This again, only different. Kind of. Follow

I'm sorry? Did they run through the protesters with batons beating them? Did they indiscriminately fire water cannons at marching protesters? Did they let dogs loose on them? No? That's restraint. What they have done, if you actually bother to find longer and more complete video images rather than the still images and short clips most people watch, is let the protesters go anywhere they want, with normal officer in the area keeping an eye on things, but not intervening at all. Only when reports of looting or violence is reported (or protesters actually go up to the police and attack them), do they arrive in any sort of force. Even then, they form a line with vehicles. They shout into bullhorns for 10-20 minutes warning everyone to leave the area. They sound sirens and whistles. Only after they've given every single person with a lick of sense plenty of time to leave do they then very slowly and methodically begin firing smoke grenades (some tear gas as well, but it's unclear when that is used instead of just smoke) towards those still formed up. This causes the crowd to disperse, without causing any injuries. They then slowly walk forward and repeat the process until the area is cleared.


What you are seeing is people running to where this is going on, apparently deliberately so they can get caught up in the police response. Then they report how they were attacked by police for doing nothing at all. Um... Don't run to where the riot is dummy!

And yeah, that's massive restraint. What exactly do you think the cops should do when they get reports of looting and violence? Nothing? Just let people's property get destroyed? Just let people get beaten, robbed,and killed? The police still have to protect property and lives, even in the midst of protesting. Far more injuries have occurred as a result of violence taking place under cover of these "peaceful protests" than has occurred as a result of police response.



None of this has anything to do with the police response to the protests and riots though. We can also discuss mistakes made by the police with regards to investigation and whatnot, but I was talking about (and you responded to) whether the physical police actions were causing the violence in the town. I don't believe that they are. I'm quite certain that if the police all stayed in the station and did nothing while the protests were going on, we'd see half the town burn down. And when police didn't respond still, the mob would probably march on the police station and force them to react.

You don't get that this sort of "protest" is designed to maximize the odds of violent confrontation. The protesters will keep upping the ante until they get a violent response. At some point, you do have to place the blame on them. I'll repeat again: All that has to happen for the violence to stop is for the protesters to stop protesting. They stay home, and there's no violence. The cops stay home and there is. The cops show up and there is So who is to blame here?


Oh. And I'll second someone's point that had the police taken the body from the scene, the narrative would have been about how they were covering up the crime or something. It's lose lose.

I think that's what the cops did as well.

I am not sure you understand how people work. I am not sure you understand how angry people work either ( same way -- there is a shorter fuse though ).

If you do not see very simple cause and effect at work here, I am not sure what can anyone possibly say that would change your world view. You must have lived in some sort of amazing bubble.

It's never too late.

Edited, Sep 3rd 2014 9:17am by lolgaxe

There is Fergusson 2 going on in luisiana, north iberia or smth. apparently a black kid got himself shot after being frisked and placed in s squad car. details are scarce, but it already sounds like a real better than f1.

Baits'R`us

In Obama`s America you are a kid until you are 27. Keep up.

Someone watched Gran Torino.

At my age, it does.

Hey if I had a kid at 18, he could call that 22 year old "young man"

Wait, is this like the time some kid(?) got arrested, handcuffed, tossed in the back of a cruiser then managed to pull a gun out of his ass (literally, I believe) and shoot himself in the head?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Chavis_Carter

Not sure if that's the one they're talking about.

Police Car suicides are a 'thing' now??

Police induced suicides have been a thing for a while. Someone goes out of their way to get chased, and then finally get stopped and either pretend to reach for something or reach for something that looks like a weapon and gets taken out.