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#52 Dec 20 2011 at 5:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well if I ask some of the religious extreemists I kill millions of lives every time I have a ****. I suppose that would make sense too, considering how I don't view them as human anyways. Smiley: tinfoilhat

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Whatever you say princess. I wouldn't kill you but putting a bullet in one of your kneecaps certainly would make me feel better. Or even better, damage your spinal cord along the C1-C7 vertebrae leaving you permanently disabled and required to live off of the social security that you so despise.
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#53 Dec 20 2011 at 5:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Completely removing the legal aspect of it, I don't think I would have a problem doing it, or living with myself after it.

If it were a person who threatened my daughter, that's a different story.

Growing up with severe clinical depression and being manipulated by the few people you can trust, in addition to the constant exposure to violence in the neighborhood, can leave a person pretty dead when it comes to the pain and suffering of others.

I know a lot of people who have died, including family. I don't think I've had an emotional response to it since I was about 14 or so. I still feel emotions like everyone else, but empathy isn't one of them. At least it hasn't been for about as long as I can remember.

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#54 Dec 20 2011 at 6:03 PM Rating: Good
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varusword75 wrote:
or I was a skinny little white boy

I was a skinny little *redhead* white boy. So there.


Was?

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#55 Dec 20 2011 at 6:11 PM Rating: Good
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Debo,

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Could? Easy enough


lol...doubtful.



Now how many street fights have I been in...let's just say more than a handful. During these fights i've been hit in the head with a pool cue, hit in the head with those thick crystal ash trays, been hit in the back with a brick, had a little mexican wanna be gangsta try and stab me in the head in the passengers side of my buds jeep back in tx years ago. Fortunately i've won most of my fights and only have a few scars to show.

I'm always on guard.


I've always suspected that you've been hit in the head a few times.
#56 Dec 20 2011 at 6:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think that dehumanization comes in part from blame shift.

There is much research done on what controlling power and little accountability add up to, the most famous examples I can think of are the Milgram's Obedience to Authority Experiment, and the Stanford Prison Experiment. The Stanford one in particular got so nasty it had to be shut down.

Several psychologists have repeated the Milgram experiment, and it shows that if you can get someone to hurt someone even just a little (while your superior accepts liability) you can eventually get that person to inflict serious pain to someone under similar circumstances.
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#57 Dec 20 2011 at 7:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Milgram & Co skated pretty close to that line just by running the experiments for as long as they did.

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I've played a lot of Team Fortress 2 so I'm pretty sure that's prepared me. I'd be all "pew! pew! lol ur *** n00b lrn2ply".


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#59 Dec 20 2011 at 9:01 PM Rating: Good
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Nice try, though.
Were you looking for reality from a varus post? Smiley: dubious
Just consistency.


Yeah; I'm [img=LOL]ing, too.Smiley: clown

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Eskse,
or I was a skinny little white boy living in apartments packed with spicks and n*ggers who don't care about anything other than trying to pick on the little white kid. Some of us had to learn to fight at a young age to survive.

Wanna check my high school rep just ask anyone from south tx about the bluff.


Careful, keep adding to that backstory and the fiction is going to start toeing the line of believability.
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#60 Dec 20 2011 at 9:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think I may be in the minority here, but it sounds like what Thumb did is pretty ****** up.

And I'm almost certain that if a male poster had said he'd done any of those things, someone would've labeled him an abuser.

Maybe it's just me.
#61 Dec 20 2011 at 9:22 PM Rating: Good
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I think I may be in the minority here, but it sounds like what Thumb did is pretty @#%^ed up.

And I'm almost certain that if a male poster had said he'd done any of those things, someone would've labeled him an abuser.

Maybe it's just me.

She said she was sixteen. Sixteen year old girls are pretty fucked up in general. Sixteen year old boys aren't much different, for that matter.
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#62 Dec 20 2011 at 9:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Varus, We've been over this. Many times now. It's getting old. Are you really that ******* stupid, or are you just trying to **** me off by making more work for me? If so, please see question 1. It's simple. If we tell you "Don't use this word on our forums" and you continue to do so, you go away. Same thing with "don't post pictures of your ***** on the forum", etc. There are very few landmines that will get you yelled at in the Asylum. That happens to be one of them. You know this, and you still did it anyways, so whats the deal here?

If in a week or so you feel like e-mailing me an explanation for why you can't seem to follow very simple and straightforward rules that you have had multiple chances on, and what you are going to do to ensure it never happens again, then we'll talk. Until then, Mute issued, indefinite at this point. Don't bother making another account.

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#63 Dec 20 2011 at 9:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Varus, Mute issued, indefinite at this point. Don't bother making another account.

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#65 Dec 20 2011 at 10:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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The only other idiot who needs to see the Big Bad Administrator schpeal is already perma-banned.

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#67 Dec 20 2011 at 10:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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It puts the mute on the varus, or it gets the whips again.
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#68 Dec 21 2011 at 12:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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The only other idiot who needs to see the Big Bad Administrator schpeal is already perma-banned.

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I dunno, I rather enjoy knowing that Varus is muted, because it allows me the pleasure of picturing his juvenile form sitting there frothing at the keyboard ranting about bros, hos and ballin on the inner city streets all the while frantically wishing he could reply to any and every discussion with "Obama and the liberals keep @#%^in wit my sh*t, yo!"

Edited, Dec 21st 2011 12:04am by BrownDuck
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#69 Dec 21 2011 at 5:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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#70 Dec 21 2011 at 6:02 AM Rating: Good
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Milgram & Co skated pretty close to that line just by running the experiments for as long as they did.



I think those experiments were quite a valuable social service, in addition to their role in determination of psychological principles. The people who took the 'teacher' role received a measurable amount of real learning, plus it illuminates a rather effective teaching technique.

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#71 Dec 21 2011 at 6:23 AM Rating: Good
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I didn't have a problem hitting someone with a car.

Nor when I stabbed him.

Oh wait. I stabbed him first then hit him with a car.

It was 2 separate incidents, and he knows that he ****** me off both times.

Smiley: lol Young love.

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#72 Dec 21 2011 at 6:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
i've been hit in the head with a pool cue, hit in the head with those thick crystal ash trays, been hit in the back with a brick.

This may hep explain a few things.
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#73 Dec 21 2011 at 6:59 AM Rating: Good
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If I was a squirrel, I'd totally go into Lub's house and fuck his sh*t all up. I'd be all "Go get me some more beer nuts, *****, so I can bury them in your couch. Also, your PS3 doesn't seem to work any more. Probably because I chewed all the wires. Fuck you."
Sounds like my dog, just replace beer nuts with half eaten rawhide strips.
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#74 Dec 21 2011 at 7:01 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I think I may be in the minority here, but it sounds like what Thumb did is pretty @#%^ed up.

And I'm almost certain that if a male poster had said he'd done any of those things, someone would've labeled him an abuser.

Maybe it's just me.


I had been operating under the assumption that there wasa fair bit of hyperbole involved. if not then yeah, that's pretty ****** up.
#75 Dec 21 2011 at 7:09 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I think I may be in the minority here, but it sounds like what Thumb did is pretty @#%^ed up.

And I'm almost certain that if a male poster had said he'd done any of those things, someone would've labeled him an abuser.

Maybe it's just me.
I was a mess as a teenager, and I started physical fights with my boyfriend a few times before I got ahold of myself. I'm thoroughly ashamed of myself in retrospect, but It's important that there is an explanation, which is not an excuse. Firstly, I had a lot of extremely poor modelling, and almost no modelling to help me have positive skills in handling problems and problematic emotions. Emotional/mental illness very often kicks in properly in your late teens, and that's when my genetic birds came home to roost in at least two different ways. Firstly Borderline Personality Disorder. Secondly POS which messed my hormonal balance right up. Both of those things were desperately not helpful in the absence of any emotional skills. But there's no question I abused my boyfriend. It's no excuse I had no other way to express the despair and frustration I felt during those domestic fights.

No, I haven't killed anyone. Do I think I could? I believe in the force +1 rule. It makes sense to me. If someone imminently threatened my life or some innocent other, I could kill that person. Knowing myself, I strongly suspect I wouldn't feel bad about it. In fact it's a strong possibility I'd never feel in any way bad about it. AT the same time, my community theoretically encompasses the whole world. I've bumped up against some unexpected prejudices, which I've had to strip out of myself. Everyone is "in the circle". Ideally each individual judged on their own merits, although I do classify people into cultural subgroups when they share certain beliefs or behaviours.

I've had to undergo a lot of training to overcome my mental problems. This includes training in Assertion, and Saying No. I believe I'm less susceptible than average in relying on authority figures, both near and far, to take up my moral burden. I'm strongly in the habit of assessing a situation from first principles, and making my own decisions and assessments. This has put me in minority positions frequently vis a vis Australian politics, and friends' and relatives' and professionals' opinions. I believe strongly in civil disobedience, and I have once removed my youngest sister temporarily from my mother's house.

At the moment I think that Mulims occupy the same social scapegoating niche that Jews occupied before the holocaust. Most western politicians are merrily using these scapegoats without thought. I think the majority of the population has fallen for the groupthink scapegoating. I believe there is a sizable minority who hasn't, who wish desperately for the civil story to be different, but who are swamped by the size and vehemence of the most popular media and the prevailing political winds.
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#76 Dec 21 2011 at 7:28 AM Rating: Good
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I think that dehumanization comes in part from blame shift.

There is much research done on what controlling power and little accountability add up to, the most famous examples I can think of are the Milgram's Obedience to Authority Experiment, and the Stanford Prison Experiment. The Stanford one in particular got so nasty it had to be shut down.

Several psychologists have repeated the Milgram experiment, and it shows that if you can get someone to hurt someone even just a little (while your superior accepts liability) you can eventually get that person to inflict serious pain to someone under similar circumstances.

I listened to most of the interview. The author did explain that dehumanization is not so much to justify actions, but to facilitate them. In fact he went on to say that the psychological techniques used to facilitate a soldiers ability to kill other humans can be pretty detrimental to the soldier. The diagnosis, and subsequent treatment of PTSD is basically flawed, as it's purpose is not to re-humanize.

He also spoke with deep concern about physical dehumanization that is innate in remote killing (unmanned drones).
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