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So much wrong, I don't even care enough to bother.

Not nearly as interesting as calling things irrelevant when it suits you.

No. The largest barrier is the lack of time or money to obtain it. That's why we fund education, so that those who could not otherwise afford an education can receive at least enough to be contributing members of the work force. Having already decided to fund education, the next biggest barrier might be disengaged parents, but that has nothing to do with the decision to fund education in the first place.

NOW Gbaji has turned into Alma!

Name one that addresses the generational wealth that give white's an inherent advantage over the descendants of slaves whom don't have that advantage.

No one "relies" on AA. It's similar to charter school lotteries in that only the "luckiest" of minorities actually get to benefit from it. Any white's that feel disenfranchised because of AA, kindly take a gander at post #15 again.

Here's a link to a study from Ohio state. In it, they ask the very simple question: "How much would you need to be paid to live the rest of your life as black?"

Most answered at or under $10K.

In contrast, they said they'd need to be paid about $1 million to give up TV fo rthe rest of their lives.

I'm fine if any & all of you disagree with me, but what would you do to fix the problem?

Reparations strike me sort of like "Deport all the illegals" arguments. A shallow solution that sounds good for a half second before realizing that it's logistically impossible and time would be better spent on addressing the issue from a more systemic standpoint.

A person raised in a (white) home and taught that he can succeed through hard work and personal accomplishment will tend to believe he can do this no matter what his skin color (and statistics for black children raised in "white" homes tends to bear this out). But someone raised in a home where he is taught constantly to accept as assumed truth that he cannot succeed on his own, that the deck is stacked against him, and that no one will treat him fairly purely because of his skin color, will be more likely to blame any failure he encounters on racism, and be more likely to give up when faced with any sort of failure. So bad grades in school, failing to get that first job, boss telling him he needs to work harder, cops pulling him over, all end out being interpreted within the lens of racism he's been taught to see everywhere. How can we not expect this to affect his outlook on the world around him and ultimately his own outcomes?

I know it's unpopular, but I really do believe that the biggest cause of poverty and suffering by blacks in America is not white racism, but the actions of black leaders who seem to care more about using black suffering for their own benefit (and political ideology) than to actually do anything about that suffering. The cause is more important than the people in it. And that's why the people suffer.

Only because I know that you didn't actually read it, let me recap it for you.. It's EDUCATION!!! Giving someone money isn't going to address any of the historical disadvantages. Businesses can always hire the Mexicans to be their janitor, the women to be their secretory and the token Black/Asian person at some low level management to fulfill their race/sex quota. That doesn't solve the problem.

Affirmative action? Fuck no.

In Texas, we have a state law saying that if you are in the top 10% of your graduating class, then you get automatic admission to all Texas public colleges. They decided to implement this because the Texas legislature decided that there wasn't enough ethnic variety at Texas public schools.

Now, there is certainly more, say, inner-city kids at schools like UT, but we've run into the issue where schools are having to take only top 10% kids because after the kids they are required to take, they simply don't have the room to take anyone else.

The school I wanted to go to, University of Texas, even has had an exception made for them. This past year, they only had to take the top 8% of students, because they are quickly reaching overpopulation. They have ~50,000 students, and no room to grow, being in the middle of Austin. They only made the exception because they predicted that this past year 75% of students would be getting in for this top 10% rule.

Now, you're probably thinking this is fair. Everyone has a the same chance to be top 10% in their school, right? Wrong. I went to a very good public school. Ranked 98 in the country by Newsweek. You think the top 10% at my school, with a graduating class of about 1,000 students was, as easy to get as the top 10% in podunk West Texas? Hell no.

My GPA was 3.8. I was rank 300. Top third. That's it. I would be top 10% easy at many other schools in Texas. I was accepted to Baylor, SMU, and many other private schools that didn't have to deal with the top 10 rule. Do I think I would have been accepted at UT if the rule weren't in place? Maybe. I don't know. I'm not arrogant enough to say yes. But I will say that in Texas that rule is an example of affirmative action, and is completely unfair.

The law was even implemented because affirmative action in college admission is illegal. This was a freaking workaround.

So no, I don't' support affirmative action. All men are created equally? Then give us all an equal chance, for crap's sake.

Did you really just cite comedian Dave Chappelle as a reference to what would happen if you handed money out.?