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#202 Dec 02 2011 at 1:31 AM Rating: Good
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Wow, you people are horrible! How dare you mock and ridicule this poor little kid who clearly has a learning disability of some sort? At least he is putting forth some effort. Just because he can't organize the majority of his words into what most people would consider a comprehensible format is no reason to make fun. This misunderstood child that is so desperately seeking your approval the he quotes your positive comments and repeatedly posts poor emulations of you in misguided attempts to gain a glimmer of attention. You should all be ashamed of yourselves!

Preach on, "Alma"! I think you're totally rad above, too!

P.S. - Omega, I'm not sure what you mean by "generational wealth". I'm 3rd generation American of po' *** European descent. I'm going to assume you're White, so you must have tons of cash. If you or your crazy-rich parents could send me some I'd very much like to get in on this rich White guy legacy thing.

P.P.S. - Kelvy, if you could teach me some self-rape techniques that don't leave any marks I may have some interesting business opportunities to line up.

3.P.S. - I just recently learned that my sig is no longer ironic. What a sad day.
#203 Dec 02 2011 at 1:54 AM Rating: Good
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Except that's not true. And until we as a society stop focusing on that false assumption, we can't possibly hope to solve the problem.


Listen, I'm not saying that the only reason that blacks are still predominately poor is because they descended from slaves, but it is & has been a contributing factor. Furthermore, most white's don't even see it as a problem to solve so using "generational wealth" as something that's distracting us from the "real" problem is completely bogus.

The "real" problem, that we can do something about, is our economic policies that further exasperate the wealth inequality between blacks & whites.

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...the net worth of the typical African American family in 2007 was just 10 percent of the net worth of the typical white family — down from 12 percent in 2004. Put another way: For every $1 held by whites five years ago, blacks had 12 cents. Three years later, they had a dime.


It should be noted that these numbers are from before the recent economic collapse. Why did this happen?

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That the wealth disparity is so wide is largely attributable to prejudiced policies both public and private. Advocates and academics point out that some of the largest federal benefit programs of the last century propped up whites but largely excluded minorities. The Federal Housing Administration, for example, provided $120 billion in low-interest mortgage loans beginning in the 1930s, yet less than 2 percent went to minorities before 1962, Liu found. And the Depression-era Home Owners’ Loan Corporation, created to modify mortgages to prevent foreclosures, benefited no minorities whatsoever, she said.

More recently, Harvard University discovered that, among blacks and whites of similar incomes, lenders targeted blacks more often for sub-prime loans, even when those minority borrowers were eligible for less risky arrangements.


So, we need to change some economic policies to start. Ending the Bush tax cuts would certainly help, but rest assured that won't happen so the income gap will keep widening between the races.

Throw some money into low-income education though it might benefit a black persons income over their lifetime, give them a slight chance to increase the wealth they pass onto their descendants, & will help ease the white man's burden.

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#204 Dec 02 2011 at 5:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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Wow, you people are horrible! How dare you mock and ridicule this poor little kid who clearly has a learning disability of some sort? At least he is putting forth some effort. Just because he can't organize the majority of his words into what most people would consider a comprehensible format is no reason to make fun. This misunderstood child that is so desperately seeking your approval the he quotes your positive comments and repeatedly posts poor emulations of you in misguided attempts to gain a glimmer of attention. You should all be ashamed of yourselves!

Preach on, "Alma"! I think you're totally rad above, too!

P.S. - Omega, I'm not sure what you mean by "generational wealth". I'm 3rd generation American of po' *** European descent. I'm going to assume you're White, so you must have tons of cash. If you or your crazy-rich parents could send me some I'd very much like to get in on this rich White guy legacy thing.

P.P.S. - Kelvy, if you could teach me some self-rape techniques that don't leave any marks I may have some interesting business opportunities to line up.

3.P.S. - I just recently learned that my sig is no longer ironic. What a sad day.

Look what the cat dragged in.
#205 Dec 02 2011 at 7:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Kelvyquayo wrote:
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So you people think that descendants of African-American slaves would have been better off in Africa?
Smiley: lol ridiculous

I'd take MLKJr Blvd over any street in Liberia.

Edited, Dec 1st 2011 1:36am by Kelvyquayo


Is that before or after Europe raped Africa?

In any case, I would rather be "poor" in Africa over being your slave any day of the week. Being "poor" is a part of life for most, being physically abused and dehumanized isn't. Jus' sayin'.



You do know that all races have been enslaving all other races since the dawn of time, right?

You know what happened when freed slaves were allowed to go back to Africa? They ENSLAVED the natives. Not to mention that African warlords had a huge part in the "Triangle" of slave trade as well.
And don't start about "they learned it from Europeans". A race of people doesn't need another race to teach them how to rape themselves.

And I am in NO way saying that to be a slave is somehow preferable to being poor. Wealth in a society doesn't necessarily equate to happiness in a society anyway. It's pretty relative. I'm saying that reparations are nonsensical for a great number of reasons.
To single out American descendants of slaves (not that that is even possible anyway) for compensation ignores all of the other races and cultures that have been ****** over since the dawn of time.
It's time to start looking ahead for solutions instead if digging up skeletons and expecting it to accomplish something.

Not that this debate isn't a total farce anyway as we all know it's never ever going to happen.

As far as affirmative action; that's a lot more than just blacks obviously; to couple it with an argument about reparations is being totally disingenuous to the real issue of prejudice.




I wasn't denying anything that you have said. My comment was in reference to your implication that Africans were better off being enslaved, because NOW THEY'RE AMURICAN! As opposed to being African.

As you pointed out, everyone had a "bad history", but you know how many of them came to the U.S? Voluntarily, not enslaved.

#206 Dec 02 2011 at 7:50 AM Rating: Good
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Kelvyquayo wrote:
So you people think that descendants of African-American slaves would have been better off in Africa?
Smiley: lol ridiculous

I've skimmed most of this thread and never saw it turn towards Africa. The topic is about blacks, in the US, being disadvantaged.

Let me rephrase Alma /= you people.





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#207 Dec 02 2011 at 7:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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It should be noted that these numbers are from before the recent economic collapse. Why did this happen?

Bush hates black people.
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#208 Dec 02 2011 at 8:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Jacob wrote:
Wow, you people are horrible! How dare you mock and ridicule this poor little kid who clearly has a learning disability of some sort? At least he is putting forth some effort. Just because he can't organize the majority of his words into what most people would consider a comprehensible format is no reason to make fun. This misunderstood child that is so desperately seeking your approval the he quotes your positive comments and repeatedly posts poor emulations of you in misguided attempts to gain a glimmer of attention. You should all be ashamed of yourselves!


I know that I shouldn't even waste my time responding to such an amateurish derision, but we can certainly play this game. Don't let your ignorance and stupidity lead you to think that you're worth anything in life. You're obviously a bandwagon poster who's completely clueless on what's going on and felt the need to recycle comments to "fit in". I mean, unless you truly believe the typo "rad" is any indication of logic.

If you're unable to understand my words, then maybe that's a clue that my intellect is peerless to you. So, if it makes you feel special, then go ahead and hold on to that tenacious thought of me being somewhat inferior to you in any way shape or form.

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So, we need to change some economic policies to start. Ending the Bush tax cuts would certainly help, but rest assured that won't happen so the income gap will keep widening between the races.

Throw some money into low-income education though it might benefit a black persons income over their lifetime, give them a slight chance to increase the wealth they pass onto their descendants, & will help ease the white man's burden.


No feasible and logical amount of money will ever close the gap of "generational wealth". It's truly sad that you think money is the answer.

If the people don't have the knowledge, motivation and goals to be something in life, they will fail, no matter how much money they have.

"Throwing some money into low-income education" as opposed to refocusing the education is the exact reason how the education system fails.
#209 Dec 02 2011 at 8:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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If the people don't have the knowledge, motivation and goals to be something in life, they will fail, no matter how much money they have.

"Throwing some money into low-income education" as opposed to refocusing the education is the exact reason how the education system fails.
How would you 'refocus' the education?
#210 Dec 02 2011 at 8:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Don't let your ignorance and stupidity lead you to think that you're worth anything in life.
That's as adorable as a litter of fluffy kittens in one of those twenty minute ASPCA Sarah Mclachlan commercials.
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#211 Dec 02 2011 at 8:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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Don't let your ignorance and stupidity lead you to think that you're worth anything in life.
That's as adorable as a litter of fluffy kittens in one of those twenty minute ASPCA Sarah Mclachlan commercials.
It's also as sad as all the beaten and starved dogs in same said commercial.
#212 Dec 02 2011 at 9:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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Almalieque wrote:
Jacob wrote:
Wow, you people are horrible! How dare you mock and ridicule this poor little kid who clearly has a learning disability of some sort? At least he is putting forth some effort. Just because he can't organize the majority of his words into what most people would consider a comprehensible format is no reason to make fun. This misunderstood child that is so desperately seeking your approval the he quotes your positive comments and repeatedly posts poor emulations of you in misguided attempts to gain a glimmer of attention. You should all be ashamed of yourselves!


I know that I shouldn't even waste my time responding to such an amateurish derision, but we can certainly play this game. Don't let your ignorance and stupidity lead you to think that you're worth anything in life. You're obviously a bandwagon poster who's completely clueless on what's going on and felt the need to recycle comments to "fit in". I mean, unless you truly believe the typo "rad" is any indication of logic.

JD is an old poster that's come home to roost. We like him. Unlike you.
#213 Dec 02 2011 at 9:39 AM Rating: Good
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P.P.S. - Kelvy, if you could teach me some self-rape techniques that don't leave any marks I may have some interesting business opportunities to line up.


I'll email you the pics tonight! Keep them secret, keep them safe..
good to see you, man, ya sick bastage
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#214 Dec 02 2011 at 10:06 AM Rating: Good
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#215 Dec 02 2011 at 11:20 AM Rating: Default
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Bringing me back to owning land and people...classic thanks for that.

ps id like you to send me a new keyboard, something cheezy is fine this one has coffee in it now. I think we need an Acronym for swallow whats in your mouth SWIYM?
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I think we need an Acronym for swallow whats in your mouth SWIYM?

You want the DADT thread. Or maybe the virgin one.

Edited, Dec 2nd 2011 11:46am by Jophiel
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#217 Dec 02 2011 at 11:57 AM Rating: Decent
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I think we need an Acronym for swallow whats in your mouth SWIYM?

You want the DADT thread. Or maybe the virgin one.

Edited, Dec 2nd 2011 11:46am by Jophiel


HAHAHA **** my keyboard will be a sticky mess when I get home from work now. (because of the sugar in my coffee you sicko's).
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#218 Dec 02 2011 at 11:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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sugar in my coffee


Well there's your problem right there. Smiley: wink
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#219 Dec 02 2011 at 12:01 PM Rating: Default
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sugar in my coffee


Well there's your problem right there. Smiley: wink


old habits die hard, I can drink black coffee, but ive just been making coffee with a spoon of sugar for over 10 years and well it is just automatic now.
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#220 Dec 02 2011 at 3:49 PM Rating: Good
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I know that I shouldn't even waste my time responding to such an amateurish derision, but we can certainly play this game. Don't let your ignorance and stupidity lead you to think that you're worth anything in life. You're obviously a bandwagon poster who's completely clueless on what's going on and felt the need to recycle comments to "fit in". I mean, unless you truly believe the typo "rad" is any indication of logic.

If you're unable to understand my words, then maybe that's a clue that my intellect is peerless to you. So, if it makes you feel special, then go ahead and hold on to that tenacious thought of me being somewhat inferior to you in any way shape or form.

Don't worry; the impulse control will come with age. I understand your words just fine. I have a six year old with about the same grasp of the English language so I'm fairly accustomed to deciphering what you kids **** on a page.

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No feasible and logical amount of money will ever close the gap of "generational wealth". It's truly sad that you think money is the answer.

If the people don't have the knowledge, motivation and goals to be something in life, they will fail, no matter how much money they have.
Right, because the practical application of which would be used for a purpose other than the accumulation of wealth. I'd also disagree with your inference that "the people" (and by "the people", I assume you mean "those people" {and by "those people" I mean "black" people}) are ignorant, lazy under-achievers.

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While he makes a mildly amusing observation, in my experience it is grossly exaggerated. I'm white and I'm not rich. I can't even afford a Lexus! My BMW is already four years old and I've still got $24k to pay off! I'm on the verge of being upside-down on a mortgage since the ****** housing market is pushing the property value below $500k. Do you have any idea what that does to your credit?! I'm already down to 845 for ****'s sake!!
#221 Dec 03 2011 at 12:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Do you think that there's a chance that you've ever benefited just from being white, living in a world mostly run by white people? Did your parents? Did theirs?

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#222 Dec 03 2011 at 3:58 AM Rating: Decent
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If the people don't have the knowledge, motivation and goals to be something in life, they will fail, no matter how much money they have.

"Throwing some money into low-income education" as opposed to refocusing the education is the exact reason how the education system fails.
How would you 'refocus' the education?


Well, that depends on what the problem is. When I was studying "Curriculum and Instruction" from lolphoenix, I concentrated on math education. Research supports that math is a favorite subject for elementary students, but quickly falls to last in the pre-algebra time period.

In my high school, there were students who planned to go to college, but took the tech path to avoid taking Algebra II, not realizing that College Algebra is nothing more than Algebra I and II. In college, I tutored fresh out of high school freshman on middle school math.

I stopped, thought and researched the math concepts that are taught in the k-12 curricula. For the most part, it can be very redundant up until 9th or 10th grade if the student decides to "take it slow".


I spent 3 years in Korea and spoke with various Asians of different backgrounds and concluded that they equally hate math just as much as we do. The difference is that they have to take entrance exams to go to HIGH School, so they study and they are forced to take Physics and Calculus. Because of this, when they come to the U.S., they blow us out of the water. It has nothing to do with them being inherently smarter.

What does this all mean? It means, that a fault that the U.S. has in the math curriculum is redundancy and options to "take it slow". From there, you address those issues by forcing students to take certain classes by certain levels and providing summer school and after school programs for students that might need extra attention. Is it that easy? No. Is that the 100% solution? It's the concept of what has to be done to improve education.

Although, money is a huge factor, just tossing money at that problem without properly defining what the problem is and why it is what it is will never solve it.
#223 Dec 03 2011 at 7:37 AM Rating: Good
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Although, money is a huge factor, just tossing money at that problem without properly defining what the problem is and why it is what it is will never solve it.


The problem is that blacks are at a disadvantage from birth because of factors outside their control. Education can help them be more successful, but that doesn't address the root cause of the problem.

Focus, you're getting distracted again.
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#224 Dec 03 2011 at 11:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Don't worry; the impulse control will come with age. I understand your words just fine. I have a six year old with about the same grasp of the English language so I'm fairly accustomed to deciphering what you kids sh*t on a page.


Oh, I see. That, my friend, is the result of being in an environment that exceeds your level of understanding. When I was an undergrad attending post-grad colloquiums, I too understood the words said but didn't have a clue on the mentioned concept. After a few sessions, I began to understand more and more. If you spent more time trying to expand your mind and less time deriding me with recycled calumnies, then this discussion would sound less like a "six year old" discussion and more like something that you can actually comprehend.

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Right, because the practical application of which would be used for a purpose other than the accumulation of wealth.


What? You just can't throw money at a problem and expect it to be fixed. You'll just end right back up in the same situation again later.

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I'd also disagree with your inference that "the people" (and by "the people", I assume you mean "those people" {and by "those people" I mean "black" people}) are ignorant, lazy under-achievers.


That was never an implication. If you actually read my posts, then you would have read where I said that I wasn't implying that any group of people weren't educated. The problem is when society creates this environment to support and reward mediocrity and below. That creates a new standard for the said group and they will work hard to reach that goal. If that problem is BELOW average, then you have successfully set that group of people up for failure.

It isn't laziness on their end, it's a constitutional set back for individuals that results in people not obtaining the standard.
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Although, money is a huge factor, just tossing money at that problem without properly defining what the problem is and why it is what it is will never solve it.


The problem is that blacks are at a disadvantage from birth because of factors outside their control. Education can help them be more successful, but that doesn't address the root cause of the problem.

Focus, you're getting distracted again.


ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE DISADVANTAGED from birth. As a black American, I am, by birth, more advantaged than many people around the world.

I am not denying any disadvantage. How ironic of you to say that I'm being distracted and off focus. Your entire question was how to close that gap and the only answer is overall knowledge, goals and motivation. You have yet, proven otherwise.

Explain to me how money outweighs overall knowledge, goals and motivation in reference to success.
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money lets you attain overall knowledge and goals you dolt. You need money to get schooling, and you need money to realize goals.
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