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#77 Dec 21 2011 at 7:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think I may be in the minority here, but it sounds like what Thumb did is pretty @#%^ed up.

And I'm almost certain that if a male poster had said he'd done any of those things, someone would've labeled him an abuser.

Maybe it's just me.


I had been operating under the assumption that there wasa fair bit of hyperbole involved. if not then yeah, that's pretty @#%^ed up.

I used to hit my boyfriend a lot and I tried to run over him once. It was kind of standard behavior in my circle, and I kind of thought most teen relationships were that way.
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Do you have any idea what you've done? You've just made ******* the focal point of everyone here now because you took away this ******. ***** you and your Grinchy ways. You just ruined my Christmas.
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#79 Dec 21 2011 at 8:24 AM Rating: Excellent
What word did varus use? I'm guessing it's the one that starts with N, but you never know.

What is the list of 'never use' words, anyways?
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#80 Dec 21 2011 at 8:40 AM Rating: Good
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You've just made ******* the focal point of everyone here now because you took away this ******.
He's still not alphatard.
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Nadenu wrote:
Eske Esquire wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I think I may be in the minority here, but it sounds like what Thumb did is pretty @#%^ed up.

And I'm almost certain that if a male poster had said he'd done any of those things, someone would've labeled him an abuser.

Maybe it's just me.


I had been operating under the assumption that there wasa fair bit of hyperbole involved. if not then yeah, that's pretty @#%^ed up.

I used to hit my boyfriend a lot and I tried to run over him once. It was kind of standard behavior in my circle, and I kind of thought most teen relationships were that way.


Yeah, teen relationships are pretty ****** up. Smiley: frown
#82 Dec 21 2011 at 8:45 AM Rating: Good
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I used to hit my boyfriend a lot and I tried to run over him once. It was kind of standard behavior in my circle, and I kind of thought most teen relationships were that way.

Australian teens are a little older than American teens before they can get their learners permit, and then they have to log over a hundred driving hours in all weather conditions and size of roads, with an adult, licence companion, before they can sit for their probationary licence. So we're more likely to start driving alone after high school, than during it. Using a car for teenage angst purposes isn't common here. If an adult tried mowing someone down, even at really slow speed, prison would be pretty inevitable. The only exception would be if you were being attacked and car escape was your only safe option.


On the other hand, Australian teens can start buying alcohol and drinking in public at least 3 years before their American counterparts. So we do dumb alcoholic related **** earlier. The only thing stopping the combined commencement of driving and public alcohol consumption from being a real disaster is the heavy duty booze buses used by police to alcohol breath-test entire road traffic populations at random times amd places on holidays and party nights out. There's now a pretty big culture of leaving your car overnight and taking a taxi home, or crashing at a mates place, if you're over the limit to drive home.
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#83 Dec 21 2011 at 8:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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What word did varus use? I'm guessing it's the one that starts with N, but you never know.

What is the list of 'never use' words, anyways?

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Duke Lubriderm wrote:
What word did varus use? I'm guessing it's the one that starts with N, but you never know.

What is the list of 'never use' words, anyways?


That one and another that starts with an s. It was a lovely post.
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#86 Dec 21 2011 at 9:06 AM Rating: Good
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The only other idiot who needs to see the Big Bad Administrator schpeal is already perma-banned.

Send a PM next time.

Be more of a grump next time.

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Coming back to the thread, The only time I seriously injured someone was in fact around the same time (15).

It was definitely the combination of being young and angry and the situation. Now I'd call a policeman I know ,explain exactly what happened, and take pleasure in watching the guy rot for many years. Back then though, wooden bat to the car, and then to his chest when he came outside to confront.

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#89 Dec 21 2011 at 9:41 AM Rating: Good
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Coming back to the thread, The only time I seriously injured someone was in fact around the same time (15).

It was definitely the combination of being young and angry and the situation. Now I'd call a policeman I know ,explain exactly what happened, and take pleasure in watching the guy rot for many years. Back then though, wooden bat to the car, and then to his chest when he came outside to confront.


Maturity kicks ****.
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Coming back to the thread, The only time I seriously injured someone was in fact around the same time (15).

It was definitely the combination of being young and angry and the situation. Now I'd call a policeman I know ,explain exactly what happened, and take pleasure in watching the guy rot for many years. Back then though, wooden bat to the car, and then to his chest when he came outside to confront.


Maturity kicks ****.


Although to be fair, "I totally called my friend Eric" doesn't have quite the same punch to it as "I hit him with a bat"




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#91 Dec 21 2011 at 10:28 AM Rating: Good
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I dunno, really. It's a hard question. My gut says no--I've kinda always assumed that if I was drafted into a war, I'd be nothing but cannon fodder or support, because I can't see me ever being useful with a weapon.

I don't think I'd take well to dehumanization efforts, either. I feel bad killing bugs (even though I totally think they deserve to die).
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Eske Esquire wrote:
Nadenu wrote:
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I think I may be in the minority here, but it sounds like what Thumb did is pretty @#%^ed up.

And I'm almost certain that if a male poster had said he'd done any of those things, someone would've labeled him an abuser.

Maybe it's just me.


I had been operating under the assumption that there wasa fair bit of hyperbole involved. if not then yeah, that's pretty @#%^ed up.

I used to hit my boyfriend a lot and I tried to run over him once. It was kind of standard behavior in my circle, and I kind of thought most teen relationships were that way.


Yeah, teen relationships are pretty @#%^ed up. Smiley: frown

A girl I knew in high school took a dump on the hood of her boyfriend's car. I agree: teenagers can be pretty crazy.

Although I think that incident had more to do with the girl herself than all teenagers being a little out of whack.
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#93 Dec 21 2011 at 11:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Backstory to my little episodes with my ex:

The drama in that relationship was pretty insane. I won't get into details, but the relationship was very volatile. Many things happened during those 2 separate incidents that culminated in into me hitting him with the car and stabbing him with a fork. I will admit to a bit of hyperbole was involved in my post, but a car and a fork were involved. My actions came out of the height of passions and emotions during the situations.

Immediately after both times, did I feel regret? Yup. I freaked out in the only way that a crying hysterical 16 year old girl can do. What did my ex do? Hug me and we made up and we happily rolled along again.

I will say that he and I are still friends, we are on very good terms, and we tease the **** out of each other on what he and I have done to one another during those years. "Remember when you hit me with the car?" "Yeah, well, remember when you left me in the middle of the canyon with just my shoes?" Was our relationship abusive? Oh yeah it was. But we (for lack of a better word) thrived on that and the drama it created. I can say that our relationship left a mark on both of us, in that we realized what was right and wrong in a normal, healthy relationship.

ETA: Back to the original idea for this thread, I'll say that it would have been more worrisome if I didn't have some kind of emotional reaction to what I did. Lack of self-control was more a factor than behavior devoid of humane feelings.

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#94 Dec 21 2011 at 11:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Milgram & Co skated pretty close to that line just by running the experiments for as long as they did.



I think those experiments were quite a valuable social service, in addition to their role in determination of psychological principles. The people who took the 'teacher' role received a measurable amount of real learning, plus it illuminates a rather effective teaching technique.




They were fascinating. As is so often the case, "fascinating" does not equal "ethical".

Milgram and Zimbardo arguably did not realize just how devastating their experiments would be to the participants. However there is no excuse for the lack of monitoring of those effects, and for letting the experiments continue in the face of their subjects' distress.
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The experiments are harrowing. That's kind of the point, thats the way to teach that type of thing.

If the test subjects were not told after the fact that it wasn't real, that I'd see as a breach of ethics. I could see the role for some post procedural cooldown being offered for subjects who wanted it.
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#96 Dec 21 2011 at 3:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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They were told afterward, of course. The point is that damage was done during the experiments.

I don't know the extent of the trauma, but I don't dismiss the point that there was trauma.

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I think the trauma would take place in reconciling their psyche after it's conclusion, without a proper cooldown. I'd be somewhat interested in running experiments to see where the damage is caused.
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As far as the topic goes, I don't think I'd be able to kill anyone, in any situation. I tend to talk myself out of situations or just flee, and I would guess a situation where I'd have to possibly kill someone would go the same way.
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Timelordwho wrote:
I think the trauma would take place in reconciling their psyche after it's conclusion, without a proper cooldown. I'd be somewhat interested in running experiments to see where the damage is caused.


I'd be somewhat interested in seeing how people behave when told they have to experiment on others in order to see what kind of conduct damages the subject of an experiment, and that this is necessary for scienctific understandng.
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I think the trauma would take place in reconciling their psyche after it's conclusion, without a proper cooldown. I'd be somewhat interested in running experiments to see where the damage is caused.


I'd be somewhat interested in seeing how people behave when told they have to experiment on others in order to see what kind of conduct damages the subject of an experiment, and that this is necessary for scienctific understandng.


Well, first we assign the experiment management to TLW, and then we assign some control experiment managers....
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#101 Dec 22 2011 at 8:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yes, I could, came very close once, but in the end I held my temper and told the young man "god loves you, go in peace".

Wouldn't bother with any posters on this site, something about worth of effort.


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