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#152 Dec 10 2011 at 12:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Other countries, even ones that we don't like, do kinda have a right to protect their interests.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for us sending in drones and keeping an eye on them


What would be the point of keeping an eye on them if you don't do anything about what you are seeing? And how would you account for a time when another country's interest is directly against the interest of those around it?
Should we just take Iran at it's word that it is simply looking for better ways to generate energy?
I certainly agree that it is wrong to try to impede the progress of a country; but when that country is openly hostile I'd say the worm has turned a bit.

Is war the answer? No. There are no easy answers;
But I am not holding my breath that suddenly people are going to start realizing how foolish they are and put an end to all conflict.
I just thank God that I wasn't born in Iran; from what I have seen; most of those people just want to get the hell out.
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#153 Dec 10 2011 at 12:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Should we just take Iran at it's word that it is simply looking for better ways to generate energy?


Yes, and if they happen to make a nuke who gives a ****. Everyone has nukes already anyway. Nukes are like condoms, everyone has a few, but no one really wants to use them.
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#154 Dec 10 2011 at 12:49 PM Rating: Default
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Should we just take Iran at it's word that it is simply looking for better ways to generate energy?


Yes, and if they happen to make a nuke who gives a sh*t. Everyone has nukes already anyway. Nukes are like condoms, everyone has a few, but no one really wants to use them.


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#155 Dec 10 2011 at 1:20 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't know how to make it any clearer for you sorry.
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#156 Dec 10 2011 at 3:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Nadenu wrote:
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JD isn't even whisky, it's a bourbon.

Bourbon is still a kind of whiskey, as is scotch.

Oh, I know. Just stating that true bourbon is made in KY, and the rest of that crap can be made anywhere.

I know you know, I was telling Kavekk.
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#157 Dec 10 2011 at 3:26 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't know how to make it any clearer for you sorry.

Some people definitely want to use them; it would be easy enough to get them to radicals and try to keep their own hands clean.
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#158 Dec 10 2011 at 4:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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Debalic wrote:
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JD isn't even whisky, it's a bourbon.

Bourbon is still a kind of whiskey, as is scotch.

Oh, I know. Just stating that true bourbon is made in KY, and the rest of that crap can be made anywhere.

I know you know, I was telling Kavekk.

Yeah, I realized that a bit later. I was only on my first cup of coffee, I can't be held responsible.
#159Kelvyquayo, Posted: Dec 10 2011 at 6:15 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Oh, you've made it quite clear that you are totally ignorant of reality.
#160 Dec 10 2011 at 7:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh, you've made it quite clear that you are totally ignorant of reality.

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Nuclear arms have gone missing or been sold to "illegitimate persons" for decades, not a single reported occurrence of a Nuclear weapon being set off has taken place, since the US used them in WW2. (outside of testing).

Do you honestly believe that Islamist Jihadists are anymore violent then say the IRA, or the Chechnyan Rebels.

I might be ignorant of your opinion on reality, but here in the real world Nuclear Weapons are everywhere, most every country worth mentioning has them or access to them, yet here in the real world not a single one has used them since the world saw what they were capable of in WW2. I am also highly confident that no nation, even the Axis of Evil will use them, because any person with a single brain cell knows what the outcome will be.

You must be pretty naive, or the Bush Terrorism spin for 8 years really got you jumping at shadows.

(hell your own government sold Iran the technology to launch nukes, chances are Iran already has some from the fallout of the old USSR, so you should be in full on panic mode now.)

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#161 Dec 10 2011 at 7:50 PM Rating: Decent
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In my opinion, we happen to have been *lucky* that no other nukes have gone off (outside of testing) in the past fifty years.
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#162 Dec 10 2011 at 7:51 PM Rating: Default
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Do you honestly believe that Islamist Jihadists are anymore violent then say the IRA, or the Chechnyan Rebels.


I suppose you would say "who cares" to the IRA or Chechnyan rebels getting nukes as well?
You accuse me of being paranoid and yet you are the one claiming the nuclear weapons are "everywhere!!"; pot meet kettle.

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most every country worth mentioning has them or access to them,

What an ignorant statement; I guess only 8 or 9 countries are worth mentioning then? Oh; you must mean worth mentioning to support you naive argument.


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In my opinion, we happen to have been *lucky* that no other nukes have gone off (outside of testing) in the past fifty years.


This I agree with.
What I can't agree with is: "Well they're everywhere anyway so who cares".




Edited, Dec 10th 2011 8:56pm by Kelvyquayo
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#163 Dec 11 2011 at 3:18 AM Rating: Good
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I suppose you would say "who cares" to the IRA or Chechnyan rebels getting nukes as well?
You accuse me of being paranoid and yet you are the one claiming the nuclear weapons are "everywhere!!"; pot meet kettle.


I would say who cares, because my opinion on the second point is that in order to be paranoid you actually have to be fearful. I am not fearful of a nuke being set off, because I am highly confident that no such act will take place in the near future, or likely before I die.

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What an ignorant statement; I guess only 8 or 9 countries are worth mentioning then? Oh; you must mean worth mentioning to support you naive argument.


Canada, Australia, Germany, France, Britain, China, Japan, Russia, Israel, S. Korea, N. Korea, Ireland, Denmark, The Netherlands, Belgium, Poland, Pakistan, India, USA, and likely at least a dozen others associated with one ore more of the aforementioned via treaties or alliance obligations.

In one way or another the majority of nations in this world have access to Nuclear weapons, to believe otherwise is naive.

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What I can't agree with is: "Well they're everywhere anyway so who cares".


then you should stop being a little *****. Nukes have been on the black market, in and out of rouge nations for the last half century. Nukes are a defensive weapon (all be it a not very good one). Like I said earlier, everyone has nukes, just like everyone has condoms, not everyone actually wants to use either though.

It is ok though, you can live in your bubble of fear, I will happily sit in my bubble of sh*t happens and likely have a much better time not jumping at shadows built by media propaganda.




Edited, Dec 11th 2011 4:19am by rdmcandie
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#164 Dec 11 2011 at 6:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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Lube wrote:
Other countries, even ones that we don't like, do kinda have a right to protect their interests.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for us sending in drones and keeping an eye on them


What would be the point of keeping an eye on them if you don't do anything about what you are seeing? And how would you account for a time when another country's interest is directly against the interest of those around it?
Should we just take Iran at it's word that it is simply looking for better ways to generate energy?
I certainly agree that it is wrong to try to impede the progress of a country; but when that country is openly hostile I'd say the worm has turned a bit.

Is war the answer? No. There are no easy answers;
But I am not holding my breath that suddenly people are going to start realizing how foolish they are and put an end to all conflict.
I just thank God that I wasn't born in Iran; from what I have seen; most of those people just want to get the hell out.
I'm fine with us spying in any way possible. We just shouldn't be shocked when the party being spied on does things to stop it from happening, such as taking down a drone. I didn't think it was that difficult of a concept.
#165 Dec 11 2011 at 3:02 PM Rating: Default
Nadenu wrote:
Debalic wrote:
Nadenu wrote:
Debalic wrote:
Kavekk wrote:

JD isn't even whisky, it's a bourbon.

Bourbon is still a kind of whiskey, as is scotch.

Oh, I know. Just stating that true bourbon is made in KY, and the rest of that crap can be made anywhere.

I know you know, I was telling Kavekk.

Yeah, I realized that a bit later. I was only on my first cup of coffee, I can't be held responsible.


I'm insulting bourbon in general and JD in particular by saying they aren't actually whisky. It's kind of weird Nadenu's calling me out on this while doing exactly the same thing in saying that bourbon made in Kentucky isn't.

But don't let that stop you doing... whatever it is you're doing. Honestly, it's kind of cute.
#166 Dec 11 2011 at 6:51 PM Rating: Decent
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No, you're just covering. It's kinda cute; have you been studying gbaji?
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#167 Dec 12 2011 at 1:08 AM Rating: Good
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rdmcandie wrote:

in order to be paranoid you actually have to be fearful.

I think you got that backwards, sport.
For the record I am not in fear of things that are not in my control; it's pointless to worry about them. I am simply pointing out the flaw in your logic and your denial of the fact that just because a nuclear attack of any kind hasn't happened yet does not mean that it cannot happen at any time.
You are just happy living in denial; like most people. I can't say I blame you. It can be a scary world outside of your computer screen.

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I'm fine with us spying in any way possible. We just shouldn't be shocked when the party being spied on does things to stop it from happening, such as taking down a drone. I didn't think it was that difficult of a concept.

Fair enough.
I wasn't trying to single your statement out per se; it was just a good stepping stone for my thoughts on it. I was just taking the thought a step farther in what happens when we do find that they are doing something that is against our interests; as has been stated elsewhere in the thread. Do we just nod our heads and say "yup, that ain't too cool" or actually do something about it.

I'm not advocating war; but some kind of reaction beyond more sanctions seems logical. I think no matter what happens it's going to suck for the average people living there.
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#169 Dec 12 2011 at 5:19 AM Rating: Decent
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For the record I am not in fear of things that are not in my control; it's pointless to worry about them.


But you are calling me detached from reality because I live without fear of nuclear war. Do you still sleep with a night light too? It is ok to be scared, God will save you.
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#170 Dec 12 2011 at 6:41 AM Rating: Good
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Kavekk wrote:
Nadenu wrote:
Debalic wrote:
Nadenu wrote:
Debalic wrote:
Kavekk wrote:

JD isn't even whisky, it's a bourbon.

Bourbon is still a kind of whiskey, as is scotch.

Oh, I know. Just stating that true bourbon is made in KY, and the rest of that crap can be made anywhere.

I know you know, I was telling Kavekk.

Yeah, I realized that a bit later. I was only on my first cup of coffee, I can't be held responsible.


I'm insulting bourbon in general and JD in particular by saying they aren't actually whisky. It's kind of weird Nadenu's calling me out on this while doing exactly the same thing in saying that bourbon made in Kentucky isn't.

But don't let that stop you doing... whatever it is you're doing. Honestly, it's kind of cute.

I'm saying it's all crap. Bourbon, whisky, scotch, all of it. ****.
#171 Dec 12 2011 at 9:47 AM Rating: Good
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No, you're just covering. It's kinda cute; have you been studying gbaji?


Weak.

You can't hear me, but I'm doing my best Charlie Sheen impression over here. It's not very good, but then I'm not on a dangerous cocktail of illegal drugs, more's the pity/
#172REDACTED, Posted: Dec 12 2011 at 12:00 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) r2d2,
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Do you honestly believe that Islamist Jihadists are anymore violent then say the IRA, or the Chechnyan Rebels


That you can even ask this illustrates how thoroughly you've been brainwashed.



Pot kettle, kettle pot. I imagine you had no idea there was such a thing as an Islamic Jihadist unti the Bush WH completely blew the whole ordeal out of proportion. I wonder how many times the bush white house used the phrase Islamic Terrorism in its 8 year stretch of stoking the flames of fear in the US. Its ok Ill take your pot shot in stride. At least I can get to sleep at night without checking under my bed for the scary bearded man hiding there.

Edited, Dec 12th 2011 4:11pm by rdmcandie
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#174 Dec 12 2011 at 6:02 PM Rating: Default
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But you are calling me detached from reality because I live without fear of nuclear war.

No; I say you are detached because you (for some strange reason) think that it could never happen in our lifetime. I don't think it has much to do with fear but more to do with swallowing a handful of lies and using them as a sedative.. quite an addictive sedative is denial.

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I imagine you had no idea there was such a thing as an Islamic Jihadist unti the Bush WH completely blew the whole ordeal out of proportion.

Why don't you tell that to the Muslim families who lost loved ones in the Islamic Jihad that was called for in 1967 by Gamal Abd El Nasser?
Please; turn off the damned TV and vomit up all of the lies that you have glutted yourself with.


Edited, Dec 12th 2011 7:08pm by Kelvyquayo
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#175 Dec 12 2011 at 6:11 PM Rating: Decent
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No; I say you are detached because you (for some strange reason) think that it could never happen in our lifetime.


No I don't think it will happen because it is not a realistically beneficial to do so. Whomever uses a nuke will be scorned by the majority of countries on this planet. Even if they are suspected of the act. It is not beneficial for a nation to have a nuclear attack launched by themselves or for themselves. Which is why it won't happen.

It is suicide to do so. Every nation in the world will punish you. Could it happen, of course it could happen, we do have the means to make it happen. Will it happen probably not. Id be more worried of a chemical or biological attack long before Id even consider a nuclear attack relevant.

Your lack of understanding of modern warfare and political reasoning astounds me. The only reason Iran wants nukes is because Israel has them. Every country should be able to posses Nuclear Technology if they happen to make a bomb then they happen to make a bomb...so what. There will not be a nuclear strike in our life time, likely ever.
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#176 Dec 12 2011 at 6:49 PM Rating: Default
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No I don't think it will happen because it is not a realistically beneficial to do so. Whomever uses a nuke will be scorned by the majority of countries on this planet. Even if they are suspected of the act. It is not beneficial for a nation to have a nuclear attack launched by themselves or for themselves. Which is why it won't happen.


Umm, you do realize that there are organizations that aren't "countries" and that could care less about their reputations.. and that there are many factions that operate sole out of total hatred toward other factions.. You do realize that, right? No?
But I do applaud you proper usage of "whom".Smiley: tongue
And that is why it could actually happen.

I actually think a nuclear event is more likely than a chemical or biological attack; do you know how easy it would be to smuggle a few grams of uranium? You probably do not want to know.

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Every country should be able to posses Nuclear Technology


Smiley: lol you sound like some kind of global nuclear communist. Why don't we just supply all of the un-contacted tribes of Africa, South America, and India with a bunch of M16s to help them defend themselves?


Edited, Dec 12th 2011 7:52pm by Kelvyquayo
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