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#1 Dec 16 2013 at 5:20 PM Rating: Excellent
I'm still somewhat upset about the entire debacle with surveillance. Seems some judges are too ..

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Judge Richard Leon declared that the mass collection of metadata probably violates the fourth amendment, which prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures, and was "almost Orwellian" in its scope


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Leon said that the mass collection of phone metadata, revealed by the Guardian in June, was "indiscriminatory" and "arbitrary" in its scope. "The almost-Orwellian technology that enables the government to store and analyze the phone metadata of every telephone user in the United States is unlike anything that could have been conceived in 1979," he wrote, referring to the year in which the US supreme court ruled on a fourth amendment case on which the NSA now relies to justify the bulk records program.


Looking from the outside in from across the pond, I like this news. How do you feel?
#2 Dec 16 2013 at 5:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sounds about right, nothing surprising there.

My biggest lingering question will be do these cases force a change in policy, or will they just do a better job of covering it all up next time.
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#3 Dec 16 2013 at 5:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sounds about right, nothing surprising there.

My biggest lingering question will be do these cases force a change in policy, or will they just do a better job of covering it all up next time.


Most likely a mix of both.
#4 Dec 16 2013 at 5:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ahh, wouldn't that be great? A rare moment of compromise in a partisan climate. Smiley: lol

Edited, Dec 16th 2013 3:30pm by someproteinguy
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#5 Dec 16 2013 at 5:41 PM Rating: Decent
When asked about granting Snowden amnesty, an official in charge of dealing with the backlash caused by Snowed said:

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“My personal view is, yes, it’s worth having a conversation about. I would need assurances that the remainder of the data could be secured,” he said. “And my bar for those assurances would be very high. It would be more than just an assertion on his part.”


I'm really curious what else remains to be revealed. If what we've seen already is only a portion of the iceberg, I don't see this going away any time soon.Personally, I'm about done with this craphole of a country. I really just haven't found a better place to move yet.
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I assume most of what's yet to be revealed is like much of what's already been revealed -- stuff that has little to nothing to do with US citizens.
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Personally, I'm about done with this craphole of a country. I really just haven't found a better place to move yet.
You're not looking very hard then.
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#8 Dec 16 2013 at 6:29 PM Rating: Decent
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I think i recall seeing something about there being over a million documents. Considering the widespread connectivity he seems to have I imagine there could be some skeletons buried in his bag of tricks. He at least has Five Eyes level of information, and he has a map of the sources.

I wager there are a few documents pertaining to things we don't want Russia or China to know about. Especially considering the stuff pertains to economic and political espionage on other nations, and no longer about civil rights for the most part.


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Russia and China had ALL those documents months ago, I assure you.

You don't think they let him hang out in their nations because of their strong belief in US citizen privacy rights, do you?
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#10 Dec 16 2013 at 7:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Russia and China had ALL those documents months ago, I assure you.

You don't think they let him hang out in their nations because of their strong belief in US citizen privacy rights, do you?


I believe you are quite right, in fact I imagine that they had them months prior to this anyway...after all their spy networks are as extensive and probably equally advanced as the US anyway. After all its not like Russia and China both didn't claim the US and NATO had be caught spying numerous times throughout the last decade...almost as often as we caught them spying on us.

As for letting him hang out. The effect of Snowden narking on his own governments misdeeds is pretty significant. Much more so than China or Russia just dishing out the dirt. It creates distrust of the Government nationally, and distrust of the Government internationally. In fact the worst thing the US government did was try and nab this guy...all the huffing and puffing about him has pretty much substantiated anything he releases...hell he could even be releasing cooked up sh*t from Russia, and because of the stance taken by the US...it is going to carry weight...regardless if it is fact or not...

and this pretty much encompasses anyone deemed on the inside, including primary members of Five Eyes, and their associated nations such as France Sweeden and Germany.

Heck Snowden could have absolutely nothing and still serve as a wonderful propaganda box. We really have no way of knowing if anything he says is true...and despite that people believe it because of the situation that the US created about him. (hypothetically of course...I wager its all true because well governments have always spied on their people.)


Also since I am on this page....I need Reggie Bush to have a huge game for Fantasy Football playoffs (23 points min.) But he is playing my Ravens...Go Ravens!!!! (with 3 Bush TDs.)



Edited, Dec 16th 2013 8:49pm by rdmcandie
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Point being: "I wager there are a few documents pertaining to things we don't want Russia or China to know about" is meaningless. They already know.
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Point being: "I wager there are a few documents pertaining to things we don't want Russia or China to know about" is meaningless. They already know.


Agreed it is meaningless in current context of course....Politically...well lots of people think Snowden is a Hero.



"Snowden welcomed back to US: Charges dropped with deal to destroy any documents that could endanger armed forces abroad or Americans at home!"
Landmark deal for reentry to us sees some 500,000 documents of the 1.5M destroyed. Snowden has agreed to remain under observation on US soil but is absolved of any crimes against the nation. The documents which remain confidential were said to have revealed intelligence of current and future American operations abroad. Additionally another 10K documents were destroyed that pertained to NATO operations deemed to be in best interest of the target area <insert some lame NATO welfare mission> Snowden has been asked by the Clinton administration to help make government monitoring of citizens more transparent.


Snowden was nominated for TIME Person of the Year...but lost to Vlad Putin who created mid east peace after his military drove out hidden CIA training camps throughout Iraq, Afghanistan, and Saudi Arabia.


Ok I might have exaggerated some at the end...but if it can be politicized it isn't meaningless, and this will become a political thing and I wager Snowden will be welcomed back stateside.
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Agreed it is meaningless in current context of course....Politically...well lots of people think Snowden is a Hero.

A lot think of him as a traitor as well. I don't think there's significant capital to be gained playing to either side.
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Agreed it is meaningless in current context of course....Politically...well lots of people think Snowden is a Hero.

A lot think of him as a traitor as well. I don't think there's significant capital to be gained playing to either side.


Depends how its spun. How many people bought that Assad gassed his own people, how many people thought that Iraq had WMD's.

Get the right polls and anything is popular.

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#15 Dec 16 2013 at 10:47 PM Rating: Default
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Oh and aside update.

RAVENS!!!!!

TUCKER!!!!!

Not only did my Ravens win to keep playoffs alive, I won my Fantasy match...on my way to at minimum a cool 500 bucks..if I win 850. If I win the "Final Four" (Champions of 4 divisions by point total) I win 1250.

@#%^ing stoked. I could do a line of blow off a dead hookers *** and give zero @#%^s.

Edited, Dec 16th 2013 11:48pm by rdmcandie
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Russia and China had ALL those documents months ago, I assure you.

You don't think they let him hang out in their nations because of their strong belief in US citizen privacy rights, do you?


He gave the documents to Poitras and Greenwald in Hong Kong prior to going to Russia. "I assure you" (lol)

As for motivations; Hong Kong is semi-autonomous. Russia is the only or one of few countries that would grant asylum, since the US revoked his passport so he didn't have a choice of countries to fly to. Both China and Russia sure wouldn't mind snubbing a nose at the US. Motivation enough. Even if Snowden didn't immediately ejaculate secret documents upon them (lol).

Where would you fly to, oh great whistleblowing strategist, without a passport? Would you say right now in theory that you'd move to say, UK or Mexico and so let the US extradite you, and be happy about a 25 year prison sentence?

You somehow have turned into a nattering nabob of idiocy and excuses and deflections. I mean, what in the **** do your utterly baseless, evidence-less contentions about Snowden theoretically still having and turning over docus to China and Russia have to do with Judge Richard Leon's ruling?

I'm glad that in the last century there have been many tried and true descriptions of logical fallacies (and/or pussiness). Including, hey; hi: Blame the Messenger.

Pathetic.
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A lot think of him as a traitor as well

Not really, seems skewed wildly to the "hero" side. Unless you mean "douchebag". Many people definitely see him as a "douchebag" without seeing him as Bradley Manning. I used the old male name because I didn't want to make you uncomfortable.
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Most don't think of him at all.
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I'd forget about him if they managed to keep him out of the news for more than two days...
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Where would you fly to, oh great whistleblowing strategist, without a passport?

Well, I wouldn't have done it in the first place but Snowden did have a passport when he went to China.
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I mean, what in the @#%^ do your utterly baseless, evidence-less contentions about Snowden theoretically still having and turning over docus to China and Russia have to do with Judge Richard Leon's ruling?

Did you not read the thread? I was responding to another post. That's how these things usually work: someone presents a topic, others opine on it, others respond to those opinions, etc.

Anyway, the ruling itself was a punt to the SCotUS.

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I'd forget about him if they managed to keep him out of the news for more than two days...

He has a good PR team, and honestly, in his circumstance what you really don't want to be is out of the public awareness.
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Banana. More male.
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I'd forget about him if they managed to keep him out of the news for more than two days...

He has a good PR team, and honestly, in his circumstance what you really don't want to be is out of the public awareness.
Oh I get it from his point of view, I'm just sick of seeing his face all the time.
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Not only did my Ravens win to keep playoffs alive,
They got one heck of an uphill fight in front of them still.

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I'd forget about him if they managed to keep him out of the news for more than two days...

He has a good PR team, and honestly, in his circumstance what you really don't want to be is out of the public awareness.
Oh I get it from his point of view, I'm just sick of seeing his face all the time.
Not to mention the same couple of pictures. They need something new with him.
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Not to mention the same couple of pictures. They need something new with him.

Right, he should cover some pop songs on youtube with lyrics adjusted for his situation.

"I will never by loyal..(Loyal) It's just no in my blood.
I'd rather be a douchebag on the run, randomly slinging mud"

etc
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There's some potential there, but maybe it'd be better to wait until after they catch him and he does a decade or two in jail or something. You know, for the street cred.
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