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#1 May 24 2013 at 10:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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In short, the county doesn't have enough money to staff their 911 call center 24/7 so calls get transferred to the state office who can't really respond swiftly. Locals have voted down funding measures, so the situation is mostly of their own choosing. The state is considering stepping in and in a sense forcing them to raise their taxes to fund the call center.

On one hand, if the state is filling in somewhat already, there's an argument for having the locals pay their own bills. On the other, it goes against the will of the people, even if they may be shooting themselves in the foot (hopefully not literally, because no one will send an ambulance their way if they do).

Should the state step in and force the tax increase?
Yes, there's a level of public safety that needs to be enforced. :12 (52.2%)
No, the local people have the right to make their own decisions.:1 (4.3%)
Seriously, I don't care.:1 (4.3%)
If you punch your neighbor in the face and no one responds to the 911 call, did you really commit a crime?:9 (39.1%)
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For my opinion? I'm all for local populations choosing their own tax rates, etc. The thing that bothers me most is that the state is answering the calls, meaning people elsewhere (i.e. me) are paying for it instead. In which case I say get off your butt and fund your own social services. Smiley: tongue

There's plenty we can do without if we choose too, but I'm not convinced emergency response is one of those things.

What say you?
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#2 May 24 2013 at 10:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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If they want to Darwin themselves, let them. I'm fine with paying a few bucks to insure that an ambulance gets to my place in an expedient manner and takes away whoever it was I just shot twice. Just put out an ad in the Pennysaver or whatever telling people assaulted, raped, maimed, sick, dying, or killed to take plenty of photos so when the police and doctors finally get to you you have some evidence of what happened.

Edited, May 24th 2013 12:25pm by lolgaxe
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#3 May 24 2013 at 10:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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#4 May 24 2013 at 10:58 AM Rating: Good
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I'm fine with paying a few bucks to insure that an ambulance gets to my place in an expedient manner and takes away whoever it was I just shot twice.


What the hell am I paying property taxes for already?
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Kaelesh wrote:
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I'm fine with paying a few bucks to insure that an ambulance gets to my place in an expedient manner and takes away whoever it was I just shot twice.


What the hell am I paying property taxes for already?


My understanding from the story the area in question had a very large section of National Forests, and because of that used to get a large amount of Federal money, and that money has dried up. Taxes in the area were very low because of the Federal cash, but now that the Federal cash isn't there, the people don't want to pay more to make up for that lack of income.
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#6 May 24 2013 at 11:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Seriously, it's Oregon; who cares? It's nothing but hipsters and meth labs.
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Portland just voted down fluoridating their water so I guess the whole state is going to hell.
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#8 May 24 2013 at 11:18 AM Rating: Good
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Seriously, it's Oregon; who cares?
"At least we're not Arizona!"
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#9 May 24 2013 at 11:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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TirithRR wrote:
My understanding from the story the area in question had a very large section of National Forests, and because of that used to get a large amount of Federal money, and that money has dried up. Taxes in the area were very low because of the Federal cash, but now that the Federal cash isn't there, the people don't want to pay more to make up for that lack of income.
IIRC it was one of those areas that got set aside by Clinton on his way out?

It's pretty much where most of western Oregon/Washington has found itself over the last couple of decades. They kinda hit peak timber, and the scale back hasn't exactly gone well.

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Portland just voted down fluoridating their water so I guess the whole state is going to hell.
It's the new hippie thing. Flouride kills people or something, so they take it out of the water. You give the kids little pills every day until they're 18 instead. It's annoying because the 2 year old gets half a tablet a day, which meant cutting a lot of little tiny tablets in half. Not exactly an exciting Saturday afternoon.
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#10 May 24 2013 at 11:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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Seriously, it's Oregon; who cares?
"At least we're not ArizonaNigeria!"

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#11 May 24 2013 at 11:30 AM Rating: Good
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It's the new hippie thing. Fluoride kills people or something, so they take it out of the water. You give the kids little pills every day until they're 18 instead. It's annoying because the 2 year old gets half a tablet a day, which meant cutting a lot of little tiny tablets in half. Not exactly an exciting Saturday afternoon.


Fluoride pills? How's that work? I thought the idea of fluoride was to make contact with the teeth.
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#12 May 24 2013 at 11:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have no idea, I'm assuming it makes it's way into the teeth through the body (which to me sounds way worse than actually having it in the water, but whatever...). The ADA says it's okay, so it must be right?

Right?!

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Ingesting fluoride through water additive = not ok.
Ingesting fluoride through pills = ok.

Sound logic there, if I do say so myself.

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From the people, not the FDA.

Edited, May 24th 2013 2:09pm by TirithRR
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For what it's worth I think the logic was something like "the risk is only worth it for kids." This way they're the only ones getting it in their system. Other people who apparently don't benefit (at least as much) from it aren't exposed.
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You have to remember that everyone in Oregon is the decendant of someone who was kicked out of some other state for being crazy, but weren't smart enough to keep going north to Washington or South to California. Their entire government is a textbook example of what not to do when attempting to run a state. The only reason they still exist as a government entity is they have no sales tax, so they get the bulk of large purchases from boardering washington and California cities.
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#16 May 24 2013 at 12:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thanks for that btw, it's been really helpful. Smiley: thumbsup

Also, when you all going to pay for your half of that bridge you use to get here? You know some of us prefer to replace these things before they're so weak a Canadian can knock them over. Smiley: tongue

Edited, May 24th 2013 12:15pm by someproteinguy
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#17 May 25 2013 at 2:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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I suspect they'll suddenly find money here in the next couple of weeks so they can say "Look, see? new bridge over there!". I hope they do at any rate, for at least one rather ironic (maybe hilarious coincidence? I dunno) and yet very important to me personally reason. It looks like we've got enough funding for it to keep the whole thing on life support for another biennium if we have to, but the fact that Washington was driving the whole project for years and had money to go, and only recently the situation was reversed is really annoying.

For several reasons I'm not going to get into, you're going to be hard pressed to find an individual who knows more about that particular project, and has attended more of the !@#$%^ to be sufficiently damned endless public meetings than myself. There are a few, but not many.
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#18 May 25 2013 at 2:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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The whole Seattle bridge collapse got me thinking, Seattle is still part of the civilized world where people actually live. It must be nigh impossible to keep the roads, bridges and whatnot in half the midwest maintained with the vast empty lands there.
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someproteinguy wrote:
I have no idea, I'm assuming it makes it's way into the teeth through the body (which to me sounds way worse than actually having it in the water, but whatever...). The ADA says it's okay, so it must be right?

Right?!

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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fluoride+dangers

Protip: The type of fluoride that we consume (what we put in water and presumably the pills that are sold to you by your dentist) is a chemical byproduct, ie waste, masqueraded as naturally occurring fluoride, which could be good for your teeth, but the fact is that fluoride is actually bad for your teeth and if you're not careful, your daughter may have enamel problems as I did when I grew in my adult teeth.

Protip 2: Is it not a little incongruent to tell us that we can't swallow a pea sized amount of toothpaste that is what, .2% fluoride, however consuming copious amounts of water laced with the stuff is "safe"? Smiley: tinfoilhat indeed.

Protip 3: My teeth have never been whiter/healthier/cleaner than they are now that I started brushing with just baking soda and sea salt. And hey, no poison!!!

Please forgive me, I just can't believe they are having your daughter take fluoride pills. Please, read, learn, and understand what they are asking you to give her.
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someproteinguy wrote:
I have no idea, I'm assuming it makes it's way into the teeth through the body (which to me sounds way worse than actually having it in the water, but whatever...). The ADA says it's okay, so it must be right?

Right?!

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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fluoride+dangers

Protip: The type of fluoride that we consume (what we put in water and presumably the pills that are sold to you by your dentist) is a chemical byproduct, ie waste, masqueraded as naturally occurring fluoride, which could be good for your teeth, but the fact is that fluoride is actually bad for your teeth and if you're not careful, your daughter may have enamel problems as I did when I grew in my adult teeth.

Protip 2: Is it not a little incongruent to tell us that we can't swallow a pea sized amount of toothpaste that is what, .2% fluoride, however consuming copious amounts of water laced with the stuff is "safe"? Smiley: tinfoilhat indeed.

Protip 3: My teeth have never been whiter/healthier/cleaner than they are now that I started brushing with just baking soda and sea salt. And hey, no poison!!!

Please forgive me, I just can't believe they are having your daughter take fluoride pills. Please, read, learn, and understand what they are asking you to give her.


1. On the first page, there is literally only one site I'm willing to lend any credence at all to, and it's saying that Flouride is fine. Like anything, it comes down to dosage. Baking Soda in large doses is going to be fatal, and adverse reactions can occur in people susceptible to it even in lower doses.

2. There is nothing intrinsically better or worse about something being a "byproduct." At all. At the end of the day, a chemical byproduct is just a chemical. Like Sodium. Or the Oxygen we breathe. Or Water. And something being naturally occurring in no way relates to whether or not it will be good or bad for the body, or in what quantities it will be good or bad. And, protip, there is no such thing as an "unnaturally occuring" chemical. As in, all chemical compounds are created through chemical interactions. Salt is created through geologic processes. O2 is primarily created through organic processes. Carbon Monoxide (generally bad for humans), one of the most common molecules in the universe, and is created through solar processes. And even IT has medical uses.

3. Apparently the idea of dosage is lost on you. Let's say a pea-sized portion of toothpaste is .2% flouride, and is 10 grams, meaning .02 grams of flouride per portion. Your child could swallow 2 a day, making their rate of daily ingestion .04 grams. The wide range of flouride recommendations in public water is .6-1.2 mg/Liter. As in, .0006 grams per liter of water.

Let's assume that a child is actually drinking 1 liter of flouridated water a day. That's a ludicrously small amount of flouride. The lethal minimal dose of ******* in an adult is 70 mg (up to 200 mg, minimal).

And your liver exists for a reason.

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HA, I beat Joph.

Also, pea-size is only .25 grams. So it's not even that bad to begin with.

Edited, May 25th 2013 11:14am by idiggory
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If you can't trust FluorideDangers. com, FlourideAlert.com, cannotlinkto and NaturalNews, who can you trust? Certainly not those shadowy government agents, all part of the grand fluoride cartel.

"Chemical byproduct" is a scare term. Something is harmful or it isn't. The "naturalness" or "artificialness" of how it came into being doesn't determine whether it's harmful or not.

Toothpaste contains around 1200 ppm of fluoride. Tap water contains 4 ppm of fluoride. Treating toothpaste as food isn't a great idea even under the best of conditions; the base components would fit the label of "non-toxic but not edible". That includes baking soda.

Edit: Idiggory managed to type 20x more stuff in the same time it took me to type mine Smiley: laugh

Edited, May 25th 2013 10:15am by Jophiel
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LOL at Infowars.com being banned.
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The best part is that if you replace "flouride" with "dihydrogen monoxide" the search results look nearly the same.

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LOL at Infowars.com being banned.


the spamming of it a few years back got annoying.
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My mentioning it was almost just an inside joke between me and me. I read a Tweet from a journalist yesterday where he said he can guess which sensational Drudge links will lead to Infowars with about a 95% accuracy.
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Edit: Idiggory managed to type 20x more stuff in the same time it took me to type mine Smiley: laugh

Edited, May 25th 2013 10:15am by Jophiel

I'm guessing Idigg has a flouride cheat sheet taped on his monitor.
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