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#52 May 26 2013 at 8:52 AM Rating: Good
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Because I suggested that I brush my teeth with baking soda instead of fluoridated toothpaste, every effort in the world to discuss and discredit baking soda has been taken.


Literally no one has done this. I've said that baking soda has plenty of uses (which you then elaborated on). That includes tooth care. It's an extremely useful household product. I don't think it's god's gift to mankind though. I like having a decent amount in the house, because it's a solid go-to product if I run out of something specialized for a task.

Hydrogen peroxide is another example of an extremely versatile product, good for everything from tooth whitening to getting stains out of clothing (particularly good for blood stains).

But it is also true of both of those products that, if I use them in excess for internal purposes, I will get sick.

That is the point. Topical flouride in low doses is quite useful. Flouride in high doses is harmful.

But you shouldn't be any more in danger of ingesting a high dose of flouride than you would of ingesting a high dose of baking soda. To do so, you'd need to do something ridiculous - like eat an entire package of baking soda or toothepaste in one sitting.

But your argument that flourides are used in pesticides, therefore they're evil is actually @#%^ing stupid.

"Fluoride" just means that a chemical compound includes ionized flourine. As in, it possesses a basic @#%^ing element. It's no different than an oxide, or chloride.

Plenty of chlorides will kill you. Plenty won't. Sodium Chloride, table salt, is probably one of the most common spices used by mankind.

edit: also, protein was pretty clearly mocking people for freaking out about fluoridated water but being fine with the pills.

Edited, May 26th 2013 10:58am by idiggory
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#53 May 26 2013 at 8:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey guys, did you hear? They just found out a new use for ******** Turns out, if you use small amounts of it, that it stops your hair from falling out as much! What a wonderful benefit! We all need hair to keep our heads warm and to be big strong Sampsons. We should start lacing our water with it. There's no reason to assume that it might be impossible to monitor a person's daily intake of water, and therefore ******** to see if they hit critical levels! Everyone wants more hair so it's okay! Big Pharma and the government say it's okay so there's no way they might have an ulterior motive, right?

There's also no logical reason to consider that something that has been done in the name of medical science since the 1950s might show telling results 60 years later.

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Guenny's 10k title should be "False Equivalence"


So easy to be dismissive about things you haven't learned about. Read, you dopes. I can type 90 words per minute but when I'm mostly defending myself and baking soda it seems pointless, when all I've asked is that if you're interested in the information, then you can seek it out yourselves. If it's easier for you to just shoot the messenger and continue being ignorant that's fine. Thanks for the fun, I'm sure there are a few out there who maybe learned something.
#54 May 26 2013 at 8:59 AM Rating: Good
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So easy to be dismissive about things you haven't learned about. Read, you dopes.
It's hard to take someone as "learned" who said that they prefer to eat food that has no history of genetic engineering.
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#55 May 26 2013 at 9:02 AM Rating: Good
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******* is a heavy metal. It's just a basic element, and chemicals using it have plenty of potential to be useful. According to lolwiki, there's solid preliminary data to suggest that ******* Trioxide might be a highly beneficial treatment for leukemia, among other disorders.

See, everyone else here understands basic chemistry. You can continue to aggressively flaunt your ignorance by trying to treat basic facts about chem and logic as jokes, or you can learn something.

The former makes you look pathetic.
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#56 May 26 2013 at 9:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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Guenny wrote:
Hey guys, did you hear? They just found out a new use for ******** Turns out, if you use small amounts of it, that it stops your hair from falling out as much! What a wonderful benefit! We all need hair to keep our heads warm and to be big strong Sampsons. We should start lacing our water with it.

Sounds good.

I'm assuming that the risks are equivalent to the risks of water fluoridation and that the health issues with hair loss are the same as the health issues with dental caries. Who do I call to get on this?
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#57 May 26 2013 at 10:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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Fluoride isn't added to whiten teeth, as I'm sure you know.

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Do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk, ice cream? Ice cream, Mandrake? Children's ice cream!...You know when fluoridation began?...1946. 1946, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works. I first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love... Yes, a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I — I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence. I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women, er, women sense my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, Mandrake...but I do deny them my essence.
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#59 May 26 2013 at 11:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Fluoride isn't added to whiten teeth, as I'm sure you know.

I wouldn't place a wager on that. And I don't mean the "not for whitening" part.
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#60 May 26 2013 at 1:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Is this "the" thread where we get "to" use quotes "wrong"?
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#62 May 26 2013 at 2:38 PM Rating: Good
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Just ho"w wrong can we e"nd up usi"ng the q"uotes?
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#63 May 26 2013 at 2:50 PM Rating: Good
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Since the extremely obvious point that dosing matters is apparently lost on some people, here is an example. Warfarin is a very common and extremely helpful blood thinner (as in used to prevent blood clots). The dosage of warfarin is very small and is determined by routine blood testing. It is literally a life saving medication for those that need it. It is also a prime ingredient in rat poison due to the very same action that causes it to be such a helpful medication. Too high of a dose can cause internal hemorrhaging which leads to death.

As a super happy side note, warfarin was originally discovered when cattle were mysteriously dying of a severe disease of internal hemorrhaging. At the time sweet clover hay was a common feed stock for cattle. But when it gets too wet and begins to mold it produces coumarin, a potent blood thinner. All of this eventually led to the synthetic medication used today. So not only is this an example of correct dosing being key to how the body reacts to a substance, it also is an example of a naturally occurring substance being deadly, and science finding a way to synthesize said substance and use it to save lives.

In short, hooray for science.
#64 May 26 2013 at 8:10 PM Rating: Good
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Science is awesome. Smiley: grin

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#65 May 27 2013 at 4:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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So easy to be dismissive about things you haven't learned about. Read, you dopes. I can type 90 words per minute but when I'm mostly defending myself and baking soda it seems pointless, when all I've asked is that if you're interested in the information, then you can seek it out yourselves. If it's easier for you to just shoot the messenger and continue being ignorant that's fine. Thanks for the fun, I'm sure there are a few out there who maybe learned something.

I learned that a 2 inch deep moat won't stop a bear. Oh wait, that was YOUR lesson.

Also, by reading peer reviewed studies, I've learned that the aggregate risk to human health from dental carries is massive orders of magnitude greater than that of drinking fluoridated water. So if removing fluoride from drinking water supplies resulted in 1 child having one extra dental carry (which it would, incidentally, it greatly reduces them) it would be a negative outcome from a public health standpoint. I also learned, again through reading peer reviewed studies, that the demographic population most at risk for significant, and even rarely life threatening, dental issues is poor children. Unsurprisingly, they are also one of the groups most likely to consume tap water, and the least likely to engage in other topical fluoride dental application. This population, specifically, shows a very strong correlation between improved dental health and living in areas with fluoridated water supplies. I also looked into the toxicity of fluoride, and interestingly, the median lethal dose at that concentrations used in drinking water would require drinking about 400 times the median lethal dose of water. There is no evidence, let me repeat, no evidence...none, that there is a detrimental health effect of long term consuming of fluoridated water.

So, on balance, the result of your "read you dopes" request is this: Removing fluoride from water supplies results in the almost certain death of some non zero number of poor children, with no benefit.

Congratulations, maybe you can Jenny McCarthy can take your crystal children to the blessed well of tooth brushing and rub sea salt on their mouths while they flail around and scream. Then the oral sex, obviously.

Also, while we're here, many studies recently have showed a marked increase in iodine deficiencies because rock fuc[i][/iking stupid suckers buy "sea salt" instead of "table salt" because...I guess because they can afford to spend more money on salt. Or they could donate to the poor children they want to kill. Just kidding, we know that's not as important as feeling smarter than "the man" and avoiding being tricked by Dow Chemical into ingesting their garbage in your water.

Grow up, kid. Cynicism without logic is just as useless as blind faith.
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I really wish iodized kosher salt was available...

And yeah, I'd be shocked if Guenny was pro-vaccination.
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#67 May 27 2013 at 1:40 PM Rating: Good
Also, the water in Des Moines, Iowa is fluoridated. So there's that.
#68 May 27 2013 at 5:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
I really wish iodized kosher salt was available...


I don't know if it still meets the religious requirements, but aside from that, it is. At least kosher style if nothing else. Mortons makes some, I've seen it in various spice manufactuers as a package with an attached grinder. If you have any cost plus world markets or similar stores over in that neck of the woods, they probably have it there too.
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
I don't know if it still meets the religious requirements


I don't think kosher salt is called kosher because it is certified kosher.
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I don't know if it still meets the religious requirements


I don't think kosher salt is called kosher because it is certified kosher.


No, it's used in processing kosher foods.

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#71 May 27 2013 at 6:07 PM Rating: Good
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
I really wish iodized kosher salt was available...


I don't know if it still meets the religious requirements, but aside from that, it is. At least kosher style if nothing else. Mortons makes some, I've seen it in various spice manufactuers as a package with an attached grinder. If you have any cost plus world markets or similar stores over in that neck of the woods, they probably have it there too.


I'll have to keep an eye out for that. I've never noticed any, but I prefer using it for everything but baking.
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I don't know if it still meets the religious requirements


I don't think kosher salt is called kosher because it is certified kosher.


No, it's used in processing kosher foods.



I googled it after I posted. I knew kosher salt had the flat absorbent crystals as opposed to the cubes of table salt, but didn't know why it was called kosher. But table salt, even iodized, is apparently kosher in terms of religious stuff.
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#73 May 27 2013 at 6:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Now if we could just fluoridate it...
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Samira wrote:
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I don't know if it still meets the religious requirements


I don't think kosher salt is called kosher because it is certified kosher.


No, it's used in processing kosher foods.


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#75 May 27 2013 at 9:34 PM Rating: Good
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In America, kosher salted meat is typically Floridated.

#76 May 28 2013 at 6:45 AM Rating: Good
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How did a 911 call center thread turn to teeth?

As to the OP, some financial-planning type person should be able to make a determination at what point is the population density thick enough to make it more efficient to have a local call center versus supplementing emergency services with State or County resources.

My kids had fluoride rinse. One has good, easily maintained teeth, the other is constantly having 'issues'.

I had a tooth pulled last week. I'm currently growing more bone there to set a rod into that will eventually be the foundation for a new tooth. It's quite a process. It will likely be close to the end of the year before I have a tooth there again. Fortunately it's a back tooth. I'd hate to be mistaken for a Mainer.
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