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#102 Dec 12 2011 at 2:06 AM Rating: Default
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Oh, and you know what I find a lot more disturbing than consenting adults experimenting with pain-pleasure conversions (which are a natural part of the human construct)?

Adults with imaginary friends. Especially when these adults get angry that we aren't willing to go to their tea parties, where they expect us to have conversations with their imaginary friend. And it's even worse when they start telling us what their imaginary friend thinks about our own life choices.

And they think we should just give them a pass to do it.

I'd like to try that sometime. "Hey, boss? My imaginary friend wants you to know that you're an @#%^ for not giving me a raise. He said it, not me. He just asked me to pass it along. Oh, and you're gonna burn in hell. Thought you outta know."



That's a nice tantrum.
I'm not the angry one. It would certainly appear that you are. Why so angry?
Do I touch a nerve because I do not choose to participate in the giant circle-jerk? Smiley: rolleyes

By the way; your entire premise for argument "which are a natural part of the human construct" is entirely baseless. I would suspect that you live your life based on this weak foundation. It is entirely hypocritical. People have used that foolish logic to justify every little screwed up thing that people can possibly do to themselves and others throughout the entirety of human history.
weak. sauce.

Edited, Dec 12th 2011 3:07am by Kelvyquayo
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#103 Dec 12 2011 at 2:32 AM Rating: Good
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lol, that's a surprising amount of bullsh*t for such a short post. If you could teach gbaji how to condense like that, we'd all be grateful.

I've never participated in BDSM and I don't have any particular desire to. I have never felt an emotional need to feel pain, or be dominated, or dominate. I imagine the experiences would be extremely uncomfortable for me.

But that's for me. I feel the same way about threesomes and vaginal intercourse.

I'm also not fool enough to spout off bullsh*t that no one would have any reason to believe unless they already agreed with me.

Guess what? You have no soul. One day you are going to die, and that's all she wrote. You won't exist anymore. You won't think, you won't feel. There won't even be a "you." There's no heaven, no hell, no purgatory. This lifetime is all you get. And every single thing you experience, every thought you have, every transcendental elevation is all of the flesh.

If you want to believe I'm wrong, feel free. I wouldn't hate it if there was an afterlife. But stop trying to force your baseless, small-minded views on people. Your judgement just makes you look like a child.

If there is a god, and he/she/it/they support what you are doing, then they are pathetic and I'm @#%^ing proud not to follow them. Any deity that is that vindictive (and vicious enough to have the kind of vanity required to send someone to hell for all eternity because they refused to believe you existed when you gave them absolutely no reason to think otherwise) doesn't deserve to be worshiped. They deserve a good hard kick to the groin.
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#104 Dec 12 2011 at 3:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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and his troll is everything that give Christianity a bad name.


Declaring that the entire reason for being is to believe in God's Anointed and be perfected to people whose only point in life is to serve their flesh and their egos is what gives Christianity a bad name; let's not confuse the issue.


I remember reading:

1. "Love God with all your heart soul and mind."

and

2. "Love your neighbor as you love yourself."


These are my touchpoints as a Christian.




IIRC recall correctly, there was also something about:

3. "Judge not, lest ye be judged."

and

4. "Ye who be without sin, cast the first stone."



Some Christians just stick to these.


I realize some of you folk here have an issue with 1.

2,3 and 4 are universal for decent folk.



tl;dr: Kelvyquayo needs to LERN2XTIAN














Still tl;dr?: What Nads said.
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#106 Dec 12 2011 at 4:16 AM Rating: Excellent
I'm a masochist, and to be honest, I can't explain it at all. If I had to venture a guess, I'd say it's a two fold thing. Firstly, during the instant of pain, you mind is cleared of everything else; a total escape from reality, however brief. Secondly, the moments right after the pain feel genuinely good. I don't know if it is because of the recession of the pain, or the body's chemical response, or a combination of the both.
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#108 Dec 12 2011 at 7:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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People have used that foolish logic to justify every little screwed up thing that people can possibly do to themselves and others throughout the entirety of human history.
weak. sauce.


I'm of the opinion, having been a fairly devout Catholic at one point, that Religion is mostly a good thing but using it as justification to be a douche is the opposite of it's intended purpose.
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#109 Dec 12 2011 at 7:49 AM Rating: Decent
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I just scanned through this as it is time for bed but I had to reply. I do not require the rough stuff every day or even every week but it is a physical and emotional need for me. It is not a want, but a need. I am a Masochist and I need to feel pain. It is just like people going out for a drink after a rough day at work or someone hitting the gym really hard when they are angry or upset about something. It is a release. A way for me to calm myself and release stress and frustrations that I have pent up. I am consenting and my partner is consenting so I really don't see it as abuse. Next time, do some research and maybe actually READ the thread before you start using terms like that.


I'm not going to go into what a Dominant does thats simple. However, how one does things is different. If he is new to the idea then both of you will have to explore what you want and what he can do. I don't have much equipment these days but I did know several Dominant women in my day. You haven't been to specific to us here and that is fine. Have him get some basic gear like the leather cuffs and things. A ball gag is standard gear. Possibly have him get some of the softer leather whips and cat-o-nine tails for some stimulation. Even a bit of old fashioned spanking works wonders. I would not do cutting or burns on anyone. I even avoided using the hot waxes some wanted also. The idea is stimulation and that is better done without cuts and burns.
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When I was a teenager, I did self-mutilate and even went to the extent of being hospitalized for it. This was before the medication and therapy because my parents did not deem it a necessity for me. Now that I am a grown woman and have a say so in my physiological well-being, I am on meds and do go to regular therapy. I have found a more constructive way to deal with stress rather than self-mutilation. I have not cut myself or harmed myself in any way in a little over 9yrs because I found the BDSM scene. My therapist does not agree with the extent I go to sometimes but he has noticed a distinct difference since I have joined the community. We have talked at length about my preferences in the bedroom and he has theorized that I have an Endorphin addiction. Basically, an adrenaline junkie.
Chemically, our bodies react to pain the same way. Pain receptors in the brain light up and the brain send out Endorphins which are the bodies natural pain killers. Endorphins also make you happy or euphoric the more your brain sends out. Some people can get a paper cut and are flooded with Endorphins but people with a higher pain tolerance, like myself, have to go through more pain in order for the brain to release said Endorphins. I can take a lot of damage and it doesn't hurt. I can get tattoo's and piercings and not be in the slightest bit of pain.
My therapist does keep a close eye on my physical well-being and has said if he felt I was going to far with the S/M play, he would have to step in. Like I said, it has been 9yrs and he hasn't had to pull the plug yet.
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#112 Dec 12 2011 at 8:53 AM Rating: Good
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sh*t, this thread went down the same path as the comments found on any remotely religious video on YouTube.

You know the ones I'm talking about? The video is some guy doing a lecture on evolution and someone writes something along the lines of "Lord Jesus our Savior is the Best Friend in the World and You Must Love Him or Burn in Hell Forever. <citation from the Bible that ends with 'red-headed harlot'>" (excessive capitalization added for effect). Then someone responds with something like "Take your god and piss off, fag. I bet you're a Democrat!"

First guy will bite because he's a religious robot from the future and then the fun begins.

Edited, Dec 12th 2011 3:53pm by Mazra
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Delva, I don't know if theres a group that does this in your area but it is the closest thing to a religious experience I've ever felt.
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#114 Dec 12 2011 at 9:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Delva, I don't know if theres a group that does this in your area but it is the closest thing to a religious experience I've ever felt.


Yes! I have done suspension on several occasions. I use to work at a tattoo shop and we would go to conventions in the bigger cities here in Texas like Dallas and Austin where they would feature suspension artist. It is the most amazing feeling in the world. I am sitting here trying to think of something to compare it to but I am at a loss. I'm going to use a Buddhist term here but I would think it comes close to Enlightenment. I have never been able to achieve that deep of a meditative trance outside of suspension.
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#115 Dec 12 2011 at 9:47 AM Rating: Good
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sh*t, this thread went down the same path as the comments found on any remotely religious video on YouTube.

It did not.

There's been a ton of interesting discussion.

Personally I find the idea of getting pleasure from pain counter-intuitive, though I do understand the endorphin rush. I did some softer x-treme sporting when I was younger and while I never had any terribly close calls, the thrill of taking yourself close to the edge is an intense high all it's own.

I don't understand the connection between sex and pain, but meh, that's me - lol, totally 'vanilla' I guess (though I prefer chocolate).

We all have addictions and issues. We can replace them, modify them, moderate/minimize them and give in to them and attempt to keep them from making our lives too dysfunctional. Sounds like the OP currently has a pretty good grasp of things.

Burning skin is like the worst smell ever though....




Edited, Dec 12th 2011 4:47pm by Elinda
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I don't understand the connection between sex and pain, but meh, that's me - lol, totally 'vanilla' I guess (though I prefer chocolate).

It all sounds like a lot of work to me. Spicing things up as desired is always a good thing but if I had to worry about whips and chains every time I wanted to get my rocks off... bleah.
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I don't understand the connection between sex and pain, but meh, that's me - lol, totally 'vanilla' I guess (though I prefer chocolate).


That's fine too (and I'm largely vanilla as well). What's important is that people are comfortable with their own sexual practices (assuming they aren't hurting others, of course). People who don't feel the need to experiment shouldn't have to, and people who do should be free to without disdain.

I'm not asserting that you've done this, of course.

I'll just never understand why some people have a desperate need to attack people who DARE to enjoy sex.
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#118 Dec 12 2011 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
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Delva, I don't know if theres a group that does this in your area but it is the closest thing to a religious experience I've ever felt.


Yes! I have done suspension on several occasions. I use to work at a tattoo shop and we would go to conventions in the bigger cities here in Texas like Dallas and Austin where they would feature suspension artist. It is the most amazing feeling in the world. I am sitting here trying to think of something to compare it to but I am at a loss. I'm going to use a Buddhist term here but I would think it comes close to Enlightenment. I have never been able to achieve that deep of a meditative trance outside of suspension.


Tricking your body into doping itself up might feel great, but it's pretty much the opposite of the buddhist concept of enlightenment.
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Tricking your body into doping itself up might feel great, but it's pretty much the opposite of the buddhist concept of enlightenment.

I could be said that many religious rituals do the exact same thing just using different techniques. Fasting, flagellation, submitting oneself to temperature extremes, kavadi. Some Buddhists use pain meditation to work past the bodies reaction to pain as a form of enlightenment as well.
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Mazra wrote:
sh*t, this thread went down the same path as the comments found on any remotely religious video on YouTube.

It did not.

There's been a ton of interesting discussion.


That's what I mean.

It starts with a good discussion, then someone posts something in the complete far end of the spectrum of something remotely related to the topic and his direct opposite happens to see it and responds.

As for the topic, I'm in your boat. I don't like to mix business with pleasure.

Edit: Never say never.

Edited, Dec 12th 2011 6:08pm by Mazra
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Tricking your body into doping itself up might feel great, but it's pretty much the opposite of the buddhist concept of enlightenment.

I could be said that many religious rituals do the exact same thing just using different techniques. Fasting, flagellation, submitting oneself to temperature extremes, kavadi. Some Buddhists use pain meditation to work past the bodies reaction to pain as a form of enlightenment as well.


Yes, many do.

Buddhism isn't very doctrinal, but finding peace through hedonism can hardly be reconciled with the Buddha's teachings.
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Tricking your body into doping itself up might feel great, but it's pretty much the opposite of the buddhist concept of enlightenment.

I could be said that many religious rituals do the exact same thing just using different techniques. Fasting, flagellation, submitting oneself to temperature extremes, kavadi. Some Buddhists use pain meditation to work past the bodies reaction to pain as a form of enlightenment as well.


Yes, many do.

Buddhism isn't very doctrinal, but finding peace through hedonism can hardly be reconciled with the Buddha's teachings.


I disagree completely.

For one, Buddha spent years using pain in meditation, experiencing everything from starvation to sitting in thorn bushes. It was an extremely important part of his own path to enlightenment.

Plus, he believed that there was no set path to Nirvana. Polishing the sandals of monks would work for some. For others, enlightenment required deep use of chanting. Others used pain to force their mind to forget the present.

Yeah, HEDONISM as a doctrine is incompatible with Buddhism, since Buddhism holds that pain and pleasure are illusions. But pain experiences in BDSM scenarios are certainly capable of elevating someone into a state of meditation akin to something a practitioner of Buddhism might experience. But Hedonistic practices certainly can be.

They weren't talking about states of ecstasy, they were talking about meditative trances.
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Kavekk wrote:
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Tricking your body into doping itself up might feel great, but it's pretty much the opposite of the buddhist concept of enlightenment.

I could be said that many religious rituals do the exact same thing just using different techniques. Fasting, flagellation, submitting oneself to temperature extremes, kavadi. Some Buddhists use pain meditation to work past the bodies reaction to pain as a form of enlightenment as well.


Yes, many do.

Buddhism isn't very doctrinal, but finding peace through hedonism can hardly be reconciled with the Buddha's teachings.

Do you think when an individual reaches 'enlightenment' that they find it a pleasurable experience?

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I don't experience the "pain is pleasure" thing. For me, pain is pain...it hurts, and it's a guaranteed way to kill the mood.
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Elinda wrote:
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Tricking your body into doping itself up might feel great, but it's pretty much the opposite of the buddhist concept of enlightenment.

I could be said that many religious rituals do the exact same thing just using different techniques. Fasting, flagellation, submitting oneself to temperature extremes, kavadi. Some Buddhists use pain meditation to work past the bodies reaction to pain as a form of enlightenment as well.


Yes, many do.

Buddhism isn't very doctrinal, but finding peace through hedonism can hardly be reconciled with the Buddha's teachings.

Do you think when an individual reaches 'enlightenment' that they find it a pleasurable experience?


No, that's not what enlightenment is. It's a different type of experience.
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Kavekk wrote:
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Tricking your body into doping itself up might feel great, but it's pretty much the opposite of the buddhist concept of enlightenment.

I could be said that many religious rituals do the exact same thing just using different techniques. Fasting, flagellation, submitting oneself to temperature extremes, kavadi. Some Buddhists use pain meditation to work past the bodies reaction to pain as a form of enlightenment as well.


Yes, many do.

Buddhism isn't very doctrinal, but finding peace through hedonism can hardly be reconciled with the Buddha's teachings.

Do you think when an individual reaches 'enlightenment' that they find it a pleasurable experience?


No, that's not what enlightenment is. It's a different type of experience.

That's her point. She is asserting that, while the practice of BDSM is generally hedonistic, we have no reason to assume that the kind of meditative trance described here is actually just a state of extreme pleasure. If she's describing it as a meditative trance akin to enlightenment, it's far more likely that it's a state of emotionless peace.
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#127 Dec 12 2011 at 1:54 PM Rating: Good
I consider myself to be masochistic, and I'm not really sure why I am the way I am in that regard. From speaking to the folks in my BDSM community, I think it's at least in part hereditary. One of my friends has a sub whose children (they are 8 and 10) love to be tied up. Another lady I know loves to tell the story of the time she found her 5 year old son straddling the bath tub and jumping up and down crushing his nether-bits and giggling. I'm adopted, so I have no idea whether or not my tastes for BDSM are hereditary or not, but I think it's an interesting concept.

That said, I had a blissfully happy childhood, aside from being teased at school. The only really bad thing that has happened in my life is my dad died of brain cancer when I was 18. I've dealt with depression on and off since that happened, close to 10 years ago. I don't recall showing any leanings towards BDSM as a child, but my memory is also crap. I first became interested in kink when I was in my early 20's, but didn't find a partner who was into it until a couple years ago.

I like to think of myself as a moderate kinkster. I like knife play, as long as it doesn't break skin. I like scratches, hair pulling, spankings, flogging as long as it's with a stingy flogger as opposed to a thuddy one. I also like light choking. I enjoy feeling the restriction of my breathing, but not having it gone completely. I find the surrender especially intoxicating. Trusting the person I'm with to take care of me, and not harm me while hurting me is just an indescribable feeling. Having them physically lead me to do things to them, or being tied up and letting them do whatever they want to me is just awesome. Candle wax is fun too, but honestly that just tickles more than anything else.

If my kinks make me screwed up in the head, so be it. I will say this though. Becoming a part of my local community has helped me out in so many ways besides just giving me an outlet to explore kink. It has increased my self confidence and my comfort in my own skin. It has also helped me make a bunch of new friends over the last two years, that are just truly awesome people. Also, in my community at least, there is a huge overlap between kinky, geeky and polyamorous folks. It's amazing.
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That's her point. She is asserting that, while the practice of BDSM is generally hedonistic, we have no reason to assume that the kind of meditative trance described here is actually just a state of extreme pleasure. If she's describing it as a meditative trance akin to enlightenment, it's far more likely that it's a state of emotionless peace.


Yeah, it's probably the prey response. Your body floods with endorphins, you freeze up, the jaguar eats you while the other peccaries leg it. It's a very calm state, but it's brought on by pain and pleasure, not by understanding. Even if you think trancing in such a way is a way you might reach enlightenment, it is not enlightenment itself. It's not an enlightened state, it's not a similar experience.

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Your position is absurd.

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I disagree completely.

For one, Buddha spent years using pain in meditation, experiencing everything from starvation to sitting in thorn bushes. It was an extremely important part of his own path to enlightenment.

Plus, he believed that there was no set path to Nirvana. Polishing the sandals of monks would work for some. For others, enlightenment required deep use of chanting. Others used pain to force their mind to forget the present.

Yeah, HEDONISM as a doctrine is incompatible with Buddhism, since Buddhism holds that pain and pleasure are illusions. But pain experiences in BDSM scenarios are certainly capable of elevating someone into a state of meditation akin to something a practitioner of Buddhism might experience. But Hedonistic practices certainly can be.

They weren't talking about states of ecstasy, they were talking about meditative trances.


This post is incredibly incoherent.
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When I was a teenager, I did self-mutilate and even went to the extent of being hospitalized for it. This was before the medication and therapy because my parents did not deem it a necessity for me. Now that I am a grown woman and have a say so in my physiological well-being, I am on meds and do go to regular therapy. I have found a more constructive way to deal with stress rather than self-mutilation. I have not cut myself or harmed myself in any way in a little over 9yrs because I found the BDSM scene. My therapist does not agree with the extent I go to sometimes but he has noticed a distinct difference since I have joined the community. We have talked at length about my preferences in the bedroom and he has theorized that I have an Endorphin addiction. Basically, an adrenaline junkie.
Chemically, our bodies react to pain the same way. Pain receptors in the brain light up and the brain send out Endorphins which are the bodies natural pain killers. Endorphins also make you happy or euphoric the more your brain sends out. Some people can get a paper cut and are flooded with Endorphins but people with a higher pain tolerance, like myself, have to go through more pain in order for the brain to release said Endorphins. I can take a lot of damage and it doesn't hurt. I can get tattoo's and piercings and not be in the slightest bit of pain.
My therapist does keep a close eye on my physical well-being and has said if he felt I was going to far with the S/M play, he would have to step in. Like I said, it has been 9yrs and he hasn't had to pull the plug yet.


Interesting. Thanks for the post, it helps me understand a little better. And now I'm less worried about you. Smiley: lol Hope you and your new guy have fun!
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#132Kelvyquayo, Posted: Dec 12 2011 at 6:39 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Do the people deny that the OP has some emotional issues which would be good to overcome? No, you just love the opportunity to spit venom a that which is different.
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Do you people deny that when a person dives into NON-vanilla sex that it is difficult to go back to regular sex?

Why the fuck do you care? You're not having sex with them.

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#135Kelvyquayo, Posted: Dec 12 2011 at 7:13 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Smiley: dubious
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Why the fuck do you care? You're not having sex with them.



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Would did anyone reply to this thread at all; they are not having sex with them?

..and I care because I LOVE EVERYBODYSmiley: blush
Yeah I'm not the one who actually cares if they'll ever have vanilla sex again
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You do realize that if they could get away with it; that many of these people would feed me to the lions and cheer at my agony; I do not doubt it.


Yeah, you need help. Really, REALLY badly.

And anyone who can pretend to love everybody is full of sh*t. Especially when they stand there and judge the people around them for DARING to be different from them.
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Yeah, you need help. Really, REALLY badly.
His earnest creepiness is heartwarming
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Kelvyquayo wrote:
Do the people deny that the OP has some emotional issues which would be good to overcome? No, you just love the opportunity to spit venom a that which is different.
Do you people deny that when a person dives into NON-vanilla sex that it is difficult to go back to regular sex? No; but I see no arguments against those valid points; but those are the posts that I posted.
I didn't bring up anything religious until you people did;
go back and look at your blatant hypocrisy; or just continue gargling your own bile.

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You do realize that if they could get away with it; that many of these people would feed me to the lions and cheer at my agony; I do not doubt it.
I'm not judging; I am not casting stones; and I certainly never said that I am perfect; no I too am a horrible sinner.. the difference is that I realize it. I am simply speaking my mind; but most of these people don't want to hear it simply because it makes them uncomfortable and see how they act like animals to me? Am I hi-jacking this thread to prove a point? maybe.. but I think it's a point well proven; though it will go over the heads of many.
If you are a Christian you surely know that we are called to speak the Truth. Do not just quote the scriptures that are convenient for your reputation; what about: "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."?


Shouldn't you be out on a ledge or something?
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#141Kelvyquayo, Posted: Dec 12 2011 at 8:39 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) And you say I am trying too hard?
#142Kelvyquayo, Posted: Dec 12 2011 at 8:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Aaawwww, what a sweet and healthy statement.
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Do you people deny that when a person dives into NON-vanilla sex that it is difficult to go back to regular sex?


I imagine it's not an issue if said non-vanilla sex isn't what they need. Are you saying that after, say, role-playing during sex, you'd never be able to have sex without role-play? That's just silly.
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I imagine it's not an issue if said non-vanilla sex isn't what they need. Are you saying that after, say, role-playing during sex, you'd never be able to have sex without role-play? That's just silly.


That is a good point; but I think that this seems to be an extreme case. It depends on what you are role-playing and what part of your emotional psyche is being accessed.. in my view..

Two people role-playing as Rick Hunter and Lin Min Mei is a whole lot different than one member of the part role-playing..say (for example) being abused by their fathers while the other partner just thinks that their lover is simply getting their kink on; not suspecting that they are simply reinforcing their partners neurosis.
Like I said; rough sex is a bit different than not being able to enjoy your life unless you are physically injured. Some people may see that as "just normal" but I simply can't agree with that..
The next step is that the unsuspecting partner; newly turned on to this supposed "role-play" in the bedroom begins to develop their own neurosis.

For the record I have been with a partner that had some pretty heavy emotional problems that I just translated as liking kinky sex; and when I realized that her sexual desires of being treated very VERY roughly were more than just friendly role-play; I was so caught up in the sexual frenzy of it all I found it very difficult to call it like it was. It then became a situation where she knew that she had emotional control over me because I could NOT say no to the wild and violent sex.. I will not go more into the things that she was into.. But when our relationship was finally severed I found myself overwhelmingly haunted by the experience..

Maybe I should have just posted this firstSmiley: frown
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Probably.

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The next step is that the unsuspecting partner; newly turned on to this supposed "role-play" in the bedroom begins to develop their own neurosis.


Bullsh*t. You are making up filth to try and support your point. But studies show that participants in BDSM are LESS likely to commit violent crimes.

And you assert that situations brought about by your own emotional immaturity are grounds for labeling the behavior dangerous. The problem is that immaturity makes ALL behaviors dangerous. When that's the case, we are no longer talking about BDSM--we are talking about abuse. It's the same way how religious faith turns into religious zealotry.
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#148Kelvyquayo, Posted: Dec 12 2011 at 9:55 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Sure, Idoggory. Your nonsense about "maturity" being the defining factor of morality would actually have some relevance if there were no actual standard of morality..and maybe for you there isn't.. unfortunately for you you are not the center of the universe.
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Your propensity to blind yourself to reality is actually quite stunning. You may even be better at it than gbaji.

I mean, even he has never tried to build a strawman argument suggesting that, because some humans are extremely violent and desire to brutalize others, then the world at large is just itching to rip everyone else to shreds.
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Your propensity to blind yourself to reality is actually quite stunning. You may even be better at it than gbaji.

I mean, even he has never tried to build a strawman argument suggesting that, because some humans are extremely violent and desire to brutalize others, then the world at large is just itching to rip everyone else to shreds.
mmmm delicious projection
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