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#1 May 01 2013 at 7:10 AM Rating: Good
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If the Syrian Gov is found to be using chemical weapons on the rebels, Obamer says it's a game-changer. Apparently he draws the next line of no-crossing here.

Every pundit and their bro is speculating on what, if any, action would be appropriate if the 'game changes'.

Honestly, i don't quite understand why the use of chemical weapons should be such a game-changer - violence is violence, dead is dead. Wouldn't numbers of civilians dead be a better metric to make offensive-action type decisions on?

Anyways, should we exert more military influence on the events unfolding in Syria?

Have we learned enough, or anything, from the recent mid-east wars we've been in and are still entangled in?
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#2 May 01 2013 at 7:14 AM Rating: Good
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If the Syrian Gov is found to be using chemical weapons on the rebels, Obamer says it's a game-changer.


He's lying. There's no win for the US in Syria, the best case in a realpolitik sense is exactly what's happening now. The US will endeavor to drag out the conflict for as long as possible. If it becomes clear one side or another is close to "winning" that might be a "game changer", Expect the US to arm the rebels when it becomes clear they're failing badly.
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#3 May 01 2013 at 7:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Have we learned enough, or anything, from the recent mid-east wars we've been in and are still entangled in?
We haven't learned ****.
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#4 May 01 2013 at 7:36 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
Have we learned enough, or anything, from the recent mid-east wars we've been in and are still entangled in?
We haven't learned sh*t.

I've learned some geography. I know where Syria, Afghanistan, Kuwait, etc are now on the big map.
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#5 May 01 2013 at 8:27 AM Rating: Good
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Today's poli-cartoon, while not very witty is relevant.....

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#6 May 01 2013 at 8:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Washington Post reports that we're preparing to send armaments to the Syrian rebels. There's no real public support for a full-on military intervention though.
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#7 May 01 2013 at 8:40 AM Rating: Good
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Today's poli-cartoon
I prefer Kelly's politoons on The Onion.
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#8 May 01 2013 at 8:44 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
Honestly, i don't quite understand why the use of chemical weapons should be such a game-changer - violence is violence, dead is dead. Wouldn't numbers of civilians dead be a better metric to make offensive-action type decisions on?


I suppose, were one inclined, one might make the case that chemical weapons in the area could pose a more potent threat to US interests [Israel] than any small arms/artillery killing might. Not the kind of power that one would like a destabilized government to possess, and not something that one would like to see suddenly go "unaccounted for" in any aftermath.

I don't really feel inclined, though. I'm eating a corn muffin.
#9 May 01 2013 at 9:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
Anyways, should we exert more military influence on the events unfolding in Syria?

Not really. It's Assad vs. Al Qaeda; once one of them wins they'll turn their attention back to us/Israel. Best to let them bomb each other for a change.

Elinda wrote:
Have we learned enough, or anything, from the recent mid-east wars we've been in and are still entangled in?

15 years ago I wouldn't have been able to say Al Qaeda. Smiley: cool
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#10 May 01 2013 at 9:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's Assad vs. Al Qaeda;
So we should go back into Iraq?
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#11 May 01 2013 at 9:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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someproteinguy wrote:
It's Assad vs. Al Qaeda;
So we should go back into Iraq to the past?
No! Marty! We've already agreed that having information about the future can be extremely dangerous. Even if your intentions are good, it can backfire drastically!
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That's Libya!
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#13 May 01 2013 at 9:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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lolgaxe wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
It's Assad vs. Al Qaeda;
So we should go back into Iraq?
I'm still trying to get my head around the irony of having a Democratic administration start a war over WMDs. Granted they actually seem to be using them in this case.
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#14 May 01 2013 at 9:30 AM Rating: Good
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"It'd be different if opposite party was in charge" is one of the funniest arguments I've ever heard.
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#15 May 01 2013 at 9:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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(1) There's already a war in Syria. We'd just be (more obviously) choosing sides
(2) The chance of us sending "boots on the ground" is about half of nil.
(3) The most I could imagine us doing would be air support like the early days of Libya; striking military targets and setting up a No-Fly Zone. I'm skeptical we'll do that much but can't imagine us going beyond it.
(4) I don't think there's much optimism that the Syrian opposition movement will become best friends with the US, hence the lack of enthusiasm to even arm them overtly.
(5) I'm a bit put off by McCain & Co saying "Yippee, now we can go to war" over the preliminary results for chemical weapons. Without knowing exactly who used them, what they were and related things they'd have us jump in over it. Granted, they wanted us to jump in anyway so I suppose any pretext is a good one but I agree that basing it over barely investigated WMDs would be especially ironic.

Edited, May 1st 2013 10:38am by Jophiel
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#16 May 01 2013 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
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someproteinguy wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Anyways, should we exert more military influence on the events unfolding in Syria?

Not really. It's Assad vs. Al Qaeda; once one of them wins they'll turn their attention back to us/Israel. Best to let them bomb each other for a change.

Or we could take them both out in one fell swoop with our own bomb?
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#17 May 01 2013 at 11:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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We can just bomb the survivors; more cost effective that way.
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#18 May 01 2013 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
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someproteinguy wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Anyways, should we exert more military influence on the events unfolding in Syria?

Not really. It's Assad vs. Al Qaeda; once one of them wins they'll turn their attention back to us/Israel. Best to let them bomb each other for a change.

Or we could take them both out in one fell swoop with our own bomb?

Thus falling into the obvious trap. It's page ******* one of AQS2020.
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#19 May 01 2013 at 4:19 PM Rating: Good
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Timelordwho wrote:
Debalic wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
Elinda wrote:
Anyways, should we exert more military influence on the events unfolding in Syria?

Not really. It's Assad vs. Al Qaeda; once one of them wins they'll turn their attention back to us/Israel. Best to let them bomb each other for a change.

Or we could take them both out in one fell swoop with our own bomb?

Thus falling into the obvious trap. It's page @#%^ing one of AQS2020.

Obvious joke is obvious. It's a take on the old "nuke the entire Middle East" shtick.
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#20 May 02 2013 at 2:43 AM Rating: Good
Have I got suck in a timewarp? Hasn't the US government been arming the rebels for ages?
#21 May 02 2013 at 6:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Since we supply ~30% of the market, that's usually true even if it's not our policy.
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#22 May 02 2013 at 6:17 AM Rating: Good
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Have I got suck in a timewarp? Hasn't the US government been arming the rebels for ages?
We are the arms of the world. Gimme a big hug.
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#23 May 02 2013 at 7:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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You can't hug children with nuclear arms, but either way they'll still feel warm afterwards.
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#24 May 02 2013 at 7:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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You can't hug children with nuclear arms, but either way they'll still feel warm afterwards.


And you'll still get to see their glowing faces smiles.
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Have I got suck in a timewarp? Hasn't the US government been arming the rebels for ages?

Not overtly. We've almost certainly been providing some sort of aid and assistance through Turkey. We've also (I believe) been providing non-military aid.

The rebels want antitank and antiaircraft weapons and I don't think we're in any hurry to provide them. If it came down to it, I think we'd rather blow up Syrian tanks ourselves than give the rebels a bunch of antitank weapons.

Edited, May 2nd 2013 8:21am by Jophiel
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Congress just spent an extra, what, $430m on tanks that I'm sure we can give them. We sure as hell didn't want them.
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