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#27 Mar 14 2014 at 1:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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Our kids will all grow up to be nurses and be just fine.
Might as well ride the gravy train until the baby boomers all die and we can get back to doing more useful things.
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#28 Mar 14 2014 at 1:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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Mechanics and killing brown people soldiers, too.
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yeah as already stated this is obvious - but hey - the world's 300 richest billionaires added more than half a trillion to their collective net worth last year - so apparently even though anyone with half a brain knows what would be better for the vast majority of us - we still keep trundling towards an absolute oligarchy instead...

Too bad our democracies are rigged by big money.
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Well, look at a car like the Ferrari 250 GTO. It's a ~$60,000,000 car that was hand built in extremely limited numbers from 1962-1964 (Ferrari lied about building the minimum of 100 needed to compete in GT races by skipping lots of serial numbers and pretending they didn't). That's a 50-52 year old, completely hand built finely tuned and delicate car made by crazy Italian people, you probably need to spend a few million a year just so it doesn't fall apart when you look at it.

Edit: Oh and if anything breaks you're @#%^ed. Supposedly there aren't even 2 doors that are identical (even on the same car they differed in size) because it was all hand crafted.

Edited, Mar 14th 2014 7:51pm by Aethien



For every car nut you have like Leno you have a cheap $%^ that has been driving the same rusted out pick up for the past 20 years with a net worth more then all of us that post here combined though our life times. Sure just cause you can blow though a few hundred million doesn't change the fact that most of them horde far more money then they put back into the economy.
#31 Mar 14 2014 at 1:52 PM Rating: Good
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Of course we know these things, but nothing will be done about it.

Before I saw this thread, I was just wondering what my kids will be doing when they're old enough to work. My wife seems to think they're going to go to "college" and that will be their magic bullet, because she is in school and pretty much guaranteed a decent paying job as a nurse or nurse practitioner if she goes a bit further. I tell her that is the only career path I know of that is that flexible, and that we don't all have an ex-husband and grandparents to help them pay to go to school. I want to ask my stepdaughter if they're still teaching kids they can grow up to be whatever they want to be.

Apparently I am too negative. Our kids will all grow up to be nurses and be just fine.


The world is always going to need plumbers, electricians, and tech support.



When I think of any of those three things I imagine want ads in the paper and on all of those job search websites. Every one that I have seen demands applicants have several years of experience doing those things. How does one coming out of school in this day and age become a plumber or electrician? I'm not sure I could afford to send them off to India to work tech support.
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#32 Mar 14 2014 at 2:14 PM Rating: Good
Same way you get any job - you write on the cover letter that you don't have the X years of experience they want, but you're so awesome they should hire you anyway. For big companies, you lift the lines straight from the requirements of the job and modify the sentences so it'll get approved by the HR robots and get read by an actual HR human being.

Job requires "Two years of experience as a full time electrician" and "State Board Electrician Certification."

You write "While I do not yet have two years experience as a full time electrician as your advertisement calls for, I finished my electrical engineering program at Local Tech School with the highest grades in my class. Once I have been hired full time, my first professional goal will be to acquire my State Board Electrician Certification and I hope to achieve it within six months."

As long as your cover letter includes the key words, it doesn't matter if your resume does not. The robots read them both.
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yeah as already stated this is obvious - but hey - the world's 300 richest billionaires added more than half a trillion to their collective net worth last year - so apparently even though anyone with half a brain knows what would be better for the vast majority of us - we still keep trundling towards an absolute oligarchy instead...

Too bad our democracies are rigged by big money.


Plutocracy is the word you were looking for, I think, and I agree. Holy ******* ****, these guys really don't have enough money yet?
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When I think of any of those three things I imagine want ads in the paper and on all of those job search websites. Every one that I have seen demands applicants have several years of experience doing those things. How does one coming out of school in this day and age become a plumber or electrician?

Lie, stupid. The consequences of lying to corporate HR are nil. There is no reason to be honest with them, ever. All it would do is provide reasons to ignore your resume. If you get the job and can do it well, no one will give a **** that you lied on your resume. People laugh about such things all the time. If they discover your lie prior to you being offered a job, nothing happens. Because people sue. The sole reason corporate HR exists is to minimize exposure to law suits. Lie to them and they'll wink and be glad someone understands. Be honest with them and they'll do all they can to avoid or be rid of you. Welcome to capitalism.

Note: Smasharoo has never "applied" for a job in the public sector. I don't lie on RFPs, but I also might not get paid if I did. Salary drones make nothing, but they rarely get stiffed.
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Plutocracy is the word you were looking for, I think

No, Oligarchy is better. "Old money" still matters, and to some small degree, titled nobility. Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are lovely, but really, David Rothschild wields far more actual influence, and without question his great great grandchildren will do so exponentially to the Gateseseses.
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I always assumed that, for trade jobs, you got your minimum time in via union apprenticeships and the like but then I'm from Illinois.
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I always assumed that, for trade jobs, you got your minimum time in via union apprenticeships

Here in the worker's paradise, it's largely something done as a sort of work study in vocational high schools. One can still apprentice with a master tradesman and meet the criteria, but there is a required number of hours of classwork also.
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#38 Mar 14 2014 at 2:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you've finished your degree and haven't done the minimum number of hours necessary to get an entry level job you're likely "doing it wrong," or the field is already bloated to the point you shouldn't be trying to get into it anyway.

Internships, work study, etc. Get on it.
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#39 Mar 14 2014 at 2:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's my understanding that most internships are unpaid in the USA now. Or is that just a white-collar thing? Seriously, who, starting out, can afford to work for free? You have to have a really good relationship with your parents to be able to remain dependent on them, right? Don't know how work study is paid.
#40 Mar 14 2014 at 3:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's my understanding that most internships are unpaid in the USA now. Or is that just a white-collar thing? Seriously, who, starting out, can afford to work for free? You have to have a really good relationship with your parents to be able to remain dependent on them, right? Don't know how work study is paid.
It can vary a bit across different sectors, but yes, internships are largely either unpaid, or pay so little you could never support yourself by them. Work study is financial aid money you earn through working, for example I spent 3 years doing different jobs for our Biology and Chemistry departments at my school.

The idea is you do them while still dependent on others, or while paying for college room and board. They by-in-large aren't something you could use to, say, support a family while earning a degree.

Edited, Mar 14th 2014 2:20pm by someproteinguy
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It's my understanding that most internships are unpaid in the USA now. Or is that just a white-collar thing? Seriously, who, starting out, can afford to work for free? You have to have a really good relationship with your parents to be able to remain dependent on them, right? Don't know how work study is paid.
It can vary a bit across different sectors, but yes, internships are largely either unpaid, or pay so little you could never support yourself by them. Work study is financial aid money you earn through working, for example I spent 3 years doing different jobs for our Biology and Chemistry departments at my school.

The idea is you do them while still dependent on others, or while paying for college room and board. They by-in-large aren't something you couldn't use to, say, support a family while earning a degree.

Just pull money out of your trust fund while you build experience. What's wrong with you?

Edited, Mar 14th 2014 4:18pm by Xsarus
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Here in the worker's paradise, it's largely something done as a sort of work study in vocational high schools. One can still apprentice with a master tradesman and meet the criteria, but there is a required number of hours of classwork also.

Yeah, we have trade schools and the like here as well (as I'm sure you figured) but I was referring to the "two years full time experience" aspect.
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someproteinguy wrote:
If you've finished your degree and haven't done the minimum number of hours necessary to get an entry level job you're likely "doing it wrong," or the field is already bloated to the point you shouldn't be trying to get into it anyway.

Internships, work study, etc. Get on it.


In 2011 or so they implemented an "Related Technical Instruction" system into the Michigan Electrical Apprenticeship program. So many hours of RTI per year, and total required to sit for the Journeyman's exam. I was in the final year of my 4 year apprenticeship. I called them and asked if my 4 year degree in Electrical Engineer covered the RTI requirements, and they said no. It had to be done while you were registered as an apprentice with the State. Even though the courses they required were exactly the same as the basic courses I had already taken throughout college. The degree only waved 2000 hours of on the job work experience required for the 8000 hour + 4 year program.

Luckily for me, they were grandfathering in everyone in their last year of apprenticeship. I was able to sit for the last possible test and got my license.
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Aripyanfar wrote:
Well there we have it. Now gbaji can come by and if he reads the article, point out that the $1 to a "high-income" American didn't say it was going to business owners, and it's business owners who are the only* wealth creators, so it's only their GDP multipliers that count.


That's not the issue at all. The problem with this assessment (and similar ones made in the past) is that they all assume that direct consumption is the only factor for economic growth. This is obviously not true, but they repeat claims based on the assumption anyway. Of course, if all you do is calculate the economic multipliers of consumption among different groups, the one that consumes a greater percentage of its earnings will create a greater amount of economic growth relative to its total earnings. It's a meaningless and circular claim.

It's a simplistic claim that only looks at one portion of the whole economic picture.

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if you got a half hour this vid is pretty good. not really related other than talking about money and ****. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mII9NZ8MMVM
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#46gbaji, Posted: Mar 14 2014 at 6:36 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Most people do internships while in school, not after they graduate (or I should say "most smart people"). While you're still enshrined in the protective warm glow of studenthood, you're free to spend time on things that don't earn you money right now, but which may help you make money later (kinda the whole point). We get a lot of summer interns, but you can do internship work year round if you want, just have to work around your class schedule. Again though, since this is something that benefits you in your career, and is free work for the employer, no one cares if you can only show up 4 hours a week or something.
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gbaji wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
It's my understanding that most internships are unpaid in the USA now. Or is that just a white-collar thing? Seriously, who, starting out, can afford to work for free? You have to have a really good relationship with your parents to be able to remain dependent on them, right? Don't know how work study is paid.


Most people do internships while in school, not after they graduate (or I should say "most smart people"). While you're still enshrined in the protective warm glow of studenthood, you're free to spend time on things that don't earn you money right now, but which may help you make money later (kinda the whole point). We get a lot of summer interns, but you can do internship work year round if you want, just have to work around your class schedule. Again though, since this is something that benefits you in your career, and is free work for the employer, no one cares if you can only show up 4 hours a week or something.

Sounds good, but it becomes a trap if you are also working a paying job in order to afford school.
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I did an internship, but was paid during it. This is engineering for what it's worth, but I've never heard of a coop or internship program in Canada that doesn't pay you. Generally at a decent rate too.

These are coordinated by the school.
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I did an internship, but was paid during it. This is engineering for what it's worth, but I've never heard of a coop or internship program in Canada that doesn't pay you. Generally at a decent rate too.

These are coordinated by the school.


And generally get a nice fist bump from the government come tax time. Usually up to 10K Tax Credit for taking on an Intern., and small business get 75% Government reimbursement on Interns wages if hired for over 6 months or something like that.

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I tried digging up an article I read about unpaid internship a while back. Instead I find a metric crapton of articles like these:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101004784

You can get Americans to do anything if you come up with enough ways to ******** them into thinking it's a good idea. No amount of "awareness" about these kinds of problems will stop people from exploiting others for free or underpaid labor so long as there are people dumb/desperate enough to go along with them.
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After a certain point, wealthy people just don't spend much money. There's the house, and the car, and the second (third) house and car, and clothes... how much can one person really use? So after the closets and garages are full, they're just not very productive consumers any more.


I disagree. World dominaiton plots are very expensive. You have minion labor costs, hireing multiple replacement construction crews to replace the witnesses during construction of your evil volcano island lair, island lair costs, doomsday weapon components that are never cheap, submarine yachts, government official bribes, etc. It's all very expensive. Do you know how much it costs to feed a small army of loyal minions? You can't skimp on the food costs. unsatisfied hungry minions are a secret agents best friend. Not to mention the computer and broadcast equipment necessary to hack into world leader video conferences and broadcast your demands. People always thing "evil world dominion types never pay for anything or pay taxes" but thats a rookie mistake. Easiest way to alert the various intel agencies out there is to stop paying their tithes. That or start wholesaling uranium oxide. Either one.
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