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#1 Nov 08 2013 at 8:32 PM Rating: Default
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I am not baiting you. He really did say he is sorry.

To be honest, I was a little confused when I watched the media triumphantly play the clip. The few progressive radio shows that I listen to from time to time ( Norman Goldman, Ed Schultz, whatshername that does sexy liberals ) were already out in full force defending the President. More than that, they were making a reasonable arguments supporting their opinions. Unless I missed something, other than the usual professional Obama haters, there was little outcry.

So what exactly changed? Did our president suddenly became so in tune with the public opinion that he could not handle the newly forged Obama meme?
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#2 Nov 08 2013 at 8:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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This is Big O you ******** and he apologizes to NO ONE.
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We don't need another thread about Oprah.
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We don't need another thread about Oprah.


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#5 Nov 08 2013 at 10:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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When I hear "The Big O", I think of him. Damn whippersnappers.
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Damn, I see I should have said:

"The Biggest O"
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#7 Nov 11 2013 at 7:21 PM Rating: Default
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I guess for me this line kinda sums up the out of touch nature of the modern political left:

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Obama dismissed those accusations, insisting the White House was operating in "good faith." He acknowledged that the administration "didn't do a good enough job in terms of how we crafted the law" but did not specify what changes the administration might make.


Huh? So the law was poorly crafted you say? If only there was a whole political party that said this from day one maybe we could have listened to them and avoided all this mess? Oh wait! Those guys were all just racist Obama haters who wanted granny to die if she got sick! Lol...
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Yeah, if only someone was. One side ignored the obvious shortcomings in the bill and the other was too busy screaming about abortions and death panels for anyone to take them seriously.
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Yeah, if only someone was. One side ignored the obvious shortcomings in the bill and the other was too busy screaming about abortions and death panels for anyone to take them seriously.


*cough*

The first side sure did a great job making people think that's why the second opposed it. So grats on them, I guess. I suppose if you lie, you should lie big.
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Well look on the bright side, you have a marvelous opportunity to re-engage the American people with a more moderate solution.
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someproteinguy wrote:
Well look on the bright side, you have a marvelous opportunity to re-engage the American people with a more moderate solution.

Oh, you sure know how to tell the best jokes.
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So the law was poorly crafted you say? If only there was a whole political party that said this from day one

Too bad they made no attempt to be engaged in crafting the law and decided it was more important to say "This is the president's Waterloo!" and stake their credibility on obstruction rather than creating the best possible legislation.
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Huh? So the law was poorly crafted you say? If only there was a whole political party that said this from day one maybe we could have listened to them and avoided all this mess? Oh wait! Those guys actively sabotaged the law and it's implementation.

I know, right? Amazing that a law could fail with an entire political party dedicated to making it function as poorly as possible. Odd to see you admit it so brazenly, though.

Let me list the amount of fucks anyone will give in 1 year about these issues:

Healthcare.gov rollout issues fucks given: 0 fucks
"You can keep your old policy fucks given: 0 fucks

In total, no fucks will be given about these issues. The tax penalty side might get some traction in states no one really cares about. Good luck with that. Thanks in advance for returning the House to DEM control, incidentally. I'd have said it couldn't be done given the insane gerrymandering that took place, but no, no, you idiots found a way.
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To some people it really is news that something actively sabotaged ends up not working.
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gbaji wrote:
So the law was poorly crafted you say? If only there was a whole political party that said this from day one

Too bad they made no attempt to be engaged in crafting the law and decided it was more important to say "This is the president's Waterloo!" and stake their credibility on obstruction rather than creating the best possible legislation.


What? Like arguing that mandating coverage levels and forcing people to buy the result will result in higher costs and not lower and proposing that instead of doing those things we do things like remove restrictions on cross state insurance and placing limits on malpractice lawsuits? You make it sound like the GOP never proposed any alternative reform here Joph. That's simply not true.
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To some people it really is news that something actively sabotaged ends up not working.


Um... it wasn't sabotaged. This is the law the Dems passed. It's the same law that Obama has insisted would work well for 3 years now after it was passed. If the GOP sabotaged it somehow, then why did the Dems continue to praise it all this time? It's not like any sabotage that happened just occurred in the last 6 months.
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gbaji wrote:
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To some people it really is news that something actively sabotaged ends up not working.


Um... it wasn't sabotaged. This is the law the Dems passed. It's the same law that Obama has insisted would work well for 3 years now after it was passed. If the GOP sabotaged it somehow, then why did the Dems continue to praise it all this time? It's not like any sabotage that happened just occurred in the last 6 months.
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someproteinguy wrote:
gbaji wrote:
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To some people it really is news that something actively sabotaged ends up not working.


Um... it wasn't sabotaged. This is the law the Dems passed. It's the same law that Obama has insisted would work well for 3 years now after it was passed. If the GOP sabotaged it somehow, then why did the Dems continue to praise it all this time? It's not like any sabotage that happened just occurred in the last 6 months.
Guy in charge of making sure the different parts of the federal website talked to each other was probably a Republican; I'll get my rope and pitchfork.


Um... It's the federal website(s). It's run by the executive branch of the government. Which party has controlled that branch of the government for the entire time period since the law was passed? Oh wait! That would be the Democrats.

The only sabotage you could level at the GOP was when Scott Brown won a senate seat and took away the Dems super majority in congress (and thus the ability to write and pass whatever they wanted). Given that this is the same criteria that every other administration for the last hundred years or so has had to deal with, crying about it and calling it sabotage is childish at best.

And even if you still think it's somehow unfair for the Dems to not have a super majority in congress, they still passed the law anyway and then praised it for the next 3 years. Which gets us right back to "why'd you lie about it for all this time if you knew it was really broken?".
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Um... that was a joke.

I mean, I realize I'm not an professional comedian or anything, and it's definitely not my best material, but I thought that one was pretty obvious.

Well, live and learn I guess. Smiley: rolleyes
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someproteinguy wrote:
Um... that was a joke.

I mean, I realize I'm not an professional comedian or anything, and it's definitely not my best material, but I thought that one was pretty obvious.


It would be a lot more funny if there weren't people (in this thread even!) insisting that the problems with Obama care are because of GOP sabotage.
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gbaji wrote:
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Um... that was a joke.

I mean, I realize I'm not an professional comedian or anything, and it's definitely not my best material, but I thought that one was pretty obvious.


It would be a lot more funny if there weren't people (in this thread even!) insisting that the problems with Obama care are because of GOP sabotage.
Sometimes it helps to laugh about things. Smiley: smile

From where I'm sitting the Republicans have been largely ineffective and getting changes made to the bill. Case in point, we just had government shutdown, and they got hardly a thing out of it. If that isn't a failure I don't know what is. The closest thing that comes to mind is the gap that exists in some states that didn't like the medicaid changes, but one could easily argue they were strong-armed into approving changes they didn't like in the first place.

It's pretty much what you said, what we have now is basically what was passed a couple years back.

Edited, Nov 12th 2013 2:28pm by someproteinguy
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#23gbaji, Posted: Nov 12 2013 at 4:36 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) That's a great argument for people to vote Republican. I mean, you're not saying Republicans are wrong, but that they don't have the political power to do the right thing. Simple solution to that one, isn't there?
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gbaji wrote:
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Um... that was a joke.

I mean, I realize I'm not an professional comedian or anything, and it's definitely not my best material, but I thought that one was pretty obvious.


It would be a lot more funny if there weren't people (in this thread even!) insisting that the problems with Obama care are because of GOP sabotage.
Sometimes it helps to laugh about things. Smiley: smile

From where I'm sitting the Republicans have been largely ineffective and getting changes made to the bill.


That's a great argument for people to vote Republican. I mean, you're not saying Republicans are wrong, but that they don't have the political power to do the right thing. Simple solution to that one, isn't there?
Hence the snippy comment in post #10. If this bill is a bad as they've been saying, they'll win in a landslide.

But for me? Nah, not happening. I can't stomach the social conservative side of the party. I'll probably just go Libertarian again. Smiley: lol
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gbaji wrote:
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Um... that was a joke.

I mean, I realize I'm not an professional comedian or anything, and it's definitely not my best material, but I thought that one was pretty obvious.


It would be a lot more funny if there weren't people (in this thread even!) insisting that the problems with Obama care are because of GOP sabotage.
Sometimes it helps to laugh about things. Smiley: smile

From where I'm sitting the Republicans have been largely ineffective and getting changes made to the bill.


That's a great argument for people to vote Republican. I mean, you're not saying Republicans are wrong, but that they don't have the political power to do the right thing. Simple solution to that one, isn't there?

Well, when they want to do the right thing, I'm sure the voters will come flocking.
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It's tough for Republicans though since the Left has much better PR, much better media support, and (largely because of the hesitancy of the latter to challenge or investigate their claims) a much greater willingness to lie overtly in order to win over people to vote for them. The issue in this thread is a direct example of this. It's not like Obama repeatedly made that "if you like your insurance you can keep it" claim just out of the blue. He was directly responding to claims by conservatives that the law would require many people to lose their current insurance. So you had two political sides saying diametrically opposed things, for which there was one objectively correct answer actually written into the law itself.

Why didn't the media make any effort to investigate and correct Obama's false claims back when he first started making them? I mean, it's not like this was hidden in the law or anything. And it's not as though the media isn't perfectly willing to correct a politician they think is saying something wrong when it's a republican (even when they're moderating a presidential debate!). But in this case, they remained silent. And that media silence is what allowed Obama to get away with this lie for all this time.

So yeah. Republicans have an unfair uphill battle when it comes to public perception of the truth of things.

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