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#1 Dec 25 2011 at 4:42 AM Rating: Good
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So I'm not a fan of religion but I do enjoy Christmas. Some 'friends' said I was mocking Christianity by celebrating the birth of Christ when I was not Christian.

Personally I just think it's great to take a day to spend time with friends and family and exchange gifts to show you give a ****. I also think that Jesus probably was a good enough guy to be celebrated; I just think that's all he was.

Is anyone actually offended by non-believers participating in their holiday?
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Non-Believers having any sort of fun or celebration during the Christmas season is a big ********** you and your baby Jesus" to those believers. Don't you watch Comedy Central?
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Or Fox News?


Any way, it's Sol Invictus today. You fucking heathens with your fancy churches and popes and crap like that! Smiley: motz
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Is anybody? I'm sure someone is. I'm not that someone though.

In the grand scale of symbolism in holidays though, Easter is more spiritually meaningful than Christmas is. Not that I care about anyone celebrating Easter either.

Speaking of, we were in the cab going to the airport yesterday when that "Do they know it's Christmas time at all?" song was playing. I told Flea "Given that much of Africa is Muslim, I'm going to guess there's a good chance not".

Edited, Dec 25th 2011 8:49am by Jophiel
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I tease Elne and her girls about Christmas all the time, since they are not believers. Now that the oldest is in partnership with a Jewish man, its even more eclectic for the grand kids.

Jesus was a Jew, so anyone can celebrate his birthday regardless of their belief in him as Savior and Son of God.
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Also, for an extra 2 cents worth, East if much more important as Joph already commented.

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After I gave up Christianity for Lent,(j/k about Lent, I never quite was able to give up anything for Lent as a child) I continue to keep Christmas out of tradition for the Children and family who still were believers.

My Ex's family were not very religious, but kept the holidays and my own family was a mix of believers and questioning faith, but my Mom got us together for a wonderful Christmas Dinner each year. During her last years, my mom refused to go to Mass each Sunday so I did not have to worry about making sure my girls had proper dresses to wear each year.

Now that she is gone, I have continue the Christmas Dinner with my Family and added Hanukkah this year for my future son-in-law. My Daughter is going to convert, before they get married, so I want to respect their faith too.
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Seems like believers would be happy about non-believers wanting to participate. I always thought Christmas was a brilliant marketing plan for Christianity, personally.

"Come to a Christian church! We get presents! And, oh yeah, peace on earth and stuff."

What kind of follower of Christ would NOT want people to want peace on earth?

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Jophiel wrote:
Speaking of, we were in the cab going to the airport yesterday when that "Do they know it's Christmas time at all?" song was playing. I told Flea "Given that much of Africa is Muslim, I'm going to guess there's a good chance not".

Did Hafid the cab driver know it was Christmas?
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Well, ****. Why should they get offended? They stole just about all of it from us pagans anyhow. The tree, the mistletoe, the gifts, even the date, pretty much all lifted wholesale from various pagan traditions. Pretty silly to be offended about non-believers celebrating when we came up with the whole thing in the first place.

Anyhow, may everyone have a:

Festive Yule
Merry Christmas
Happy Hanukkah
Festive Kwanzaa
Happy Festivus
Happy Wintereenmas
Happy Hearth's Warming
Happy Winter Veil

That's all I can think of. And, uh, if I missed yours, well then: Happy/Joyous/Festive/Merry whatever-it-is. Smiley: nod
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just remind them that jesus wasn't born in December

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Well, there's a 1-in-12 chance he was. And a 1-in-365 chance he was born on Dec. 25th.
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Jophiel wrote:
Well, there's a 1-in-12 chance he was. And a 1-in-365 chance he was born on Dec. 25th.


I wouldnt bet on odds like that
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Jophiel, back when I was in Seminary, the one month we were told Jesus was not born in was December. That is if the birth accounts about shepherds in the field are correct. Seems the flocks are not in the fields in December in Palestine during the era he was born.
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#14 Dec 25 2011 at 4:43 PM Rating: Good
I read somewhere that the "watching the flocks at night" indicated lambing season, making it March or April.
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Clearly it was a metaphor.
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I read somewhere that the "watching the flocks at night" indicated lambing season, making it March or April.

Could be. I'll be first to admit that I was being flip. In that "no one knows when" could mean "coincidentally on this very date..."
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Those bozos lost the War on Christmas as soon as they let Santa be its symbol

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Allegory wrote:
Clearly it was a metaphor.



Or a euphemism.

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#19 Dec 25 2011 at 8:46 PM Rating: Good
Remind me to stop taking this place seriously.Smiley: facepalm

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Metaphorically speaking Bijou?
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What? Maybe the translator switched the verbs around, and the shepherds kept laying their sheep.

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Must have been scottish.
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It really doesn't matter, nor should anyone care how you celebrate what (to an extent). The US nation (on both sides)severely overreacts when it comes to religion.
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Well, sh*t. Why should they get offended? They stole just about all of it from us pagans anyhow. The tree, the mistletoe, the gifts, even the date, pretty much all lifted wholesale from various pagan traditions. Pretty silly to be offended about non-believers celebrating when we came up with the whole thing in the first place.
So, you're a pagan now?
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Princess ShadorVIII wrote:
Well, sh*t. Why should they get offended? They stole just about all of it from us pagans anyhow. The tree, the mistletoe, the gifts, even the date, pretty much all lifted wholesale from various pagan traditions. Pretty silly to be offended about non-believers celebrating when we came up with the whole thing in the first place.
So, you're a pagan now?


Keep up, Poldy.
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Princess ShadorVIII wrote:
Well, sh*t. Why should they get offended? They stole just about all of it from us pagans anyhow. The tree, the mistletoe, the gifts, even the date, pretty much all lifted wholesale from various pagan traditions. Pretty silly to be offended about non-believers celebrating when we came up with the whole thing in the first place.
So, you're a pagan now?
Keep up, Poldy.
Where did this happen? One of those 40 page Almabaji argument threads? I can never pay attention to those for more than a few pages.
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Belkira wrote:
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Princess ShadorVIII wrote:
Well, sh*t. Why should they get offended? They stole just about all of it from us pagans anyhow. The tree, the mistletoe, the gifts, even the date, pretty much all lifted wholesale from various pagan traditions. Pretty silly to be offended about non-believers celebrating when we came up with the whole thing in the first place.
So, you're a pagan now?


Keep up, Poldy.
I guess I missed where he was pagan. I thought he was still just a hypervigilant atheist, though I suppose the two aren't mutually exclusive.

Also, I really like the use of "we" and "us" in that quote, like Shador was part of the creative process.

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He might have been part of when they made up modern "paganism" a few decades ago and started pretending it was Olde Smiley: laugh
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I totally follow the old Norse pantheon. They're a fun bunch.

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Well, there's a 1-in-12 chance he was. And a 1-in-365 chance he was born on Dec. 25th.


I wouldnt bet on odds like that

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I totally follow the old Norse pantheon. They're a fun bunch.



Agreed. Norse heaven sounds awesome. Drinking, fighting, and wenching. Priorities.
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I totally follow the old Norse pantheon. They're a fun bunch.

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I totally follow the old Norse pantheon. They're a fun bunch.

'Til your hair gets stolen.


Hey, remember that time Loki turned into a female horse, then had *** with that other horse, and then gave birth to that eight-legged horse?

Good times man, good times.
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Jophiel wrote:
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I totally follow the old Norse pantheon. They're a fun bunch.

'Til your hair gets stolen.


Hey, remember that time Loki turned into a female horse, then had *** with that other horse, and then gave birth to that eight-legged horse?

Good times man, good times.


Pretty sure I saw that video on the internet somewhere.
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I totally follow the old Norse pantheon. They're a fun bunch.

'Til your hair gets stolen.


Hey, remember that time Loki turned into a female horse, then had *** with that other horse, and then gave birth to that eight-legged horse?

Good times man, good times.


Pretty sure I saw that video on the internet somewhere.


You mean this?
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Lady Jinte wrote:
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I totally follow the old Norse pantheon. They're a fun bunch.

'Til your hair gets stolen.


Hey, remember that time Loki turned into a female horse, then had *** with that other horse, and then gave birth to that eight-legged horse?

Good times man, good times.


Pretty sure I saw that video on the internet somewhere.


You mean this?


Oh god dammit.
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I totally follow the old Norse pantheon. They're a fun bunch.

'Til your hair gets stolen.


Hey, remember that time Loki turned into a female horse, then had *** with that other horse, and then gave birth to that eight-legged horse?

Good times man, good times.


Pretty sure I saw that video on the internet somewhere.


You mean this?


Oh god dammit.


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I am actually more offended by people that call themselves Christians suddenly trying to mimmick a Christian life for this brief time.. only to go back to ignoring God's Word for the rest of the year..
Ironically is has grown into the same form of religious legalism that Christ so vehemently spoke against..

Our new tradition of a New Years Resolution is eerily similar to the Jewish Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement).. when they are called to reflect on their sins and attempt to improve themselves.. all the time ignoring that Christ has provided the only way to Atonement. (Since on 70AD the actual Biblical Yom Kippur became impossible to follow after the Romans destroyed God's Temple)..
Legalism in the highest
So indeed I suppose it is sadly amusing that many people find it in themselves to actually attempt to treat others with respect and dignity in the name of the "holiday spirit".. and then just go back to normal later..

I suppose that Christmas in modern day really is more similar to the Roman holiday of Saturnalia:

- Slaves let off work
- People wore stupid outfits
- party party party
- seasonal games
- fur trimmed coats
- great country wide preparations
- Rampant overeating and drunkenness
- candles
- human (and other) shaped cookies
- gift-giving
- greeting cards
- special foods

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****, man. I bet you're a hoot at holiday parties.
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Myself and all of my brothers are atheists, and we celebrate Xmas the same way we always have with our Christian family. Even when I was a devout Christian, even among my church congregation, there were only about 1% of us who did more than casually observe the religious elements. The fact that in our perfectly normal Christmases, nothing changes regardless of our beliefs tells me that Christmas is already a mostly secular holiday.

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Sick want to ask me if we wanted to put neo odinism down on the children's school registration for a religion just to see what they would stay down here. I admit I thought about it for a while before declining

They asked about religion on the school app? Man, NC is worse than TN.
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They asked about religion on the school app? Man, NC is worse than TN.

They don't. It was just a conversation we had prior to the school application for Ashe and he had mentioned if that was on there, we should put it down
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Yeah, but that's such a pain to keep up for the other 364 days.
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Sick want to ask me if we wanted to put neo odinism down on the children's school registration for a religion just to see what they would stay down here. I admit I thought about it for a while before declining

They asked about religion on the school app? Man, NC is worse than TN.

They don't. It was just a conversation we had prior to the school application for Ashe and he had mentioned if that was on there, we should put it down

Ah, gotcha.
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I used to have some customers that didn't believe in Christmas. They were from southern Mexico. Really nice people but they were always happy around Christmas because they didn't have to work.
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I used to have some customers that didn't believe in Christmas. They were from southern Mexico. Really nice people but they were always happy around Christmas because they didn't have to work. spiked eggnog.


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I used to have some customers that didn't believe in Christmas. They were from southern Mexico. Really nice people but they were always happy around Christmas because they didn't have to work. spiked eggnog.


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My mother bought brandy this year so she could have eggnog the way she had it when she was a kid in Germany.
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