North Korea declares war (again) on South KoreaFollow

Part of me wouldn't mind a North Korean Pants Medal.

I wonder if there is a Baking Medal? I could totally earn one.

Thankfully there's a medal for that.

Or...

3. DPRK fires something, kills a bunch of people in SK. The nutty liberal anti-war crowd in the US takes this as an excuse to argue that we shouldn't have been in the region anyway since our presence is what's causing all the strife, and we pull out in order to appease them. China gets the hegemony they've been building towards for the last 50 years.

I don't think that's likely to happen, and I believe that threading the needle between just enough to make that argument work in the US, and enough that we'll just flatten NK would be nearly impossible, but scenario 3 is exactly what the Chinese want to happen. I'll also point out that us flattening NK and then withdrawing from the region works for them too. The only actual lose scenario for China is one in which the US commits to *more* military/economic presence in this theater, which is unlikely to happen. Doubly so given we wont ever actually do anything directly to China unless they overtly do something directly to us. They're more than willing to let NK do something crazy, allow us to bomb NK in retaliation, but then step in and insist that we can't actually overthrow the NK regime with threat of getting directly involved if we do (more or less exactly what they did during the Korean war). If NK "wins", China wins. If NK loses, China maintains the status quo.

I think war would turn out better for North Korea. After being obliterated, they would have to start over with a new government and all. I see it as being put in time out, like Germany and Japan.

We're talking about N korea, not Iraq and Afghanistan. A war with N Korea would last 30 mins. The entire war would be different. We would be fighting an actual army, in a known environment that we've been practicing against for 50+ years.

The aftermath is what I'm referencing to. No one has to pay to rebuild anything. If NK starts it, it's their responsibility to pay for their own reconstruction. Do you think NK will give money to aid ROK/USA? As long as the citizens are able to work and earn money, they are better off than what they were.

KJU will continue walk the line between acting just aggressive enough to maintain his crazy despotism, while capitulating to outside forces enough to get the aid and/or trade necessary to keep his people from starving and outright revolting. And so on for another 40 years.

The problem is Kim Jong Un is putting himself in a situation where hes going to have to put up or shut up. If he doesnt do something the military/people will lose respect for him for backing down, possibly making him a puppet leader. The sanctions are because we can't back down to missile testing/Nuke testing, while trying to enforce it on everyone else.

Honestly the best solution would be a covert assassination in a way that cant be traced back to US. But I think its to late for that now.



He had aid, then decided to do nuclear tests and missile tests, thinking they could get away with them. Where most then sanctioned them into oblivion . His people are already starving, as for the people revolting its near impossible. Most there see The Kim Jong family as "gods" and anyone to even mention anti NK get themselves AND their entire family put in prison.

North Korea Strange Cultural Facts Not the best source of news but found that a interesting read

Can NK have a small staged victory without, at least, a handful of casualties?

We're not playing "Capture the Flag". Finding all of the nuclear material isn't the same as defeating NK. If it took 3 months to defeat NK, it would be because we allowed the ROK to "lead" the war for 2.5 of those months (or some other political nonsense).



Fission bombs aren't necessary. I'm assuming that you're not familiar with NK capabilities and their terrain. There's a reason why NK focuses on bombs and missiles, because they have nothing. Their best strategy is to do massive damage in one (or collective) attack. After that attack, they're done.

Success in 3 easy steps:

1. Go in
2. Kill
3. Celebrate in the ville.

Do you remember NK geography? It's some of the most gorgeous in the world. When it's not going up at 45 degrees it's going down at 90 degrees. They have their flats, but the only reason it's not mostly Kokoda Trail is that it's not in the Tropics. You can't fight a ground war there that'll last less than a year. Even if most of the population drops dead of starvation or surrenders on the spot.

You can carpet bomb them all you want. You'll eventually need someone sane in power to surrender the nation to you.

Grenada