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#1 Sep 12 2014 at 5:55 AM Rating: Good
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I Want Elizabeth Warren To Run Against Hillary Clinton And Win
but the sentiment seems to be growing among the liberal pundits.

Elizabeth has claimed she is not running for president. Her words have been parsed to mean she is indeed not currently running for president...but that could change at some point.

She's sure been making a splash this summer promoting her new book, A Fighting Chance. I've seen her on numerous talk shows, interviews etc and according to one MSNBC Reporter.....
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Sen. Elizabeth Warren may not be running for president, and she may have signed a letter encouraging Hillary Clinton to run instead, but the progressive New Englander continues to subtly undermine Clinton through omission.


Will she run?

Can she win the Dem nomination?

If it came down to Hillary and Elizabeth who would get your vote? What if we add Biden to the mix? How about Deval Patrick?

Anyone read her book?

She says everything I want to hear, and she says is in a believable, reasonable tone. She's smart, an woman, she's not pretty but not ugly, she comes from a middle-class upbringing, she doesn't appear to have any terrible sordid closet skeletons. She seems to good to be true.



Edited, Sep 12th 2014 1:56pm by Elinda
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#2 Sep 12 2014 at 6:05 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
If it came down to Hillary and Elizabeth who would get your vote?
I don't know enough of the latter to really say I'd vote for her, but I'm definitely not a Hillary fan, so definitely not that one.
#3 Sep 12 2014 at 6:12 AM Rating: Default
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Elinda wrote:
This is only Bill Maher,
Quote:
I Want Elizabeth Warren To Run Against Hillary Clinton And Win
but the sentiment seems to be growing among the liberal pundits.

Elizabeth has claimed she is not running for president. Her words have been parsed to mean she is indeed not currently running for president...but that could change at some point.

She's sure been making a splash this summer promoting her new book, A Fighting Chance. I've seen her on numerous talk shows, interviews etc and according to one MSNBC Reporter.....
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Sen. Elizabeth Warren may not be running for president, and she may have signed a letter encouraging Hillary Clinton to run instead, but the progressive New Englander continues to subtly undermine Clinton through omission.


Will she run?

Can she win the Dem nomination?

If it came down to Hillary and Elizabeth who would get your vote? What if we add Biden to the mix? How about Deval Patrick?

Anyone read her book?

She says everything I want to hear, and she says is in a believable, reasonable tone. She's smart, an woman, she's not pretty but not ugly, she comes from a middle-class upbringing, she doesn't appear to have any terrible sordid closet skeletons. She seems to good to be true.

Edited, Sep 12th 2014 1:56pm by Elinda


She is not and idiot. She is also benefits in my eyes by not being Hillary.

But does she actually have a reasonable chance? If republican line-up is weak ( it is ) and democrats can support non-Hillary candidate ( they did give nomination to Obama once so who knows ), I guess it is not completely outside the realm of possibility.

Personally, I am emotionally preparing for Hillary the Destroyer taking over the US of A.


Edited, Sep 12th 2014 8:13am by angrymnk
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#4 Sep 12 2014 at 7:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
Will she run?

No. Not if Clinton runs (which she will)
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Can she win the Dem nomination?

Not if Clinton runs (which she will)
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If it came down to Hillary and Elizabeth who would get your vote?

Clinton, based on electability.
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#5 Sep 12 2014 at 7:12 AM Rating: Good
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She is also benefits in my eyes by not being Hillary.
I think this is an asset as well. She haa all the 'good' qualities that hillary has - boobs, smarts, progressiveness etc. But doesn't come with the baggage - benghazi, bill, corporate pawn, etc.

She also doesn't have the nearly the stature or xp that Hillary has.
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#6 Sep 12 2014 at 7:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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She also doesn't have the nearly the stature or xp that Hillary has.

But that is Hillary's primary "good attribute" for getting elected -- that she's Hillary Clinton. Most people have no clue who Warren is.

Bill Clinton recently polled as the most liked political figure in the US and the only one to break the 50% favorable mark.
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#7 Sep 12 2014 at 10:42 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
Elizabeth has claimed she is not running for president.
Everyone has claimed to not be running for President.
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#8 Sep 12 2014 at 11:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elizabeth has claimed she is not running for president.
Everyone has claimed to not be running for President.
Of course, they all have to load up on illegal cash first, before everyone starts watching.
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I'm casually acquainted with Mrs Warren. Good senator, *below average* campaigner. I don't think Hillary will run, but either way Warren shouldn't. She's not Obama, she has a real problem connecting with important Democratic demographics.
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#10 Sep 13 2014 at 7:29 AM Rating: Good
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I'm casually acquainted with Mrs Warren. Good senator, *below average* campaigner. I don't think Hillary will run, but either way Warren shouldn't. She's not Obama, she has a real problem connecting with important Democratic demographics.


I feel like her economic policies are such that the big $ post Citizens United would make it super hard for Warren to win even if she somehow became a better campaigner. I'd vote for her over Hillary, but Hillary is the better general election candidate outside of actual video emerging of Hillary leading the charge into the Consulate during its fall in Benghazi.
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#11 Sep 15 2014 at 7:15 AM Rating: Good
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So is there a field to examine or are they all really waiting for the last minute in hopes their skeletons won't be discovered in time?
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Nah, they're all waiting on Clinton to make a move. Most people don't want to spend the time, money and political capital battering a campaign against her's if/when she declares that she's running.
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I'm casually acquainted with Mrs Warren. Good senator, *below average* campaigner. I don't think Hillary will run, but either way Warren shouldn't. She's not Obama, she has a real problem connecting with important Democratic demographics.


You don't think Clinton will run? That just a guess, or do you have a reason to believe this? Not saying you're wrong, but she's clearly the current forerunner for the Dems. Name recognition alone is huge. The only reason I can think of why she might not run is if she honestly believes that she can't win the General, but will win the Primary, and is willing to step aside for the good of her party. And that would make her a rare political animal indeed.

I suppose she could also actually have a health issue going on as well (denials aside). I usually don't pay much attention to that side of the talk, but it is possible. Honestly curious what your reasoning is though.
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#14 Sep 16 2014 at 6:11 AM Rating: Good
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Hillary has given no indication that she isn't running, but plenty that she is. Perhaps she's still leaving her options open. At this point it, though, would be pretty fanciful for her not to run.

Imagine a world where Hillary Clinton didn’t run for president in 2016
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.....But, what if? What if it were a no? What if all of this nudging and winking and campaigning really was this terribly weird way in which Hillary went about making decisions, running full bore just in case, and then pulling the plug?

The primary result would be that a lot of people would be hospitalized with catatonia. Among those would be the Democratic candidates who either aren't bothering to think about running -- Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), for example -- and the ones who are clearly thinking about running but can't get any oxygen.

If there were no Hillary 2016, America might have heard of Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley (D), a good-looking guy who's in a band and so on. But as it is, no one has heard of him. Even as I write this, I have to double-check that his name isn't Marvin. (That's not true, but it's close.)
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#15 Sep 16 2014 at 7:51 AM Rating: Good
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I usually don't pay much attention to that side of the talk, but it is possible.
Don't be so modest. You never pay attention to any discussion that isn't your own.
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#16 Sep 16 2014 at 8:01 AM Rating: Good
Warren won't run. She knows she will be most effective where she is, at least for now.

Bernie Sanders has been making noises, even going so far as to say he might consider running on the Dem ticket. His chances of beating Clinton are slightly higher than Warren's, but not much.

The Dems over on the Daily Kos are rooting for some governor named O'Malley, but he has even less name recognition than Sanders or Warren.

The only reason anyone will bother running against Clinton will be: 1. Ego (a surprisingly huge driver for this) 2. Hopes of pulling her to the left (either Sanders or Warren would run for this, mostly.)
#17 Sep 16 2014 at 8:14 AM Rating: Good
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The only reason anyone will bother running against Clinton will be: 1. Ego (a surprisingly huge driver for this)
Biden?
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I don't think Biden would run. It requires him to stay awake longer than a koala.
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The only reason anyone will bother running against Clinton will be: 1. Ego (a surprisingly huge driver for this) 2. Hopes of pulling her to the left (either Sanders or Warren would run for this, mostly.)

You also have people who run for name recognition down the line in future elections and people who are essentially running for the job of vice-president.
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You don't think Clinton will run?

I don't. Joph and I have a wager about it actually. If she does run I think she loses the nomination race. I have no strong opinion about to whom she would lose.

Edited, Sep 16th 2014 6:54pm by Smasharoo
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The Dems over on the Daily Kos are rooting for some governor named O'Malley

Yeah, bad at PR. AMAZING at raising money, though. Which counts for a lot.
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I usually don't pay much attention to that side of the talk, but it is possible.
Don't be so modest. You never pay attention to any discussion that isn't your own.


I'm sorry? What did you say? I was busy thinking up a follow up to something brilliant I posted earlier. Smiley: tongue

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You don't think Clinton will run?

I don't. Joph and I have a wager about it actually. If she does run I think she loses the nomination race. I have no strong opinion about to whom she would lose.


Ok. I guess I can buy that. It's still a little early, and maybe we'll see more action after this November, but I have seen close to zero movement by anyone on the Dem side so far. Everyone seems to be waiting to see what Clinton will do. Maybe you're right and she'll solidly declare she's not running in order to get others to start going, but if so she'll need to do that within the next 3 months I'd think (I'd assume right after the mid-terms are done).

To be fair, I haven't seen a lot of solid movement from the GOP side either though, so I can't really discount your prediction on that grounds. I guess it's just that the dynamics have been different. On the GOP side, it's like "this person could run" or "that person could run", with everyone being predictably coy about it, but some lining up of pundits behind their various hopefuls (so pretty normal). On the Dem side, Clinton has been such the 800lb gorilla that everyone else has been washed out of the conversation. Doesn't preclude tons of support flying to someone else if she doesn't run, but it's really like no one wants to even hypothetically support another candidate (publicly of course) so as to leave their support options open for Clinton.
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I don't. Joph and I have a wager about it actually

I'd forgotten all about that. And I was relying on my Varrus money to back up this bet!

I was looking at the Democratic nominee polling (such as it's worth anything at this date) and Madam Speaker was the only potential candidate to break double digits except for Biden and then it's 64% to 12%. Everyone else (Warren, O'Malley, Cuomo, etc) in the single digits. I find it hard to believe that Clinton will let that pass her by. God, I hope not... my hungry children really need ten McChicken sandwiches.
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I was busy thinking up a follow up to something brilliant I posted earlier.
How many years ago was that?
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I find it hard to believe that Clinton will let that pass her by

Right, and what with the foreign policy she ran as SecState going so well, she should win over a lot of new voters. Her real problem is that her coalition within the party only moves one way every day that passes. It gets smaller. She can do math. Still you may be right, I lose bets all the time. I still think she takes a hard look and decides her legacy is more impressive without losing another nomination fight.
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The Dems over on the Daily Kos are rooting for some governor named O'Malley

Yeah, bad at PR.


But he used to play in a band at the bar down the street!! Even when he was still mayor! He ROCKS!!
He's become as divisive in MD as Obama has in US. I actually felt bad for him when everyone booed him at the local 4th July parade. (but I live in a red county now[I call it PA Jr.]).



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