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#1 Nov 12 2013 at 10:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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EPA just recently put out for public comment their Adaptation Implementation Plans (there are 17). My agency tags along with EPA.

We've been told not to use the phrase 'climate change'. I knew why but had to ask anyways. The answer i got was just as fruity as the suggestion that we talk about adaptation and resiliency versus change and climate and heaven forbid don't remind anyone that it's largely anthropogenic. Talk about disingenuous bullcarp.
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#2 Nov 12 2013 at 11:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
We've been told not to use the phrase 'climate change'.
You need to have a discussion with the Office of water then. The title page for their .pdf reads "Climate Change Adaptation Implementation Plan." I'm thinking someone didn't get the memo.

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Seriously though, if not calling it "climate change" is enough to get people taking common sense steps to prepare for the inevitable warming I'm all for it.

Edited, Nov 12th 2013 9:12am by someproteinguy
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#3 Nov 12 2013 at 11:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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someproteinguy wrote:

Seriously though, if not calling it "climate change" is enough to get people taking common sense steps to prepare for the inevitable warming I'm all for it.

This was basically the answer I got from our public relations gal.

We, more so than EPA are working under a conservative administration so needed extra guidance on speaking about...you know....

I'm going to use 'Voldemort' in place of Climate Change.
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#4 Nov 12 2013 at 11:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Arrested thermal energy oscillation.
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#5 Nov 12 2013 at 11:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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Just for fun. Linky, linky.

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Our statistical analysis suggests that the reduction in the emissions of ozone-depleting substances under the Montreal Protocol, as well as a reduction in methane emissions, contributed to the lower rate of warming since the 1990s. Furthermore, we identify a contribution from the two world wars and the Great Depression to the documented cooling in the mid-twentieth century, through lower carbon dioxide emissions. We conclude that reductions in greenhouse gas emissions are effective in slowing the rate of warming in the short term.
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#6 Nov 12 2013 at 12:10 PM Rating: Good
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someproteinguy wrote:

Seriously though, if not calling it "climate change" is enough to get people taking common sense steps to prepare for the inevitable warming I'm all for it.

This was basically the answer I got from our public relations gal.

We, more so than EPA are working under a conservative administration so needed extra guidance on speaking about...you know....

I'm going to use 'Voldemort' in place of Climate Change.


Climate Change, aka You-know-what, aka That Which We Shall Not Name.

First "global warming" was the bogeyman, and climate change came along as a more accurate description that wasn't supposed to be as scary.

How about "minor planetary weather cycle alterations" ?
#7 Nov 12 2013 at 12:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Planetary menopause marked by hot flashes, volatile weather events and general irritability.
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#8 Nov 12 2013 at 2:29 PM Rating: Good
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Planetary menopause marked by hot flashes, volatile weather events and general irritability.


Love it! Gaia just is pre menopausal at this time from what I've seen.
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#9 Nov 12 2013 at 3:57 PM Rating: Default
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I'm thinking that maybe if you have to keep changing the name of what you're doing in order to get people to go along, maybe the problem isn't really with the name?
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#10 Nov 12 2013 at 4:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm thinking that maybe if you have to keep changing the name of what you're doing in order to get people to go along, maybe the problem isn't really with the name?


True. Some people are just idiots.
#11 Nov 12 2013 at 9:07 PM Rating: Good
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Call it whatever you want. Two mild winters and a relatively extreme fall is annoying as hell.
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#12 Nov 13 2013 at 7:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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Call it whatever you want. Two mild winters and a relatively extreme fall is annoying as hell.

Mooses are dying you fool!

gbaji, global temperatures have trended up. It's linguistically correct to call it climate change, it's more specific and still correct to call it global warming.
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#13 Nov 13 2013 at 10:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Mooses are dying you fool!
Anything to kill the foul beasts! Smiley: motz
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#14 Nov 13 2013 at 12:02 PM Rating: Good
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You have moose in Oregon?
#15 Nov 13 2013 at 12:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thank goodness no. Those car crushing satanic spawn have only infested our less fortunate northern neighbors for the most part.
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#16 Nov 13 2013 at 2:01 PM Rating: Good
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You just gets hipsters on bicycles.
#17 Nov 13 2013 at 4:20 PM Rating: Default
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Elinda wrote:
gbaji, global temperatures have trended up.


Only if you keep increasing the length of the trend period. Temperatures have been trending downward for the last 10 years. If you've been paying attention to the language, in the early 2000s it was "the last 5 years are the hottest on record", then by the late 2000s, it was "the last 10 years are the hottest on record", and in the last couple years it's changed to "the last decade (meaning 2000 to 2010) was the hottest on record". What this should indicate is that global temperatures peaked sometime in the early 2000s. Which is exactly what happened.

I'll also point out that this is more or less exactly what some of us global warming skeptics predicted and directly contradicts the temperature predictions generated by applying global warming models. But let's not let the whole "test your hypothesis" part of science get in the way.

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It's linguistically correct to call it climate change, it's more specific and still correct to call it global warming.


It's linguistically misleading to call it "climate change" because the definition of "climate change" varies based on which organization you're interacting with. Calling it global warming is incorrect because even those who originally supported "global warming" have realized that the globe isn't actually warming anymore. That's why they changed the label.

Edited, Nov 13th 2013 2:20pm by gbaji
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gbaji wrote:
If you've been paying attention to the language, in the early 2000s it was "the last 5 years are the hottest on record", then by the late 2000s, it was "the last 10 years are the hottest on record", and in the last couple years it's changed to "the last decade (meaning 2000 to 2010) was the hottest on record".

Do you just guess at this stuff or is there a news source you really need to stop reading?
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#19 Nov 13 2013 at 5:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think he meant it was cold in California this morning.
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#20 Nov 13 2013 at 6:01 PM Rating: Good
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Australia just had the hottest July-September-October on record. Followed by the coldest opening week of November on record. That's pretty decent going for an entire continent. Even if it is a small continent Smiley: tongue
#21 Nov 13 2013 at 6:04 PM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
If you've been paying attention to the language, in the early 2000s it was "the last 5 years are the hottest on record", then by the late 2000s, it was "the last 10 years are the hottest on record", and in the last couple years it's changed to "the last decade (meaning 2000 to 2010) was the hottest on record".

Do you just guess at this stuff or is there a news source you really need to stop reading?


Um... I actually read things instead of skim them for alarming sounding phrases and words. Neither of those links support the claim that global temperatures have been trending upwards over the last 10 years. Try actually reading instead of assuming.
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#22 Nov 13 2013 at 6:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Are you just making up new arguments as you go? I was referring to your asinine insinuation that people have changed to talking about the "last decade" to avoid speaking about the last several years.

Anyway, this seems fitting:

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#23 Nov 13 2013 at 6:30 PM Rating: Default
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Lol! Talk about cherry picking data!

That chart is missing the 3-4 decades prior to the 70s when global temperatures were steadily decreasing. Couple that with the clear decrease in global temperatures in the last 10 years, and you see a pattern of temperatures increasing for ~3 decades, then leveling out, then decreasing for ~3 decades, leveling out, then repeating the cycle. What's so funny about this is that GW skeptics pointed this out all along and predicted that temperatures would level out and begin to decline between 2000 and 2010. And that's exactly what has happened. Meanwhile, every single GW projection assumed that temperatures would continue to increase incrementally over that same time period. One of those sides was right, and the other was wrong.

You have to ignore a whole bunch of data to think that the warming trend we saw from 1970 to 2000 will just continued "forever" until the whole earth is a roiling ball of super heated gas or something. That and you have to be a complete idiot.
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#25 Nov 13 2013 at 6:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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Over here most major newspapers won't publish letters to the editor that question that Anthropomorphic climate change is happening any more, because they consider that the science has overwhelmingly answered that question. Climate change deniers are considered in the same bucket as Flat Earthers. What they do publish is letters about HOW to address climate change, or whether it needs to be addressed.
#26 Nov 13 2013 at 7:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Personally I frown at data that doesn't at least go back to the last inter-glacial warm period.
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