that films on a topic are by their nature biased, right?
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the oil industry and our government has been cultivating ties with Saudi Arabia since the discovery of oil there in 1936. spending billions to buy our way into the largest supply of energy on the planet.
And that's bad how? Are you arguing that our industries should make no attempt to secure resources for us? Sounds like exactly what they *should* be doing...
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at the same time, spending billions to make sure WE have the favor of Saudi Arabia and not our competitors, China and Russia. the whole Russian/Afganistan thing was just an extension of OUR effort to prevent our potential enemy,s from getting a foot hold in the middle east. WE helped inflame religious gronds to make the people rise up against Russia, even though Russia had full permisssion of the leaders in Afganistan at the time.
funny how that is hurting us now, isnt it?
Seems like it worked though, right? If your theory is correct, then we did exactly what we intended to do. I'm still not sure how you can seriously argue that even though we buy only a small percentage of oil from the middle east that we're somehow also "hogging" it from the rest of the world, but again, that's our government acting on behalf of us. Ever wonder why gas costs about half as much in the US as in the rest of the industrialized world? Hmmm...
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the oil industry, and thus the political puppets whose pockets are lined with oil industry lobiest dollars, would sell your airports to them too if it gained them any more leverage to securing some more black gold.
Considering that the oil industry doesn't own the airports, I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. It does remind me of my favorite commedian quote though:
"You think that baby is cute? Well, you do know that baby would strangle you to death for a cookie if it could...".
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the Bush familey has long standing ties with the Saudi royal familey, on both a personel level and a professional level. something More pointed out in his film.
So do many other political groups/families/etc. You are aware that the Clintons and most of their staff was on the board of the Carlyle Group back in the 90s, right? It's incredibly blind thinking that makes you assume that *only* the Bush family is involved with Saudi interests. The fact is that there are more traceable US policy changes that can be directly attributed to Clinton action on behalf of the Saudi's then there are of Bush doing the same.
But you don't seem to ever notice that do you?
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now lets take a look:
Bush is from big oil
Rice is from big oil
Cheney is from big oil
What do you mean "from big oil"? Isn't that a vague statement?
The fact that Bush's family owned and operated a very small oil company has *zero* to do with anything. Big business has interests and lobbys government on behalf of those interests. That happens regardless of what the backrounds of the politicians in question are. If anything, someone with a backround "in oil" is more likely to spot an unreasonble request then someone who isn't. The whole thing is ridiculous.
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and some of you idiots cant figure out how a muslim country, where 9 of the 11 people who killed thousands in New York came from somehow managed to get in controll of 6 major shipping ports in the U.S.?
Are you now claiming that 9 out of the 11 terrorists involved in the 9/11 attacks were from the United Arab Emirates? Weren't you saying that about Saudi Arabia before this issue came up? If the UAE was such a huge threat, why is it that you have *never* mentioned that country in connection with terrorism until now?
Sounds more to me like it's an arab country, and therefore in your mind they're all the same, so it's "bad"...
Yeah. And liberals are all about equality and not discriminating against people. Gotta love mass hypocricy...
Do you know anything about the Dubai Ports World corporation? Do you know how many ports around the world they manage? Do you know how many countries they manage ports for? Do you know their track record? Do you know what exactly is involved in terms of their power with the ports (ie: It's not security for one!)?
My bet is that you don't know any of those things. But because the company is an arab company, that's enough for you to say it's bad. Yeah. Let's not actually look at the facts. It's enough that they're arab!
And you are trying to say it's because of the conservatives that some Arabs hate us? Ever think it's this thinly veiled bigotry that flys out of the so called "liberal thinkers" in the US that is to blame? They're good enough for us to buy oil from, but not good enough to be business partners.
Sounds a lot like Black people being good enough to vote for us, and good enough to provide services for, but not good enough to sit in our cabinet offices, or hold any position of power in our government. Sound familiar? That's the hypocricy of the Left for you. It's not about equality or fairness. It's about convincing people of those things, while they ***** over everyone who isn't white and wealthy... But they've got you and other's like you so twisted around you actually think this is done by the conservatives... Laughable...