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#1 Apr 02 2014 at 9:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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the Supreme Court on Wednesday eliminated limits on the total amount people can donate to various political campaigns in a single election season. However, the court left intact the current $5,200 limit on how much an individual can give to any single candidate.


Freedom of speech I suppose. Does this mean fewer superpac thingies and whatnot? Let's just move the cheese into another mouse hole? Does it all even matter?

This ruling is...
a win for freedom.:1 (4.2%)
eroding our voice in government.:13 (54.2%)
inconsequential.:3 (12.5%)
bacon.:7 (29.2%)
Total:24
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#2 Apr 02 2014 at 9:23 AM Rating: Good
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I got first vote.

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#3 Apr 02 2014 at 9:25 AM Rating: Good
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Is it too soon to say I know what the obvious answer is? Can I just get the fact that it's just obvious out of the way?
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#4 Apr 02 2014 at 9:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sounds good to me.
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#5 Apr 02 2014 at 9:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's pretty inconsequential given the context of super pacs
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#6 Apr 02 2014 at 9:45 AM Rating: Good
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
It's pretty inconsequential given the context of super pacs
You forget one thing.
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#7 Apr 02 2014 at 11:02 AM Rating: Excellent
Grats on those three zeros there, lolgaxe.
#8 Apr 02 2014 at 12:55 PM Rating: Good
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Sounds good to me.


Bacon sounds good to everyone.
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#9 Apr 02 2014 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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Grats on those three zeros there, lolgaxe.

Savoring the 41K moment?

It's been almost four hours since last post.

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#10 Apr 02 2014 at 1:23 PM Rating: Good
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someproteinguy wrote:
Sounds good to me.


Bacon sounds good to everyone.

I love that sound, but it the smells is even better.
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#11 Apr 02 2014 at 1:25 PM Rating: Good
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Grats on those three zeros there, lolgaxe.

Savoring the 41K moment?

It's been almost four hours since last post.

Maybe he actually had to do some work?
#12 Apr 02 2014 at 1:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Probably just taking a nap in the office, since Putin still seems to be on his side of the border and what not.
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#13 Apr 02 2014 at 1:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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"We conclude that the aggregate limits... intrude without justification on a citizen's ability to express the most fundamental First Amendment activities."


The right to buy the best candidate he can afford.
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#14 Apr 02 2014 at 4:04 PM Rating: Good
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Maybe he actually had to do some work?
Someone decided that my safety lecture at the beginning of the day wasn't important enough to follow so they had to be instructed accordingly.
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#15 Apr 02 2014 at 4:16 PM Rating: Default
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Was listening to the progressive station on the radio today. Almost laughed the the blatant hypocrisy of the guy who's being paid to express political views on the radio to a mass audience decrying the idea that people could spend money to influence people's votes. And this literally 1 minute after saying how important it is to make sure to elect a Democrat to the White House in 2016 so that more progressive justices could be appointed to the Supreme Court. I guess it's only unfair when the other guy does it?
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#16 Apr 02 2014 at 4:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Unless he was saying that conservatives shouldn't be allowed talk radio programs, I'm not seeing the humorous hypocrisy.
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#17 Apr 02 2014 at 4:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
I'm not seeing the humorous hypocrisy.
That's because you're a liberal. Liberal.
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#18 Apr 02 2014 at 4:28 PM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
Unless he was saying that conservatives shouldn't be allowed talk radio programs, I'm not seeing the humorous hypocrisy.


Because his argument went beyond just the specifics of the ruling and was a more broad "rich people shouldn't be allowed to spend money to influence people's votes". All the while not apparently realizing that his job is the result of a rich person (or group of rich people) spending money to influence people's votes. The icing on the cake was that he literally made this broad statement, not one minute after passionately telling his listeners how important it was to elect a Democrat to the White House in 2016.

Edited, Apr 2nd 2014 3:29pm by gbaji
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Ah, I guess you lost me with "I guess it's only unfair when the other guy does it?" given that the 'other guy' has spent decades literally doing the exact same thing he's doing and yet he wasn't actually complaining about that. I don't know enough about your local progressive station to comment on whether his job is primarily to sell advertising spots or to influence voters although I assume the bulk of his audience is the already converted so I'm not sure how many votes he's influencing even on a good day.

But, anyway, boy howdy yeah ain't that guy a regular corker?
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#20 Apr 02 2014 at 6:41 PM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
Ah, I guess you lost me with "I guess it's only unfair when the other guy does it?" given that the 'other guy' has spent decades literally doing the exact same thing he's doing and yet he wasn't actually complaining about that.


Um... You do get that the outrage over this isn't about election reform or free speech, right? It's about the typical liberal "rich people are evil (and Republican)" screed. Of course it's freaking irrational as hell. Have you ever listened to liberal talk? Watched Rachel Maddow just once? Ever? It's not about talking about the ramifications of the issue at hand, but about putting as many key/loaded words and phrases in front of the audience as possible to scare them.

This particular case was particularly funny because the fellow on the radio was apparently banking on the fact that his audience wouldn't realize that he's engaging in exactly what he was complaining about. But because he's a liberal, I'm assuming that most of his audience just assumes that he's funded by a million individual hard working volunteers handing over a few bucks each in some sort of socialist utopian co-op or something. Cause it's all about the little people working together, right? Lol!

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I don't know enough about your local progressive station to comment on whether his job is primarily to sell advertising spots or to influence voters although I assume the bulk of his audience is the already converted so I'm not sure how many votes he's influencing even on a good day.


It was on Sirius. So not a local progressive station. Kinda nationwide, in fact.
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#21 Apr 02 2014 at 6:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
It was on Sirius. So not a local progressive station. Kinda nationwide, in fact.
Yes, when people refer to a station as "the progressive station," most would clearly first think of Sirius and not a local station.
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gbaji wrote:
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Ah, I guess you lost me with "I guess it's only unfair when the other guy does it?" given that the 'other guy' has spent decades literally doing the exact same thing he's doing and yet he wasn't actually complaining about that.
Um... You do get that the outrage over this isn't about election reform or free speech, right? It's about the typical liberal "rich people are evil (and Republican)" screed.

Well, I wasn't listening to him so I have no idea what his "outrage" was about aside from what you said.

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Of course it's freaking irrational as hell. Have you ever listened to liberal talk? Watched Rachel Maddow just once? Ever? It's not about talking about the ramifications of the issue at hand, but about putting as many key/loaded words and phrases in front of the audience as possible to scare them.

I don't watch Maddow (don't know if I ever have; not intentionally but maybe in passing) or listen to liberal talk. In my limited experience, liberal talk radio has always been exceptionally poor listening in regards to host talent. I don't know why that is but, again, maybe you have more listenable hosts in your neck of the woods. That said, conservative talk is pretty much the same as you describe.

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But because he's a liberal, I'm assuming that most of his audience just assumes that he's funded by a million individual hard working volunteers handing over a few bucks each in some sort of socialist utopian co-op or something

Really? You said you were listening to the radio and I immediately assumed he was owned by Clear Channel, Cumulus, Citadel or one of the other massive media conglomerates. Why on earth would I assume anyone (aside from perhaps a small local public station) is funded by small donations? Radio doesn't work that way. But, again, I can't speak for his listening audience -- maybe they are all indeed fooled into thinking he's supported by nickles and dimes.

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It was on Sirius. So not a local progressive station. Kinda nationwide, in fact.

I don't listen to satellite radio so, again, I couldn't tell ya. I'd assume his primary purpose is to make his station profitable and any "influencing votes" is a happy secondary result of that.

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A quick look (since I wasn't familiar) suggests that SiriusXM Progress is owned and operated by Sirius. So, yeah, his primary purpose is to create and sustain Sirius subscribers, not to influence voters. Unless we're to assume that Sirius is using him to push their liberal agenda but that would make one wonder what the purpose of SiriusXM Patriot (really? Smiley: rolleyes) is all about.

People think that SiriusXM stations are independently funded by small donations?
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#24 Apr 02 2014 at 7:32 PM Rating: Default
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It was on Sirius. So not a local progressive station. Kinda nationwide, in fact.
Yes, when people refer to a station as "the progressive station," most would clearly first think of Sirius and not a local station.


Interesting how that shouldn't matter unless you decide to dismiss the issue based on presumed audience size rather than address it directly.
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#25 Apr 02 2014 at 7:36 PM Rating: Good
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Interesting how that shouldn't matter unless you decide to dismiss the issue based on presumed audience size rather than address it directly.
It matters when the initial intent was to dismiss someone for their lack of knowledge of something when all the data was purposely withheld. Keep dancing, smashing you down is effortless fun.
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#26 Apr 02 2014 at 7:38 PM Rating: Default
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But because he's a liberal, I'm assuming that most of his audience just assumes that he's funded by a million individual hard working volunteers handing over a few bucks each in some sort of socialist utopian co-op or something

Really? You said you were listening to the radio and I immediately assumed he was owned by Clear Channel, Cumulus, Citadel or one of the other massive media conglomerates. Why on earth would I assume anyone (aside from perhaps a small local public station) is funded by small donations? Radio doesn't work that way. But, again, I can't speak for his listening audience -- maybe they are all indeed fooled into thinking he's supported by nickles and dimes.


Um... /whoosh?

Liberals love to portray their positions as being derived by "the people", in contrast to Conservative views, which are supposedly imposed on us all by a small number of rich and powerful people. Geez Joph. It's only like the whole point of this thread. Assuming you are intelligent enough to realize that both "sides" involve big rich interests using money to influence people, then you also should realize the absurdity of liberal outrage over this. Their "side" gains just as much from this as conservatives do.

They've just been fooled into thinking that "the rich" only side with conservatives. Heck. That's why liberals seem to think that finding some millionaire (or billionaire) who supports some liberal position is such a big deal. Every time someone says "Look. Even this millionaire agrees that taxes on the rich are too low", they are perpetuating this myth about the correlation between political alignment and wealth/power.

Some of us are just more aware of this than others, I guess.
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