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#1 Feb 08 2011 at 3:17 PM Rating: Excellent
...assuming it was a butt-hurt pseudo-intellectual from Southern California that got the thread locked, does this have any impact on your views of said whiny prick?
#2 Feb 08 2011 at 3:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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No, as he has already show how big a prick he is.

I got a hug and rate up though for you.
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#3 Feb 08 2011 at 3:23 PM Rating: Good
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I thought he had thicker skin, but then again, he's probably viewing it as some sort of slippery slope where if they repeat it enough times, people will start to believe it about him.
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#4 Feb 08 2011 at 3:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Accusing someone of being a rapist in written form is just incredably stupid unless you have evidence to back up such a claim. And even then, you should go to the police with it, not post it in public. If he chooses to persue a lawsuit over that, he would win damages.
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#5 Feb 08 2011 at 3:26 PM Rating: Good
I can't help but wonder if we'll get a new filter for that word like we have for the other word that shall not be typed on pain of being banned. Again.

NOTE: The above was not a joke expressly or implicitly aimed at any individual living or dead and should not be construed as such for the purposes of moderation. Had it been an actual joke, aimed at an individual I would have tried harder to make it funny.
#6 Feb 08 2011 at 3:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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#7 Feb 08 2011 at 3:28 PM Rating: Good
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Accusing someone of being a rapist in written form is just incredably stupid unless you have evidence to back up such a claim. And even then, you should go to the police with it, not post it in public. If he chooses to persue a lawsuit over that, he would win damages.

Granted, BT isn't what I'd call a rocket scientist. It really has nothing to do with it, though. Legal Liability and Karma rarely intertwine themselves.
#8 Feb 08 2011 at 3:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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I can't help but wonder if we'll get a new filter for that word like we have for the other word that shall not be typed on pain of being banned. Again.

NOTE: The above was not a joke expressly or implicitly aimed at any individual living or dead and should not be construed as such for the purposes of moderation. Had it been an actual joke, aimed at an individual I would have tried harder to make it funny.


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#9 Feb 08 2011 at 3:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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If he chooses to persue a lawsuit over that, he would win damages.

(A) I'm not sure how actionable "Anonymous person A said something about anonymous person B" would prove but I guess it'd be Anonymous Person B's dollar to spend on a lawyer and find out. I heard that Niobia knows a guy.

(B) I hope Anonymous Person B enjoys the $2.47 and gently used bong he receives in damages.

Edited, Feb 8th 2011 3:30pm by Jophiel
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#10 Feb 08 2011 at 3:33 PM Rating: Good
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#11 Feb 08 2011 at 3:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Once it gets to the point of a formal complaint that could result in a lawsuit, I have to lock it, otherwise zam could be brought in for negligince in preserving evidnce of a crime. Regardless of the likelyhood or eventual dolar value of a lawsuit. Same thing with threats of violence, etc.
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#12 Feb 08 2011 at 3:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not faulting you. I'm laughing at Anonymous Person B hulkraging out over a comment that would have been otherwise ignored and now turning it into part of the rich tapestry that is =4's collective memory.
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#13 Feb 08 2011 at 3:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Once it gets to the point of a formal complaint that could result in a lawsuit, I have to lock it, otherwise zam could be brought in for negligince in preserving evidnce of a crime. Regardless of the likelyhood or eventual dolar value of a lawsuit. Same thing with threats of violence, etc.

So, we're still free to assume the identity of the complainant and mock that person vigorously for years to come?
#14 Feb 08 2011 at 4:55 PM Rating: Default
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I'm not faulting you. I'm laughing at Anonymous Person B hulkraging out over a comment that would have been otherwise ignored and now turning it into part of the rich tapestry that is =4's collective memory.


Nice mis-characterization. I'm not "hulkraging" about it at all. However, I did feel that the comment was well beyond the normal level of banter and innuendo on this thread. She wasn't making a joking comment. She specifically singled out my user name on this forum as an example of someone who'd committed a specific criminal act. I gave her the opportunity to retract the statement, and she choose to blow it off instead.

I thought about not bothering to report it anyway, but as Ugly pointed out, there is a slippery slope aspect to this. If I don't stand up and say something, then that label does get applied and accepted, and I'm not going to accept that. Ever. Honestly, the post that made the decision clear for me was Ari saying that it was somehow perfectly natural for the label to be applied to me because of my differing views on the topic itself.

The legal issue is very real. I post on this site, often from work. I don't make a habit of telling people at work what my posting name is (or even that I post here), but there are certainly some people I know both privately and professionally who could quite easily put things together. In the world of public opinion, not denying something is the same as admitting it. While I do tend to have a thick skin and don't let posts bother me, I felt that this particular post went well over the line.


And on a personal note, the accusation made is so far beyond acceptable to me that it's hard for me to put into words. Let's just say that it's painful to me to have someone make that accusation, and leave it at that.

The reason I hold the position I do on the issue of date rape is not because I don't care, but because I do. The use of the label "rape" as a political tool is offensive to me. When you have some feminists handing out pamphlets and giving rape awareness seminars on college campuses teaching young women that it's rape if the guy gave her a single drink prior to sex (and using that criteria to collect statistics on rape in order to highlight how prevalent it is on college campuses), it cheapens the issue in the name of a sad political agenda. Those who've seen the effects of forcible rape first hand should all be offended by this. Yet, for some, it's a big freaking joke. It shouldn't be though.
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#15 Feb 08 2011 at 5:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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I thought about not bothering to report it anyway, but as Ugly pointed out, there is a slippery slope aspect to this. If I don't stand up and say something, then that label does get applied and accepted, and I'm not going to accept that. Ever.

Throwing a big hissy fit about it was definitely the way to make everyone forget that the post was ever made and avoid it becoming part of your forum persona. Good job!

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When you have some feminists handing out pamphlets and giving rape awareness seminars on college campuses teaching young women that it's rape if the guy gave her a single drink prior to sex (and using that criteria to collect statistics on rape in order to highlight how prevalent it is on college campuses), it cheapens the issue in the name of a sad political agenda.

But when you say that a girl who was drugged and raped is just probably some lying ***** out to get that sweet federal abortion money, it's treating what happened to her with respect and dignity and doesn't at all cheapen the event.

Right! Way to take the moral high ground!
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#16 Feb 08 2011 at 5:18 PM Rating: Excellent
What a joke.

I've been called a rapist on this site more times than I can count, and this is my formal complaint. I want every instance removed and the threads locked or I consider you complicit in the slander of my good posting name, Kao, and I will take you to internet court and win.



#17 Feb 08 2011 at 5:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Throwing a big hissy fit about it was definitely the way to make everyone forget that the post was ever made and avoid it becoming part of your forum persona. Good job!


I didn't make a hissy fit about it. I quite reasonably asked her to retract the statement and apologize for making it, since it was a groundless accusation.

I'll also point out that the very fact that she was willing to so cavalierly make the accusation in the first place, somewhat proves my point on the issue, doesn't it?

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But when you say that a girl who was drugged and raped is just probably some lying ***** out to get that sweet federal abortion money...


I didn't say that though. Other people claimed that was what I was saying, just as you are now.
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#18 Feb 08 2011 at 5:25 PM Rating: Good
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What a joke.

I've been called a rapist on this site more times than I can count, and this is my formal complaint. I want every instance removed and the threads locked or I consider you complicit in the slander of my good posting name, Kao, and I will take you to internet court and win.





It's like =4's own Godwin's Law.

I can't think of a good name for it.
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I didn't make a hissy fit about it. I quite reasonably asked her to retract the statement and apologize for making it, since it was a groundless accusation.

Reasonably threatening her? :D

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I didn't say that though. Other people claimed that was what I was saying, just as you are now.

When asked why a woman who was drugged and raped wasn't eligible for aid in your eyes, you replied:
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Because any woman can claim to have been forced to have sex because some unnamed man aimed a death ray at her and told her to have sex with him.

If you want to spin that as anything beyond "Women who have been drugged and raped shouldn't get aid because we should assume that they're lying chicks who got knocked up and just want free money", knock yourself out. You're obviously starting with the presumption of "She's a liar" since your initial response is "No money for you!" As I said, way to respect the rape victim there as you wring your hands, cry your crocodile tears and say "But I'm sooooo worried about cheapening rape!"

Stay classy.

Edited, Feb 8th 2011 5:28pm by Jophiel
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#20 Feb 08 2011 at 5:29 PM Rating: Good
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Throwing a big hissy fit about it was definitely the way to make everyone forget that the post was ever made and avoid it becoming part of your forum persona. Good job!


I didn't make a hissy fit about it. I quite reasonably asked her to retract the statement and apologize for making it, since it was a groundless accusation.


On the internet, in response to an insult made toward your made-up screen-name, that's a fUcking hissy-fit, dipsh*t. Besides, you post enough incendiary bullsh*t about sex assault and eventually you're going to get called on your misogyny, duder. It's to be expected.

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I'll also point out that the very fact that she was willing to so cavalierly make the accusation in the first place, somewhat proves my point on the issue, doesn't it?


If your point was that you're overly sensitive about being called a rapist and incredibly easy to troll, then yeah, I guess so.


Edited, Feb 8th 2011 3:31pm by Barkingturtle
#21 Feb 08 2011 at 5:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Would have never noticed that sentence in the previous thread had the forum's largest spotlight not been pointed directly at it.

I'll make sure to never forget this now and how hilarious the degree of hypocritical butthurt is.
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I'll also point out that the very fact that she was willing to so cavalierly make the accusation in the first place, somewhat proves my point on the issue, doesn't it?


So this is just a political anti-feminist act? Heaven forbid a woman accuses you of rape, you'll sue her for slander?

I'm the one furthering my political agenda with rape?

I was gonna post how I think it's so amusing how Barkingturtle can post something 100x more awful than I do in a thread when it riles someone up, yet they're still butthurt that I instigated it. Now I see it's just a big song and dance because you don't have any other good comeback to my post, and you're just gonna go around in circles again with the rape argument.

Also, if I were you, I'd be much more embarrassed about the things I myself posted instead of something someone said about me in passing. Chances are this blow to your ***** now will be sustained on this board for a long while.

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#23 Feb 08 2011 at 5:35 PM Rating: Good
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Dear Mark,

If some feminists are using such lax (and I agree fraudulent) terms for date rape, then that's not ok. But to dislike that extreme wrong end of a spectrum isn't any excuse to sit up the other extreme wrong end of a spectrum. I'm pretty certain Guenny was deliberately offensive as possible, in a moment of outrage because she, like me, was vastly offended and disturbed by Gbaji's definition of what is rape, what isn't rape, and what shouldn't be defined as rape "just in case" someone wants to cry wolf.

Given that defendants are assumed to be innocent until proof is reasonably confirmed, the number of innocent men wrongly accused and suffering under the slander is heavily outweighed by raped men and women who don't have enough proof to bring a successful rape case to trial.

In the west over the last hundred years statics heavily suggest that 95% of raped men and women never secure a conviction against their rapist. These are not "feminist" statistics, but statistics prevalent in the legal profession. Things ought to be getting better with better forensics, but the sad reality is that the adversarial nature of western legal systems means that rape trials are so harrowing that even contemporary legal representatives advise clients not to burden themselves with the extra trauma, or victims themselves choose not to go through with trials even when begged to do so by representatives and authorities concerned with rapists walking free.
#24 Feb 08 2011 at 5:36 PM Rating: Default
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Wow. Just wow.

You guys realize that you're attacking a guy for having the audacity to speak up after being falsely accused of committing rape.

Game. Set. Match.
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Wow. Just wow.

You guys realize that you're attacking a guy for having the audacity to speak up after being falsely accused of committing rape.

Game. Set. Match.


Kao, I want this thread locked because gbaji falsely threatened me with a lawsuit to further his political agenda.

I will see you at Judge Joe Brown.
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gbaji wrote:
Wow. Just wow.

You guys realize that you're attacking a guy for having the audacity to speak up after being falsely accused of committing rape.

Game. Set. Match.
Precisely. Was a bit of a "wat" moment when I went back to read what had caused the thread to get locked, but your initial (and continual) response to the perceived severity of the quote was hilarious.

Edited, Feb 8th 2011 5:42pm by bsphil
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