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#27 Jan 09 2015 at 12:51 PM Rating: Good
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Clearly there had been a war of words going one with the publication and Muslim extremists for a bit now. Has this magazine always been one of activism, albeit activism via satirical cartoons?


They've always been vocally anti-religion and anti-establishment, since the 60s. They got a lot of threats when they published the mohamed cartoons in 2006, and that kinda spurred them on. Previously, they didn't really care about Islam, it was more the usual french figures of priests and politicians and the catholic church that they insulted. But even since 2006, they've been just as vocal about the pope or jews as they have about islam.
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#28 Jan 09 2015 at 1:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Atm, the suspected gunmen are held up in some warehouse in Paris. Presumably they have a hostage. Also, there's something going on with another hostage situation. Not sure what's up with that.
I heard on the radio something about a stand off, but there's a school nearby and they've agreed to do no shooting until the school's been evacuated and then they're going down, guns blazing to become martyrs.


So don't evacuate the school for a few days. Even martyrs need to eat drink and sleep :).

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You have a hard time building up the required weapons/resources when the government can sweep in and confiscate the items.


You can buy it with your ice cream in the US. The US has the same shootings they're just homegrown terrorism and not reported us much or in the same light. Every society has their crazies, we just don't have enough automatic weapons in Canada for them to get far enough to be news.

Smash is both right and wrong. People will latch to anything that makes people they don't like "them" and religion IS a convenient excuse. Religion isn't just an excuse though, it's a reason, a direction for weak minded people. If you could magic religion away the world would be a safer place. Religion eliminates the consequences of these types of actions because everything you've done is irrelevant when you meet your maker and he pats you on the back for blowing up a school full of toddlers. Of course, the vast majority of people in any religion are not about to kill someone and are likely decent, if deluded, folk.

Without religion the violence would be recognized as senseless by the peers of those who commit it and as such would not be condoned in a group setting as is necessary to plan an attack like that unfolding in France. Those people were killed specifically because they insulted a religion not because the people doing the killing just felt like shooting some people that day.
#29 Jan 09 2015 at 1:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Religion isn't just an excuse though, it's a reason, a direction for weak minded people. If you could magic religion away the world would be a safer place

Nah, you'd just lead them under a different banner. Nationalism, racism, some political philosophy, Tutsis & Hutus or whatever.
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#30 Jan 09 2015 at 1:13 PM Rating: Good
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Frankly, I think these terrorists have completely the wrong idea. These days, terrorism just makes me all nostalgic for a better time, before the EU went completely to ****, before the Tories wrecked the country on a dare and before we wasted a decade and a half doing nothing about climate change.

Good old 2001, eh?
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#31 Jan 09 2015 at 1:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Nah, you'd just lead them under a different banner. Nationalism, racism, some political philosophy, Tutsis & Hutus or whatever.

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In it's absence nationalism, tribal identity, racism or whatever would rush in to fill the vacuum.


You'll be hearing from lawyers about this plagiarism.

Edited, Jan 9th 2015 2:16pm by Smasharoo
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Maybe that's what we'd war about instead, intellectual property. A potent force of division if ever there was one.
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#33 Jan 09 2015 at 1:19 PM Rating: Good
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If you could magic religion away the world would be a safer place.
You'd have to magic away people for that.
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#34 Jan 09 2015 at 1:32 PM Rating: Good
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Maybe that's what we'd war about instead, intellectual property. A potent force of division if ever there was one.


As long as we could go to war, I think people would be ok. The problem with these kinds of terrorist attacks is that french people don't know where to target their retribution. So it's, you know, mosques and kebab shops. And in time, Marine.
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#35 Jan 09 2015 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
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She's been on it pretty hard already, though I appreciate this is merely the warm up phase. I just hope the FN is better at identifying mosques than UKIP.

The Louvre has a dome, right?
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#36 Jan 09 2015 at 1:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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She's been on it pretty hard already, though I appreciate this is merely the warm up phase. I just hope the FN is better at identifying mosques than UKIP.

The Louvre has a dome, right?


And a pyramid.

It's f*cked.


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She's been on it pretty hard already,

That's what I said! Try the veal.

Couldn't she just have a grape throwing fight with Segolene or something? Seems like a better way to address this.
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What is it with these guys and cartoons?
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You've come to the wrong place if you aren't prepared to accept derails and side tangents.

Also, Smash is right, you're wrong. People are cnuts and will find any ralling point. Religion is just convenient. And the reason the US doesn't have these massacres is because of a strong police and military force. You have a hard time building up the required weapons/resources when the government can sweep in and confiscate the items.


No, I didn't. No he is not, no I am not not. Some people are. Not it is not. And you are wrong. Phew. That was easy. If only I could win argument by saying you are wrong in declarative terms. There would be peace on earth for shu.. wait.. is it not what religion does? Declaratively state that you are wrong?

Now in all seriousness, I don't like tangents that do not immediately contribute to the point I am trying to make ( keyword being trying ) and yours certainly did not help me. So yeah, you are wrong. Totally.
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Interesting point, I definitely disagree about about religion being blameless here. I doubt removing religion, not just Islam - all religion, from our society would not have far reaching consequences. I am not insane enough to state it would eliminate violence, because, as you already stated it is about a question of a much more deeper conflict ( us vs them ), but saying that any other -ism would just fill the void ( because people are basically retards ) is about as defeatist as it gets. What I am saying that you are arguing for the status quo.


Not retards, just humans. People aren't rational actors, pretending they are and offering solutions that would work for rational actors is pointless and ineffective. You can't educate people into rationality. Nexa and I, with easily 350 IQ points between us, argue for a week over who does more laundry. Do you think we don't understand how rationally useless that is? Do you think it's a lack of education? Humans are driven by brain chemistry that is entirely out of our control in most cases.

We want an ideology to make sense of an inherently meaningless existence. Religion provides that for people. Yes, it's make believe, but so is almost everything else. Ghandi fucked little girls and Jefferson took breaks from writing the Deceleration of Independence to rape his teenage slave. Noam Chomsky kills homeless guys for fun. Probably. Blaming religion for this is like blaming trench coats for Columbine.


I love how you bring your IQ into equation and then give an example that renders it meaningless. It is as if you, just like me, believed in balance in all things. I am so smart I can prove that black is white, but then die on the next zebra crossing. I know it is not the right word.. but it feels very zen.
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#42 Jan 09 2015 at 8:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Wow. Someone's ****** today.

Those two episodes fit the conversation perfectly. Just because they happen to be in disagreement with your, "religion is the root of all evil" position doesn't change that.


Swy. It is complicated. I am not used to things going well in my life, so I lash out at innocent people when it happens. It does not feel right, so I act out.

Disclaimer: I am not suggesting that people dying in France equals to things going well for me.

Edit: Or does it.

Edited, Jan 9th 2015 9:28pm by angrymnk
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I feel like I'm in Bizzaro world where posters are "defending" religion. In any case, people use religion as a scapegoat for their actions because of the social acceptance to not question one's religion. It's just like when people don't support an action (i.e, SSM) because of religion, but sees no problem with fornication.
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Why don't the terrorists acknowledge Fox as satire? Smiley: bah
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Edit: Or does it.

Have you been looking for work as a Parisian satirical cartoon creator?
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#46 Jan 12 2015 at 8:45 AM Rating: Good
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Why don't the terrorists acknowledge Fox as satire? Smiley: bah
Because satire requires a degree of credibility.
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In fairness, the front cover of tomorrow's Charlie Hebdo is pretty funny

Unrelated to the thread at all, but Nexa was scrolling through facebook the other day and there was a picture of you. I had no clue who you were but I said "that guy is the Frenchest looking person I've ever seen."

I assume you end every sentence with "huh huh huh huh huh"
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.

#49 Jan 12 2015 at 5:26 PM Rating: Good
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In fairness, the front cover of tomorrow's Charlie Hebdo is pretty funny

Unrelated to the thread at all, but Nexa was scrolling through facebook the other day and there was a picture of you. I had no clue who you were but I said "that guy is the Frenchest looking person I've ever seen."

I assume you end every sentence with "huh huh huh huh huh"


I end zem wiz a swish of my cape!

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Elinda wrote:
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Edit: Or does it.

Have you been looking for work as a Parisian satirical cartoon creator?


There is always a spot for a fool. And a spot just opened there.
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#51 Jan 13 2015 at 8:35 AM Rating: Good
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I end zem wiz a swish of my cape!

*swish*
Well congratulations, now I imagine you're Antoine from that old Sonic the Hedgehog Saturday morning cartoon.
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