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#27 Dec 22 2011 at 12:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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Kelvyquayo wrote:
If anything EVERYONE should offended by the entire Holiday (in my opinion) because all it is is the pimping and whoring of beliefs by companies simply to make a buck.. there REAL American way.


You can't tell me when to be offended! Smiley: mad




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#28 Dec 22 2011 at 12:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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-Do you get equally ****-hurt when people say Happy new year on January 1st? The pagan New Year is actually Samhain (Oct 31st), y'know

I get offended. Because I'm a Chinaman.
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#29 Dec 22 2011 at 12:41 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Kelvyquayo wrote:
-Do you get equally ****-hurt when people say Happy new year on January 1st? The pagan New Year is actually Samhain (Oct 31st), y'know

I get offended. Because I'm a Chinaman.


Shouldn't you be saying happy hanukkah to all the Jews celebrating christmas in your restaurant?
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#31 Dec 22 2011 at 1:36 PM Rating: Good
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I want a Red Ryder carbine action two-hundred shot range model air rifle.

I'd say "you'll shoot your eye out" but you're in the Army.


Which means you'll shoot some Canadian soldier's eye out.
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#33 Dec 22 2011 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
I want a Red Ryder carbine action two-hundred shot range model air rifle.

I'd say "you'll shoot your eye out" but you're in the Army.


Which means you'll shoot some Canadian soldier's eye out.



I was going to say he'll get whoever is under him in the chain of command to stand in front of him while he shoots exclusively at reflective metal surfaces.

Edited, Dec 22nd 2011 12:43pm by Tarub
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#34 Dec 22 2011 at 1:51 PM Rating: Good
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only time I internally roll my eyes is when strangers start to push the "Christ is the reason for the season" or get all huffy and offended when they are met with Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas. Yes, it happens. Often.

A friend of mine (not religious) was just dumped by a "friend" this week because the friend told her she had no right to celebrate Christmas since she was not christian and my friend laughed it off, thinking she was joking. Her "friend" wasn't.

There is such thing as taking being offended too far. But that doesn't mean one needs to tolerate the ignorant arrogance and lack of tolerance to others that once in awhile rears its ugly head this time of year.
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#35 Dec 22 2011 at 1:52 PM Rating: Good
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I say Merry Christmas. I observe Christmas. I'm not a Christian though, and those "Christ is the reason for the season" ads drive me insane. In fact, I think I need another glass of wine because of them.


I like when an actual person tries to tell me that, because then I get to Smiley: schooled them on the history of the holiday.
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#36 Dec 22 2011 at 2:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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I like when an actual person tries to tell me that, because then I get to Smiley: schooled them on the history of the holiday.

Jesus is still the reason for said season in that case. The Church wasn't going to just let a bunch of pagan celebrations continue; they could either co-opt them into Christianity or else wipe them out. Co-opting won and thus Jesus is the reason we still maintain those traditions.

Ironically, Jesus was rather annoyed when people tried to merchandise off God in the temple so people throwing a hissy fit over Target not saying "Merry Christmas" as a requirement to grace them with your present-buying presence is rather off-key as well.

In short, you're all stupid.
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#37 Dec 22 2011 at 2:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Edited, Dec 22nd 2011 2:11pm by Xsarus
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#38 Dec 22 2011 at 2:19 PM Rating: Good
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Fuck all y'all



Edited, Dec 22nd 2011 2:11pm by Xsarus

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#40 Dec 22 2011 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Hah. Friend of mine has the Very Scary Solstice cd. Fun times!

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#41 Dec 22 2011 at 3:26 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
I got my gifts. Santa can go pound sand.


According to the new iphone commercial you're not one of Santa's 3.7 billion appointments.
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#42 Dec 22 2011 at 3:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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You know that commercial for Jared Jewelers where a dude is showing Santa the jewelry that he bought for his wife? He shows Santa the jewelry, and Santa goes "She'll love it. Trust me, I know." and gives this big laugh.

I said to my fiance, "You know, every time I watch this commercial, I hear it as Santa implying that he had *** with the guy's wife. Is that weird?"

She called me a pervert. Smiley: frown

Edited, Dec 22nd 2011 4:36pm by Eske
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You know that commercial for Jared Jewelers where a dude is showing Santa the jewelry that he bought for his wife? He shows Santa the jewelry, and Santa goes "She'll love it. Trust me, I know." and gives this big laugh.

I said to my fiance, "You know, every time I watch this commercial, I hear it as Santa implying that he had *** with the guy's wife. Is that weird?"

She called me a pervert. Smiley: frown

Edited, Dec 22nd 2011 4:36pm by Eske


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#45 Dec 22 2011 at 5:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
I like when an actual person tries to tell me that, because then I get to Smiley: schooled them on the history of the holiday.

Jesus is still the reason for said season in that case. The Church wasn't going to just let a bunch of pagan celebrations continue; they could either co-opt them into Christianity or else wipe them out. Co-opting won and thus Jesus is the reason we still maintain those traditions.


Kind of. Jesus's exact birth date is unknown (it's definitely NOT likely to be December 25th), and most scholars (historical, religious or otherwise) believe Jesus was born not in year 0, but actually 4 B.C. The only reason Christmas exists as it does today is because prior pagan rituals centered around the winter solstice already enjoyed extended popularity on the European continent. Celebrating the birth of Christ around the time of those festivals was a matter of religious convenience and simply lowered the resistance when converting the masses. It was religious politics at its finest.





Edited, Dec 22nd 2011 5:47pm by BrownDuck
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#46 Dec 22 2011 at 6:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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So exactly what I said. It was either quash the pagan celebrations that ran counter to Christianity or else co-opt them under the Church's banner. They chose co-opting, otherwise it's very possible that we wouldn't be celebrating much of anything right now much like all those Summer solstice office parties you attend.
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#47 Dec 22 2011 at 6:17 PM Rating: Good
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It was either quash the pagan celebrations that ran counter to Christianity or else co-opt them under the Church's banner.


Sure, if you look at it from the Christian perspective, where the mantra has and always will be "Convert they neighbor". The third option (which you've conveniently ignored) would have been to leave the pagan rituals alone and identify a separate date to celebrate the birth of Christ, allowing those who wish to convert to do so without affecting the existing rituals. The decision to merge the two and consequently make the religions both mutually exclusive and inclusive at the same time was a direct assault on the pagan beliefs, but it made things easier for converts to tolerate, so hey, all's good, yeah?

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The third option...

...was never going to happen. I bet there was a hypothetical option involving ninjas and dinosaurs too but I didn't waste time talking about it.

I don't really care about it and I don't give a shit if someone says "Happy Purely Commercial Secular Holiday!". I'm saying that the fate of the winter solstice celebration was in the Church's hands and they preserved it via linking it to Jesus. Hence, no matter how many knickers get twisted over it, Jesus technically is the reason for the season (although not especially as the church goers would have you believe). For that matter, I don't know how willing your typical southern state fundamentalist would be to credit Holy Rome with making Jesus the reason Smiley: grin

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Jophiel wrote:
It was either quash the pagan celebrations that ran counter to Christianity or else co-opt them under the Church's banner.


Sure, if you look at it from the Christian perspective, where the mantra has and always will be "Convert they neighbor". The third option (which you've conveniently ignored) would have been to leave the pagan rituals alone and identify a separate date to celebrate the birth of Christ, allowing those who wish to convert to do so without affecting the existing rituals. The decision to merge the two and consequently make the religions both mutually exclusive and inclusive at the same time was a direct assault on the pagan beliefs, but it made things easier for converts to tolerate, so hey, all's good, yeah?


I think the point Joph was making was that we might not know about Yule logs and Santa and other winter solstice related celebrations if the predominant religion in Europe for 1500 years hadn't decided to adopt those practices into the birth celebration of their own Deity. Hence his statement about all those summer solstice celebrations you attend each year. How did you celebrate the summer solstice this year? You didn't? Huh... So maybe those traditions exist today *because* Christianity adopted them. Had the church taken that third option, would anyone practice any of that stuff?


Probably not.
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#50 Dec 22 2011 at 8:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
So exactly what I said. It was either quash the pagan celebrations that ran counter to Christianity or else co-opt them under the Church's banner. They chose co-opting, otherwise it's very possible that we wouldn't be celebrating much of anything right now much like all those Summer solstice office parties you attend.


At least Halloween retained its pagan-ish roots. All Saints, my ***.


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