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#152 Oct 25 2013 at 4:49 AM Rating: Good
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I'm pretty sure McDonalds is almost entirely franchised.
#153 Oct 25 2013 at 5:04 AM Rating: Decent
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So restaurants would be more efficient if they weren't run by people who knew nothing about running restaurants? You know what the problem is there? Restaurants are run by people who don't know how to run restaurants. Want to know soemthing else? sh*t would taste better if it wasn't sh*t.


Way to miss the point, which is everyone think "wages" as the sole profit killer, without looking at other spending. They don't accurately budget their money, because they don't know what they are doing. People aren't as picky as you think if the food is good. You can constantly have a good amount of customers and still fail. Logically speaking, that shouldn't ever happen, but if you fail at management, you can. In other words, simply paying more wages != loss of profit. There are several other ways to cut spending to allow paying more wages that wouldn't affect customer satisfaction.
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I'm pretty sure McDonalds is almost entirely franchised.

This. I've worked at a few McD's and I knew all the owners. Workers don't make $7 "because that's all McD can pay them", it's just what the market will pay teenagers for summer and after-school jobs.
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I'm pretty sure McDonalds is almost entirely franchised.

This. I've worked at a few McD's and I knew all the owners. Workers don't make $7 "because that's all McD can pay them", it's just what the market will pay teenagers for summer and after-school jobs.


I wish I got paid $7. I got paid $5.15 even though she knew the minimum wage was going up within a month or two. Other Mc D workers at other stores (along with other fast food) got paid $6-$8. Goes all back to management.
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This. I've worked at a few McD's and I knew all the owners. Workers don't make $7 "because that's all McD can pay them", it's just what the market will pay teenagers for summer and after-school jobs.

This. During the tech boom years in the late 1990s, when unemployment was 4% or whatever, fast food places were hiring for $10-$12 an hour because the labor market was so depleted. Now I suppose more people eat Burger King when they have money than when everyone is poor but (A) I doubt fast food restaurant sale went up 100% from when they were paying minimum wage and (B) When people have ample money, they can participate in the privilege of not buying fast food because they don't need to eat $1.25 burgers to survive and can take some of that cash to a real restaurant.

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#157 Oct 25 2013 at 7:06 AM Rating: Good
Yeah back when minimum wage was still $5.25/hour, I saw a sign outside a local McDs that said their positions started at $7/hour. I don't know if they've gone past minimum wage since then.

I like Restaurant Impossible. He doesn't pull any punches. (Mystery Diners and that other one with the surveillance team, forgot its name, is usually more about employee theft or incompetence.) He also usually gives the restaurant a much needed face lift in addition to the menu makeover. He even made one place change their name. (It was "Edibles." Not very encouraging.)

There's one such "5th iteration of a restaurant" around here call Cali 'n Tito's. It was a Pizza Hut long ago. Then it became an ice cream joint. Then it was Achim's K-Bob, which still exists around here although it's now called Keba. The place was shuttered for a long time til the current guys came in. Now it's... kind of a local tropical island. They planted palm trees and dragged in beach sand and most of the dining is outdoors on cheap picnic tables, with a BYOB policy and cash only. Self-bus and cleanup. Best pan-Latin cuisine in town. The line always stretches around the building. It's the closest restaurant to the south part of the uni campus, and in walking distance from the baseball field.

They don't charge any more for their food comparatively, but they've got their overhead shrunk down so much that they probably make a lot more than a similar priced restaurant in better digs.

We have a lot of regional franchises headquartered around here. My office is across the hall from Zaxby's corporate headquarters.

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#158 Oct 25 2013 at 7:16 AM Rating: Good
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McD's employees make 7 an hour because thats all McD's can afford to pay them
I need some additional info to know if this should be alarming. Does McDonald's own all of its stores or do they franchise them out?

If they franchise most of them out, then you're making the wrong comparison. Then it should be $7 vs profits of the individual store.


Yes and No. (approx 75% of McD's 33K worldwide locations are franchised)

But McD's still controls the valve on money remaining at individual stores profit lines. Presently it costs 12.5% of profits to franchise a McD's. the Corporation could drop that to 1% of profits, leaving 11.5% to be redistributed among employees at each location. While this is still based on profits of the individual store McD's corporation can directly influence employee pay based on the draw figure they take from each franchise.

This would not change the bottom line for the owner/operator of the franchise, and give his employees more money per hour. If McD's wanted to they could divide their overall year profits across all their locations to the tune of about 269K to be redistributed as increased pay. For a small location such as the one in my Town that is about 20K more/year per person.

Or McD's could simply issue profit sharing among all of its employees franchised or not, and allow them to reap some of the rewards that the entire company has made.






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#159 Oct 25 2013 at 7:53 AM Rating: Good
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Way to miss the point, which is everyone think "wages" as the sole profit killer, without looking at other spending.
Who's everyone? It's not the sole, it's just the biggest.
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But McD's still controls the valve on money remaining at individual stores profit lines. Presently it costs 12.5% of profits to franchise a McD's. the Corporation could drop that to 1% of profits, leaving 11.5% to be redistributed among employees at each location. While this is still based on profits of the individual store McD's corporation can directly influence employee pay based on the draw figure they take from each franchise.

This would not change the bottom line for the owner/operator of the franchise, and give his employees more money per hour. If McD's wanted to they could divide their overall year profits across all their locations to the tune of about 269K to be redistributed as increased pay. For a small location such as the one in my Town that is about 20K more/year per person.

Or McD's could simply issue profit sharing among all of its employees franchised or not, and allow them to reap some of the rewards that the entire company has made.
McDonald's pull from the bottom line and not the top like every other franchiser? Interesting.



Anyway, I think you've been drinking some of gbaji's cool-aid here if you think McDonald's dropping franchise fees would result in the individual store owners passing that savings onto the employees.
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#161 Oct 25 2013 at 8:41 AM Rating: Good
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rdmcandie wrote:
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McD's employees make 7 an hour because thats all McD's can afford to pay them
I need some additional info to know if this should be alarming. Does McDonald's own all of its stores or do they franchise them out?

If they franchise most of them out, then you're making the wrong comparison. Then it should be $7 vs profits of the individual store.


Yes and No. (approx 75% of McD's 33K worldwide locations are franchised)

But McD's still controls the valve on money remaining at individual stores profit lines. Presently it costs 12.5% of profits to franchise a McD's. the Corporation could drop that to 1% of profits, leaving 11.5% to be redistributed among employees at each location. While this is still based on profits of the individual store McD's corporation can directly influence employee pay based on the draw figure they take from each franchise.

This would not change the bottom line for the owner/operator of the franchise, and give his employees more money per hour. If McD's wanted to they could divide their overall year profits across all their locations to the tune of about 269K to be redistributed as increased pay. For a small location such as the one in my Town that is about 20K more/year per person.

Or McD's could simply issue profit sharing among all of its employees franchised or not, and allow them to reap some of the rewards that the entire company has made.
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The @#%^? Why would McD drop its incoming cash by 1200%

How high are you right now?


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We pay McDonalds people $9/hr min, I can walk out with 1200 calories of food for $3, and they're still in business. Why the rest of you haven't pegged your minimum wage to inflation yet is beyond me.

Really it's McDonalds, they're like cockroaches or something. All the other fast food chains go under and they're still scurrying across the globe like nothing happened. Smiley: rolleyes
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#163 Oct 25 2013 at 9:31 AM Rating: Good
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Really it's McDonalds, they're like cockroaches or something. All the other fast food chains go under and they're still scurrying across the globe like nothing happened. Smiley: rolleyes
Until the Franchise Wars turn everything into Taco Bell.
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someproteinguy wrote:
Really it's McDonalds, they're like cockroaches or something. All the other fast food chains go under and they're still scurrying across the globe like nothing happened. Smiley: rolleyes
Until the Franchise Wars turn everything into Taco Bell.
I'm betting Jack in the box pulls an upset on them early on. Jack has some pretty terrible tacos too, and sells them a bit cheaper as well.
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
Really it's McDonalds, they're like cockroaches or something. All the other fast food chains go under and they're still scurrying across the globe like nothing happened. Smiley: rolleyes
Until the Franchise Wars turn everything into Taco Bell.

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#166 Oct 25 2013 at 10:23 AM Rating: Good
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But McD's still controls the valve on money remaining at individual stores profit lines. Presently it costs 12.5% of profits to franchise a McD's. the Corporation could drop that to 1% of profits, leaving 11.5% to be redistributed among employees at each location. While this is still based on profits of the individual store McD's corporation can directly influence employee pay based on the draw figure they take from each franchise.

This would not change the bottom line for the owner/operator of the franchise, and give his employees more money per hour. If McD's wanted to they could divide their overall year profits across all their locations to the tune of about 269K to be redistributed as increased pay. For a small location such as the one in my Town that is about 20K more/year per person.

Or McD's could simply issue profit sharing among all of its employees franchised or not, and allow them to reap some of the rewards that the entire company has made.
McDonald's pull from the bottom line and not the top like every other franchiser? Interesting.



Anyway, I think you've been drinking some of gbaji's cool-aid here if you think McDonald's dropping franchise fees would result in the individual store owners passing that savings onto the employees.



You're right it wouldn't likely mean that, chances are individual franchise owners would simply keep the net gains for themselves, which isn't any different than the Corporation tapping the money and keeping it on ledgers to appease stock holders. But if enough people in a respective nation decided they didn't think it was right that McD's and hundreds of other corporations were sitting on collective profits larger than US GDP and created law dictating profit sharing as mandatory, then there wouldn't be a choice.

Unfortunately McD's and other Corporations have a little bit more capital on their side to keep things like that from happening. Heck the Corporations have more money in after tax profits than the GDP of the USA, and a large % of the population thinks any discussion of income/wealth equality is gateway to communism, where evil boogeymen come and steal kids and make them work in jobs they might not want to do.

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#167 Oct 25 2013 at 11:20 AM Rating: Good
I'm not an economist, but.... aren't the profits of the corporations more or less directly tied into the Gross Domestic Product? E.g. the GDP is the entire economic output of the private and public sectors.

If you mean that the profits of all companies in the world are more than the entire GDP of the United States, well, yes. That makes sense. But if you mean that the profits of the US based firms are more than all the money those US firms make, then it doesn't make any sense at all.
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If you mean that the profits of all companies in the world are more than the entire GDP of the United States, well, yes. That makes sense.
That what I thought he was trying to say, and it kinda sorta made sense.

Really I just assumed he was trying to make some kind of Robin Hoodish point and the rest were just a jumble of tangentially related cherry-picked details. Smiley: rolleyes


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I'm not an economist, but.... aren't the profits of the corporations more or less directly tied into the Gross Domestic Product? E.g. the GDP is the entire economic output of the private and public sectors.

If you mean that the profits of all companies in the world are more than the entire GDP of the United States, well, yes. That makes sense. But if you mean that the profits of the US based firms are more than all the money those US firms make, then it doesn't make any sense at all.


Kinda yes and kinda no. GDP only accounts for income that is retained within the nation, or essentially the Value of the Corporation of the US. Many US based corporations earn income outside the borders, but the income is applied to the Corporation at home. The corporations are required to pay tax on this as it is considered standard income, but it does not account to the US GDP (it actually hurts it in some areas because imports on auto parts for example count against US Exports taking away potential trade surplus.).

Um to maybe make it more clear.

Franchise McDs in Canada sends 12.5% of Profits to Corporate > Corporate pays taxes on this and keeps the money.

Since the Money comes from Canada, it is applied instead to the Canadian GDP, and not the US GDP. Hence why the Total Corporate profits can out scale GDP.

(still don't know if that made any sense.)

Also to be clear I am talking about Growth not Final dollar. Corporations Profits only represent like 12% of US GDP currently. (and those who invest in Corporations only make up like 8% but that is 20% or 1/5th of your GDP just tied up in money to Corporations.) With Government Spending accounting for 19.5% and followed by Trade at about 9%, and about 50% is based on personal incomes/expenditures of the population of the US.

The problem is the Gap between Corporations Profits, and the Personal %'s Since the 80s Personal Consumption has declined from about 70% of GDP to 50% today, with Corporations rising nearly 2:1 with the remainder of the fraction now dependent on government (hence its rise from about 12% in the 80 to 19.5% today)

Essentially people have less money to buy stuff, so they only pay what they need to pay, government tries to provide assistance to boost leisure money that is used to help stimulate corporate production to hopefully entice more jobs, but that hasn't worked, government cuts taxes (lowering its revenue) to help create jobs that hasn't worked. US companies move out of country to create cheap product and resell it the US, this cost people more money...and the cycle of degeneration repeats.

If Corporations brought their profit ratios down to 1:1 with the people they employ, Government could back out of spending, and then reduce taxation on the people as the money allows. More people with more money buy more stuff, this pushes more profits up, and allows more people to become employed.

Or that is how it should work, ideally Governments involvement in private money would drop, and the true spirit of capitalism would take effect. But unlike true communism we can not have it because there are always men of greed power and corruption, unfortunately Capitalism is ripe target for Greed and Corruptiuon, because with money you buy power. 2008 Was all about Greed, rich people wanting to become even richer gambling with the money of their 300 million serfs. Today it is still about Greed, and is why poor people are poor and more are becoming poor each day.









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Yeah back when minimum wage was still $5.25/hour, I saw a sign outside a local McDs that said their positions started at $7/hour. I don't know if they've gone past minimum wage since then.

I like Restaurant Impossible. He doesn't pull any punches. (Mystery Diners and that other one with the surveillance team, forgot its name, is usually more about employee theft or incompetence.) He also usually gives the restaurant a much needed face lift in addition to the menu makeover. He even made one place change their name. (It was "Edibles." Not very encouraging.)

There's one such "5th iteration of a restaurant" around here call Cali 'n Tito's. It was a Pizza Hut long ago. Then it became an ice cream joint. Then it was Achim's K-Bob, which still exists around here although it's now called Keba. The place was shuttered for a long time til the current guys came in. Now it's... kind of a local tropical island. They planted palm trees and dragged in beach sand and most of the dining is outdoors on cheap picnic tables, with a BYOB policy and cash only. Self-bus and cleanup. Best pan-Latin cuisine in town. The line always stretches around the building. It's the closest restaurant to the south part of the uni campus, and in walking distance from the baseball field.

They don't charge any more for their food comparatively, but they've got their overhead shrunk down so much that they probably make a lot more than a similar priced restaurant in better digs.

We have a lot of regional franchises headquartered around here. My office is across the hall from Zaxby's corporate headquarters.

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Around here people are to scared of liability or don't want to deal with the headache of going to the 7 stooges to try to open up a BYOB place and would rather just get a beer and wine license. Then dealing with the other restaurants complainants. They also have a damn good location but with 5 places going though it goes to show location only goes so far. They have everything to make a that low over head model work, a great location good food and they have a novelty in the BYOB policy and probably a ATM is on the main way from campus to support the cash only.

#172 Oct 25 2013 at 1:39 PM Rating: Good
Yeah there's an ATM in the gas station next door.

The BYOB policy is this: Bring whatever you want. $2 gets you an ID check, a bucket of ice, and a wrist brand. No wrist band, no drinky and they will eject you/call the cops on you if they suspect you're underage.

What we end up doing is building a custom six pack of gourmet beers from the package shop (for $10 or so) and working our way through it over the course of a few hours. Even with the $2/person overhead, it's cheaper than going to a beer pub.
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But if you're bringing your own booze, why not just stay at home and make a beer tasting/bottle share out of it? And half the reason for going to a beer pub is to drink beers you can't just get in stores, at least for me.
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Go to better stores?

Unless you are looking for something incredibly exotic (and even then) you should be able to find what you are looking for in a store. I mean, here at least. I'm not sure what the situation is over there.
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#175 Oct 25 2013 at 2:13 PM Rating: Decent
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But if you're bringing your own booze, why not just stay at home and make a beer tasting/bottle share out of it? And half the reason for going to a beer pub is to drink beers you can't just get in stores, at least for me.


I'd say 90% of the reason for going to pub is to meet new people and talk with acquaintances you may not necessarily know well enough to invite to your home. If I'm drinking with friends, usually they have friends that want to drink too, and I don't necessarily want to host several people in my home just to have a drink with some friends.

Then again, I've always been more of a social drinker. I never keep beer or liquor at the house, because I never drink alone. If I know someone's coming over for a bit, I'll buy beer for the occasion only.
#176 Oct 25 2013 at 2:18 PM Rating: Good
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
But if you're bringing your own booze, why not just stay at home and make a beer tasting/bottle share out of it? And half the reason for going to a beer pub is to drink beers you can't just get in stores, at least for me.


Because I can't cook the best damn epanada on the planet like Cali 'n Tito's can. Smiley: laugh

We do also go to the local beer pubs with disturbing frequency, especially when they're having a "tap takeover" from one of the better craft brewers in the country or some other special event. It was through the pub Aroma's that I was introduced to the deliciousness that is Cigar City, and Aroma's gets a lot of their small barrel batches for events.
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