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#327gbaji, Posted: Nov 30 2011 at 4:09 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Why? Because she was black, female, and conservative? And by "tearing her down", I assume you approve of a political cartoon depicting her as a house negro complete with nappy hair, no shoes, speaking stereotypically bad English, and eating corn on the cob (or watermelon, don't remember which)? And I assume you see no double standard when the bulk of the liberal organizations who would normally raise a stinkstorm over something like that just turned away and remained silent? I'm not a fan of political correctness, but if that's your thing you should really be consistent about it (and no, I'm not talking about *you* personally). The idea that for some, racism is now not just defined within the context of race itself, but apparently also political affiliation is just icing on the hypocrisy cake.
#328 Nov 30 2011 at 4:14 PM Rating: Excellent
So, disapproving of the job she did is the same to you as someone making a racist cartoon of her? Uh huh...
#329 Nov 30 2011 at 4:21 PM Rating: Default
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Technogeek wrote:
So, disapproving of the job she did is the same to you as someone making a racist cartoon of her? Uh huh...


Huh!? That's some warped thought process you've got going on here. Um... No, racist cartoons of her are an example of the "media tearing her down".
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#330 Nov 30 2011 at 4:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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Technogeek wrote:
So, disapproving of the job she did is the same to you as someone making a racist cartoon of her? Uh huh...
You've really gotta scrap at the bottom of the barrel to take political cartoons serious. Not like there aren't ones of Obama being portrayed as a suicide bomber.

Edited, Nov 30th 2011 5:24pm by lolgaxe
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#331 Nov 30 2011 at 4:26 PM Rating: Excellent
gbaji wrote:
Technogeek wrote:
So, disapproving of the job she did is the same to you as someone making a racist cartoon of her? Uh huh...


Huh!? That's some warped thought process you've got going on here. Um... No, racist cartoons of her are an example of the "media tearing her down".


Uh huh... Got a link? An example? I don't recall this cartoon of yours, but it seems heavy in your mind.

And you're the one that build the "racist cartoon = tearing someone down" link, not me.
#332gbaji, Posted: Nov 30 2011 at 4:39 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) 1. I suspect there's a difference between a local SC newspaper and the NYT and Washington Post in terms of scope and whatnot.
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Technogeek wrote:
So, disapproving of the job she did is the same to you as someone making a racist cartoon of her? Uh huh...


gbaji wrote:
Huh!? That's some warped thought process you've got going on here. Um... No, racist cartoons of her are an example of the "media tearing her down".


gbaji wrote:
I assume you approve of ...(racist cartoon)


Who's got the warped thought process here?


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#334 Nov 30 2011 at 4:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
The cartoon you linked is clearly listing Obama policies and labeling them as political suicide.
Yeah, it has nothing to do with him being Muslim. I'm sure you could find someone stupider than you to believe that, but it won't be here. Smiley: laugh

Edit: Edit is where you go back to add, delete, or change things. I know you have a hard time with these things ...
gbaji wrote:
1. I suspect there's a difference between a local SC newspaper and the NYT and Washington Post in terms of scope and whatnot.

2. There's also a huge difference between simply portraying someone stereotypically based on their race (and nothing else) and lampooning their actions.
Just to see you continue to prove me right in just how stupid you are, here's one from the New York Times depicting Obama as a chimp. Your predictable reply is going to state that it isn't Obama.

Edit2: That means this is the second edit. Don't say I don't try to help the mentally disabled.

My point is: lolpolitical cartoons. That simple enough for you to understand? Do I need to point out that "lol" stands for "laugh out loud," and is generally used as a quick means to imply great mirth?

Edited, Nov 30th 2011 5:56pm by lolgaxe
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gbaji wrote:
Why? Because she was black, female, and conservative?

Because she was at best ineffective and, at worst, incompetent. But great work diving for the race AND gender card Smiley: laugh

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And by "tearing her down", I assume you approve of a political cartoon depicting her as a house negro complete with nappy hair, no shoes, speaking stereotypically bad English, and eating corn on the cob (or watermelon, don't remember which)?

If you want to link to it, I'll be happy to disparage it. If you want to use it as evidence as some widespread media tear down, I assume you have more to back that up.
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#336 Nov 30 2011 at 5:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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#337 Nov 30 2011 at 6:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:

3. My point is about the inconsistency with which prominent black people (and women) are viewed by the bulk of the media based apparently solely on their political orientation.
The left leaning media makes fun of pubbies, black and white. The right leaning media makes fun of dems, black and white. That's what they do.

You're not only charging that the media is a left-wing conspiracy, as usual [:loony:], but that they're also predujice against black people, but only republican ones. Do you see how utterly stupid you look?



Edited, Dec 1st 2011 1:47am by Elinda
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#338 Dec 01 2011 at 6:49 AM Rating: Excellent
gbaji wrote:
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Yeah, Varus said the same thing. Maybe you have a better view than I do from your cross Smiley: grin

That said, if the media did tear her down, she deserved it.


Why? Because she was black, female, and conservative? And by "tearing her down", I assume you approve of a political cartoon depicting her as a house negro complete with nappy hair, no shoes, speaking stereotypically bad English, and eating corn on the cob (or watermelon, don't remember which)? And I assume you see no double standard when the bulk of the liberal organizations who would normally raise a stinkstorm over something like that just turned away and remained silent? I'm not a fan of political correctness, but if that's your thing you should really be consistent about it (and no, I'm not talking about *you* personally). The idea that for some, racism is now not just defined within the context of race itself, but apparently also political affiliation is just icing on the hypocrisy cake.


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gbaji wrote:
Technogeek wrote:
So, disapproving of the job she did is the same to you as someone making a racist cartoon of her? Uh huh...


Huh!? That's some warped thought process you've got going on here. Um... No, racist cartoons of her are an example of the "media tearing her down".


Uh huh... Got a link? An example? I don't recall this cartoon of yours, but it seems heavy in your mind.

And you're the one that build the "racist cartoon = tearing someone down" link, not me.
Well, I went through 25 pages of google image search and couldn't find this comic or anything like it. I guess it's possible that it actually existed, but I'm just guessing that gbaji just made the fucking thing up.
#339 Dec 01 2011 at 7:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, I went through 25 pages of google image search and couldn't find this comic or anything like it. I guess it's possible that it actually existed, but I'm just guessing that gbaji just made the fucking thing up.


I think he just remembered incorrectly. His original comment was:
gbaji wrote:
I assume you approve of a political cartoon depicting her as a house negro complete with nappy hair, no shoes, speaking stereotypically bad English, and eating corn on the cob (or watermelon, don't remember which)

But judging by the "The Condoleeza "gone with the wind" cartoon was just about her being black" comment, heads to tails he's referring to Jeff Danziger's "Gone with the Wind" cartoon of her:

Rice racism? gbaji think so


Note the following: first, there is no nappy hair, corn on the cob, or watermelon, which makes me think that gbaji remembered this as much more racist than it is. Feel free to armchair psychoanalyze as to why THAT would be Smiley: rolleyes. Next,
gbaji wrote:
I suspect there's a difference between a local SC newspaper and the NYT and Washington Post in terms of scope and whatnot.

Danziger worked for the LA Times, not the NY Times. If his cartoon was put there (and I can't find a record of it, but maybe it happened?), it would be as an editorial. You're welcome to find evidence of that, as I couldn't on any of Danziger's pages.
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The Condoleeza "gone with the wind" cartoon was just about her being black.

Aluminum tubes are a black thing, now I see! Smiley: nod No, the cartoon was about her not understanding an issue, and then having to correct herself. The setting of the cartoon, however, was likely picked because of her race (note: Danziger said he got the idea from an African-American friend. Not that that would make it any more appropriate). But that's definitely not "just about her being black."
gbaji wrote:
Hence my earlier comment that her biggest failure wasn't anything to do with her advice or actions, but with simply being black, female, and conservative.

I agree with Elinda here: "You're not only charging that the media is a left-wing conspiracy, as usual, but that they're also predujice against black people, but only republican ones. Do you see how utterly stupid you look?"

Edited, Dec 1st 2011 8:16am by LockeColeMA
#340 Dec 01 2011 at 7:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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Do you see how utterly stupid you look?
If he ever did, there would be a cheap apartment in Maine with a small table knocked over and a ceiling beam with 'GBAJI WAS HERE' carved into it.





Too vague of a reference?
#341 Dec 01 2011 at 7:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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If he ever did, there would be a cheap apartment in Maine with a small table knocked over and a ceiling beam with 'GBAJI WAS HERE' carved into it.





Too vague of a reference?

Red was too.
#342 Dec 01 2011 at 8:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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Point (A): For sake of argument, let's say the cartoon shown above was in poor taste. I can see an argument for that. I don't think it's anywhere near what Gbaji claimed but, sure, I'll agree there's a racial component to it that folks might find off putting. That singular event doesn't show any media-wide (even among the major players) attempt to "tear down" Ms. Rice.

Point (B): Corn on the cob is "black food" now?

Point (C): If "the media" or "the Democrats" or "the liberals" actually were behind this and took down Cain before the primaries and helped clear the field for the more electable Romney (or, hell, Gingrich), they're all brain damaged. What they would have done was wait for Cain to hit the general election and then blow his electability further with the stream of allegations spaced out weeks apart to keep the story omnipresent. If anyone was behind this as a conspiracy, it would be someone with a vested interest in knocking Cain out before Iowa... say, someone who would immediately benefit from a potential front-running rival getting bad press.

But that whole crying about how the media is keeping the black conservative man down is good too, I guess.

Edited, Dec 1st 2011 8:08am by Jophiel
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#343 Dec 01 2011 at 8:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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Point (B): Corn on the cob is "black food" now?
Everyone knows that Miles Standish and all of the Native Americans were black.
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#345 Dec 01 2011 at 8:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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#346REDACTED, Posted: Dec 01 2011 at 8:47 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
#347 Dec 01 2011 at 8:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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These tactics of paying women to make false accusations wouldn't work if he was already the candidate.
So we're adding tactician to the list of things you aren't qualified as.
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As Stephanapolous interviews these victims of the lecherous and adulterous Hermie.

Sure. They're in the news. That's his job.

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So this is interesting. I was looking for an example closer to what Gbaji insisted was being published and there's two examples anyone ever talks about. One is the above cartoon. About it, the cartoonist writes:
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The cartoon in question did indeed show Ms. Rice in the role of Prissy from the classic film 'Gone with the Wind'. I have indeed apologized for the use of that imagery. The film itself was full of racist stereotypes since it was made in 1937 and was intended to amuse white viewers. But the instances in the movie are so ingrained in American culture, and indeed world culture, that I used it without full thought. I draw several hundred cartoons a year and this one was an error. Except for the right-wing bloggers in this country, seeking to score some points about liberal racism, the cartoon was unpublished, and was withdrawn by me.
(bolding mine - quote from this site)

So that's not much of a strike against the evil liberal media empire. The second is this cartoon. The argument there I suppose would be over her lips (since she's not eating corn on the cob(??) or nappy headed). If you think the mere fact that she's a parrot is racist, this is the woman who was National Security Adviser during Bush's first term and ran on board the Iraqi War Train. Still, I'm happy to call Oliphant a 'tard although we're back again to "one specific cartoon doesn't really show a media-wide effort to tear down someone (over their race)".

Edited, Dec 1st 2011 1:17pm by Jophiel
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#350 Dec 01 2011 at 1:27 PM Rating: Excellent
ITT: Varrus doesn't realize that Cain peeked and fizzled and he's supposed to be defending The Newt now.
#351 Dec 01 2011 at 1:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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These tactics of paying women to make false accusations .....

I'm assuming you have evidence to support this claim.
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