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#1 Dec 22 2011 at 3:25 PM Rating: Excellent

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#2 Dec 22 2011 at 3:27 PM Rating: Good
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If it makes you feel better, I've been up since 7 studying US history from the end of WWII until the present, with a huge part of it going to Nixon and Reagan.

It hasn't been fun.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
If it makes you feel better, I've been up since 7 studying US history from the end of WWII until the present, with a huge part of it going to Nixon and Reagan.

It hasn't been fun.


I love History so I'd probably find that enjoyable, regardless of the content.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
If it makes you feel better, I've been up since 7 studying US history from the end of WWII until the present, with a huge part of it going to Nixon and Reagan.

It hasn't been fun.


I love History so I'd probably find that enjoyable, regardless of the content.


I love history, but not in this form. I love dealing with historical analyses, but this is just facts and dates that I'm expected to regurgitate on the exam. Plus, I hate Reagan and Nixon, so memorizing all the **** they did really isn't that fun.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
If it makes you feel better, I've been up since 7 studying US history from the end of WWII until the present, with a huge part of it going to Nixon and Reagan.

It hasn't been fun.


I love History so I'd probably find that enjoyable, regardless of the content.


I love history, but not in this form. I love dealing with historical analyses, but this is just facts and dates that I'm expected to regurgitate on the exam. Plus, I hate Reagan and Nixon, so memorizing all the sh*t they did really isn't that fun.


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I always found the Nixon era to be a pretty fascinating stretch of years, a little before and a little after. The world changed a lot.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
If it makes you feel better, I've been up since 7 studying US history from the end of WWII until the present, with a huge part of it going to Nixon and Reagan.

It hasn't been fun.


I love History so I'd probably find that enjoyable, regardless of the content.


I love history, but not in this form. I love dealing with historical analyses, but this is just facts and dates that I'm expected to regurgitate on the exam. Plus, I hate Reagan and Nixon, so memorizing all the sh*t they did really isn't that fun.


Gogo United States antiquated teaching methods!

YOU'RE GONNA LEARN THESE FACTS AND @#%^ING LIKE IT!


It's partly my fault. It's a low level course, which I took to add an easy class to my schedule. JOKE'S ON ME. It's all the stuff I suck the most at about my major. It's not completely unsurprising that it's structured this way (which upper levels never are). But I didn't expect it.

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I always found the Nixon era to be a pretty fascinating stretch of years, a little before and a little after. The world changed a lot.


I think the Kennedy>Johnson years are really interesting, but the only thing that interests me during Nixon's years is the changes in the counterculture movement. Foreign affairs are super interesting at the time, but the class is focused on the US. Things start to get exciting when Watergate breaks, but then Ford pardons him and it gets dull again.
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Most of the test was Reaganomics and Medicare. Smiley: frown

Was easy, but SO NOT INTERESTING.
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Technically, you posting that was working...

So is this reply!
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
If it makes you feel better, I've been up since 7 studying US history from the end of WWII until the present, with a huge part of it going to Nixon and Reagan.

It hasn't been fun.



Not fun? Blaspheme. I study that(just replace "US" with "world") for fun.

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I think the Kennedy>Johnson years are really interesting, but the only thing that interests me during Nixon's years is the changes in the counterculture movement. Foreign affairs are super interesting at the time, but the class is focused on the US. Things start to get exciting when Watergate breaks, but then Ford pardons him and it gets dull again


Kennedy was a great leader, and he could have done such great things, but then we ended up with Johnson, who might be one of the absolute worst presidents(IMO). Personally, I don't think Nixon is given enough credit, it's like Watergate overshadows everything else, but while one may not approve of his(and Kissinger's) methods, all in all, he was a decent(good, even) president, and he got sh*t done.
There wasn't much especially notable about Ford's presidency, although he did have a good few years.

Moving forward from that, Carter is a wonderful person, but was not the president that he could have been, partly due to the extent to which his administration was naive, and partly due to things that were beyond his control, my biggest annoyance is how much flak he got after the deal he made with Breznev(spelling?). SALT II was a decent agreement, but at the time, no one seemed to see it that way.

Reagan was the absolute best president for the time period he was elected(so were Thatcher and Gorbachev for that matter, good leaders all around in the 80s), no one could have handled the political climate of the early-mid 80s as well as he did. The west needed a leader like him after the 70s. H.W. Bush has nothing but my respect as well, it's a shame his son isn't more like him.

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yup

Edited, Dec 22nd 2011 3:25pm by Xsarus


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Kennedy was a great leader, and he could have done such great things, but then we ended up with Johnson, who might be one of the absolute worst presidents(IMO).


This is exactly wrong. Johnson was incredibly effective, although his foreign policy sucked. Kennedy was very nearly a disaster.

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TLDR; Kennedy was largely useless and did little, willingly, for our economy, foreign affairs, or civil rights.
Nixon was a pragmatist, and they make terrible presidents. He only ran on popular issues, which crippled the economy and made legislation like a puzzle with all the pieces coming from different sets.
Ford was useless, but that's to be expected of a president no one elected and who was handed a fragmented nation.
Carter was also useless, but that's because he was trying to make necessary, but unpopular, changes. His own unwise cabinet choices also helped lead to his defeat.
Reagan was a nasty piece of work. His economic policy set the stage for our present crisis, and Reaganomics were a joke even then. He blew up our deficit, slashed government revenue, and vastly increased the disparity between rich and poor.[/EDIT]

Yeah, Kennedy was largely a joke. He failed to do anything with the Economy, and had to be pretty much forced into making any civil rights legislation, for fear of further alienating the Southern Democrats. Even the President's Commission on Women was a result of pressure from Eleanor Roosevelt. Unsurprisingly, considering his personal views on women, he couldn't give a crap.

The only thing I'm willing to credit him with is the way he handled the Cuban Missile Crisis. But everything else is largely neutral or pretty bad (such as the Bay of Pigs invasion).

Nixon was a joke. He left the economy in shambles. It wasn't great coming out of Kennedy's years (inflation was the highest it had been in a long time), but it wasn't awful either (primarily because unemployment was low). But Nixon was a toothless git and all of his legislation was based on what would give him high ratings. The result was that nothing ever coordinated well in practice. For example, he established the EPA because of wide-spread support for DDT's repeal. But he never did jack about even more pressing environmental issues.

How extensively he was lying to the public is also a serious issue. He was a nasty piece of work in private, to be sure, but that wouldn't have been a problem if his politics weren't affected by it. But the extent to which he was lying to the American public and Congress about the Cold War (and, more importantly, Vietnam) was a serious, serious issue. Honestly, Watergate's cover-up was one of the least important aspects of the whole ordeal.

By the end of his presidency, inflation had gone higher and unemployment had increased a lot, leading to stagflation.

Ford was, unsurprisingly, useless. You can't really blame him, though. He was handed a pile of **** and had absolutely no public support (though pardoning Nixon didn't help).

Carter wasn't much better, but he did actually try to tackle tough issues (most of which were even larger for him, because Nixon either made them worse or did nothing). But he didn't have much popular support, and he made some really bad choices for his cabinet. I'll credit him with the fact that he wanted to do good and didn't make things worse, but he definitely wasn't a good president.

Then comes Reagan. I completely disagree that he was the president we needed. He completely ignored, and did his best to invalidate the voices of, all the counterculture movements of the previous two decades. And, to be blunt, they were far from being unjustified. His economic policy was, and has always been, a pile of crap. For all of his talk of getting away from an interventionist government, to a small system with low taxes and low regulations, he had to put in a Keynesian policy in his later years precisely to try and stem the recession he was causing. For all his talk against interventionist governments, he had to try and do precisely that when the economy failed under his brilliant plan. And we are still suffering from the changes he made--Americans are more adverse to intervention and taxes than ever, and they hold up the free market he idolized. But the truth is that he proved that none of those things were healthy for an economy.

Reagan did nothing but make the rich richer--he expected an economic boom with his policies, and he found they did nothing but lead to a stagnant market.

Even worse? He refused to do anything to stop outsourcing. Most of America's major economic problems go straight back to this period, where businesses really started to flee the US en masse. Reagan refused to pass any legislation stopping it, because he didn't want to get involved with the market.

Not to mention the fact that spending was the highest with him than ever before, because of his massive defense budget. And he had no problems tossing tax payer money to research problems that had zero probability of success (ballistic-missile defenses). When he left office, the deficit was higher than it had ever been, because his spending was massive and he wasn't generating any revenue to take care of it.

I could go on, but I'll stop there. The only thing I can really respect Reagan on is his appointment of Sandra Day O' Conner, who I don't even like. But her appointment when against his Moral Majority supporter's wishes, and (although conservative), she's at least not a puppet to ideology--she always approached every issue on a case-by-case policy, and never voted in favor of civil injustices.

Though, in the end, he doesn't even hold a candle to how much I hate Newt Gingrich, so meh.

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TLDR; Kennedy was largely useless and did little, willingly, for our economy, foreign affairs, or civil rights.


He didn't exactly have the time to do much before he was assassinated. I feel that he could have gone on to be one of the best presidents. Bay of Pigs aside(major error in judgement), he handled most of what he had to deal with quite well, I hate to think of what would have happened with anyone else in charge during the missile crisis.

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This is exactly wrong. Johnson was incredibly effective, although his foreign policy sucked. Kennedy was very nearly a disaster.


I'll admit that, domestically, Johnson was wonderful, but his terrible handling of foreign affairs, especially concerning Vietnam, was absolutely terrible, and I just can't look past it. Johnson might have been much better suited as a president of the 50s or 90s than the 60s. Right guy, wrong time period.

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Nixon was a pragmatist, and they make terrible presidents. He only ran on popular issues, which crippled the economy and made legislation like a puzzle with all the pieces coming from different sets.


Nixon was like the polar opposite of Johnson, IMO. Not very good domestically, but I have to applaud his approach to foreign affairs. His policy towards China was something that I feel was very much needed in a world where it seemed to be East vs. West. In beginning the end to the Vietnam war, he may have royally screwed the south Vietnamese, but it was a lost war, and he saw that, and did what he needed to do to stop the needless loss of life. While one may look down on the way he and Kissinger went behind the rest of the governments backs, often, to get things done, I see it as a brilliant way of doing business in that period.

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Ford was useless, but that's to be expected of a president no one elected and who was handed a fragmented nation.


Yeah, Ford was somewhat of a non-entity president, one of few in the 20th century. Not much notable about his presidency aside from his clumsiness and his pardoning of Nixon(which I actually agree with).

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Carter was also useless, but that's because he was trying to make necessary, but unpopular, changes. His own unwise cabinet choices also helped lead to his defeat.


I agree completely. I admire and greatly respect Jimmy Carter, but his presidency was kind of a huge letdown and a good example of what not to do when you're elected president of the USA, especially during a major cold war with another huge nation.

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Then comes Reagan. I completely disagree that he was the president we needed. He completely ignored, and did his best to invalidate the voices of, all the counterculture movements of the previous two decades. And, to be blunt, they were far from being unjustified. His economic policy was, and has always been, a pile of crap. For all of his talk of getting away from an interventionist government, to a small system with low taxes and low regulations, he had to put in a Keynesian policy in his later years precisely to try and stem the recession he was causing. For all his talk against interventionist governments, he had to try and do precisely that when the economy failed under his brilliant plan. And we are still suffering from the changes he made--Americans are more adverse to intervention and taxes than ever, and they hold up the free market he idolized. But the truth is that he proved that none of those things were healthy for an economy.


See, the thing is, I'm not great with economics. Considering that I never lived during any of these presidents' times, I can't even begin to imagine the economic climate, however, I have a lot of interest in foreign affairs, military affairs, and to an extent, domestic affairs. I can go on and on about the cold war, and base my opinions of presidents on that, but I can't even begin to try and talk economics. But yes, even I can see how terrible he was economically.

As far as foreign affairs go, Reagan was the guy we, the west, needed. We needed someone who could simultaneously take a hard line towards the Soviet Union, while realizing that Gorbachev was "someone we could do business with", and indeed, working towards doing business with him.

Everywhere else, it's not hard to list off the many, many stupid, unneccessary, even ridiculous(Star Wars) things he did. But I can't help but respect a president who goes in, and just does everything as per his own beliefs as opposed to what will get him re-elected. My respect for Ronald Reagan is more for the man himself than his actions.

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If you **** manage to elect Gingrich, or Perry or Romney for that matter, I'm getting off the continent. Then again, I can't see them being any worse that Obama has proven to be, but I can't see them being better either.
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I can't see them being any worse that Obama has proven to be, but I can't see them being better either.


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I'm sorry but on no occaision has obama been as bad as this:



I'd be willing to perhaps allow you to argue some sort of twisted equivalency between the other two and obama is even remotely plausible, but Perry is like GWD on diet of paint chips.

I'm also really sick of hearing the wailing about Obama on both sides of the spectrum.

His campaign set him up to dissapoint everyone who he didn't enrage for becoming president in a country where a lot of people still only think old white men should be president (not saying their racists, but...) - lets be honest here, however, as far as American presidents go, he hasn't been arguably worse than any of them.

The recession and America/the world's debt problems are nothing more than the flowering of twisted ideas of commerce, banking, interest/usury, etc. that continue to proliferate and are not seriously challenged by even the most radical and unelectable candidates for political office that one ever hears of. Obama just happened to preside over the steaming shat pile that splurted from the **** of advanced techno-capitalism. I'm sure Hoover was just as unfortunate.

Aren't "market corrections" fun?

As it relates to my opinon, the repeal of don't ask, don't tell, gives him some credit. I'm far more left wing that anything that gets elected in America, so I'm not particulary enthused by his record - but I did actually shed a tear when he got elected. It was a powerful moment, regardless of the fact that probably everyone in the room with me at the time (it was a bunch of politicos who are also left of Obama) knew on some level or another, that the change in the pictures and commercials was more heart-rending promise than truth. (As it always is?)

But Obama's campaign really ffed him over because it created the kind of adulation and exaultation that could never be satisfied in real life. If he gets reelected, it will more because of ineptitude of the pubbies than any satisfaction that progressive Americans feel in his performance. If he loses, it will be more because he created unrealistic expectations than because his actions were inadequate.

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I'd be willing to perhaps allow you to argue some sort of twisted equivalency between the other two and obama is even remotely plausible, but Perry is like GWD on diet of paint chips.

I'm also really sick of hearing the wailing about Obama on both sides of the spectrum.

His campaign set him up to dissapoint everyone who he didn't enrage for becoming president in a country where a lot of people still only think old white men should be president (not saying their racists, but...) - lets be honest here, however, as far as American presidents go, he hasn't been arguably worse than any of them.

The recession and America/the world's debt problems are nothing more than the flowering of twisted ideas of commerce, banking, interest/usury, etc. that continue to proliferate and are not seriously challenged by even the most radical and unelectable candidates for political office that one ever hears of. Obama just happened to preside over the steaming shat pile that splurted from the **** of advanced techno-capitalism. I'm sure Hoover was just as unfortunate.

Aren't "market corrections" fun?

As it relates to my opinon, the repeal of don't ask, don't tell, gives him some credit. I'm far more left wing that anything that gets elected in America, so I'm not particulary enthused by his record - but I did actually shed a tear when he got elected. It was a powerful moment, regardless of the fact that probably everyone in the room with me at the time (it was a bunch of politicos who are also left of Obama) knew on some level or another, that the change in the pictures and commercials was more heart-rending promise than truth. (As it always is?)

But Obama's campaign really ffed him over because it created the kind of adulation and exaultation that could never be satisfied in real life. If he gets reelected, it will more because of ineptitude of the pubbies than any satisfaction that progressive Americans feel in his performance. If he loses, it will be more because he created unrealistic expectations than because his actions were inadequate.


I shed a tear myself when he was elected, doesn`t change the fact that aside from a few things, the repeal of DADT being one of those few(so very few) things, he hasn`t been any good. And I`m not talking about economic issues. I`m talking about how, time and time again, he shows that he`s a coward, a pushover, and will do anything to appease the republicans. I put him on the same level as those GOP candidates because a lot of his policy decisions seem to fall in line with what they`d like to have done if it wasn`t being done by a democrat.

The man has no @#%^ing balls. He is an absolutely terrible leader, I almost want to see a bad GOP candidate win just to see him lose based on his own lack of action. Maybe a little more use of his veto powers, and working on the corruption that is currently plaguing the government would change my mind, but he actually seems dead set on not doing a single goddamned thing unless someone`s getting paid, or if it means the republicans won`t block it.

Also, you seem to be using the, "well, he`s not this dumb" argument, when all I`m saying, is that maybe while one may not agree with what the dumb one does, at least the dumb one does something.

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It's fair to compare Obama to Romney. Comparing him to Perry insults Obama's intellect, and comparing him to Gingrich insults his demeanor.

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This seems like the thread to tell you all that I got a call about a job I applied for today. :D

That is all.
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Good luck, Belkira! Hope it's not on a sugar plantation or some such.

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This seems like the thread to tell you all that I got a call about a job I applied for today. :D

That is all.

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This sounds like the thread to post that the company I work for is getting acquired, so uh, good times.

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Way to go Belkira, I hope it works out excellently for you. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and all that stuff.
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This sounds like the thread to post that the company I work for is getting acquired, so uh, good times.


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This seems like the thread to tell you all that I got a call about a job I applied for today. :D


Timelordwho wrote:
This sounds like the thread to post that the company I work for is getting acquired, so uh, good times.


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#31 Dec 29 2011 at 1:53 PM Rating: Good
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I have an interview on Friday at some tax prep place. I really really wish the medical center would call me back. I would so rather work there.
#32 Dec 29 2011 at 1:58 PM Rating: Good
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Belkira wrote:
I have an interview on Friday at some tax prep place. I really really wish the medical center would call me back. I would so rather work there.


Don't worry, they will.

...two weeks after you accept the other job.
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#33 Dec 29 2011 at 3:06 PM Rating: Good
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Good luck, Bel!
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