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#4877 Mar 20 2018 at 9:00 PM Rating: Good
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Friar Bijou wrote:
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Think this one is a much better representation of what gun violence in American schools mostly entails. One person bringing a gun to school and targeting someone they knew, not the mass shootings that seem to capture the public attention more.


Yeah. This sort of shooting falls outside the scope of the mass type I was speaking about earlier.
To low a body count to matter, you fucking ghoul?

Only body is the gunman, right? At least, that's what was reported in the initial info I read while at work.
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#4878 Mar 20 2018 at 9:48 PM Rating: Decent
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And two injured. I guess that's an acceptable turnout?
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#4879 Mar 20 2018 at 11:34 PM Rating: Good
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17% of people think that interracial marriage is morally corrupt, apparently.

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#4880 Mar 21 2018 at 5:32 AM Rating: Decent
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So, on a lighter note, the snow storms finally moved far enough West that instead of going to work, I'll be spending today playing FFXV on PC. It's the first game that I've bought that actually pushes a 1080ti. Not that it looks that great, just poorly optimized.
#4881 Mar 21 2018 at 7:38 AM Rating: Good
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And two injured. I guess that's an acceptable turnout?
Anything fifty and above is when we actually have to say something instead of the standard moment of forced silence since it's "too soon" to talk about it.
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There's probably a lot of overlap with the Flat Earthers and vegans.

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#4882 Mar 21 2018 at 8:08 AM Rating: Good
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Debalic wrote:
And two injured. I guess that's an acceptable turnout?

Usually only the dead are tallied as part of the Body Count. So I think the gunman being the only body to count is a good thing.
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#4883 Mar 21 2018 at 8:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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The guy sending bombs via FedEx was identified and committed suicide (it appears) via blowing himself up as police moved in on him.

I'm sure the Russian Twitter Bots are already claiming that he was a life-long Democratic socialist Bernie Bro or something.
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#4884 Mar 21 2018 at 9:24 AM Rating: Decent
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TirithRR wrote:
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And two injured. I guess that's an acceptable turnout?

Usually only the dead are tallied as part of the Body Count. So I think the gunman being the only body to count is a good thing.

I don't consider any part of kids getting shot in school a good thing.
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#4885 Mar 21 2018 at 9:54 AM Rating: Good
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Everyone has been using the term gunman, but shouldn't it be gun child?
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#4886 Mar 21 2018 at 10:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm sure the Russian Twitter Bots are already claiming that he was a life-long Democratic socialist Bernie Bro or something.


Think it's mostly a "good job law enforcement" thing. It ties in well with the talking about the officer that shot the school-shooter yesterday and fills out that narrative nicely.

Law enforcement is awesome, so long as you're not FBI it seems. Smiley: rolleyes

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#4887 Mar 21 2018 at 11:40 AM Rating: Good
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someproteinguy wrote:
Think it's mostly a "good job law enforcement" thing.
Not very good contrast for the law enforcement teacher that injured his student during a safety lesson, though.
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#4888 Mar 21 2018 at 11:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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Oh you know, he was only volunteer law enforcement, so that totally doesn't count. Volunteer teachers, yes, but not volunteer law enforcement.
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#4889 Mar 21 2018 at 12:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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In other news, my older son got zapped with a Taser yesterday.

He did it as part of the Citizen's Police Academy though and not because he was rushing people with a broken bottle or anything.
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#4890 Mar 21 2018 at 12:29 PM Rating: Good
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Congratulate him, he deserves it. I've been shocked twice, frozen muscles isn't my idea of fun. OC and gas mask training is a lot more fun in my opinion, if only because of how great it is at clearing your sinuses. Also fun to watch other people, so you should convince him to do that next. Smiley: thumbsup
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#4891 Mar 23 2018 at 7:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Friar Bijou wrote:
gbaji wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
Think this one is a much better representation of what gun violence in American schools mostly entails. One person bringing a gun to school and targeting someone they knew, not the mass shootings that seem to capture the public attention more.


Yeah. This sort of shooting falls outside the scope of the mass type I was speaking about earlier.
To low a body count to matter, you fucking ghoul?


No:

gbaji, earlier in this thread wrote:
I've written at length about how the psychology of the spree shooter is different than the guy who kills his neighbor in an argument, or his wife, or girlfriend, or a rival gang member, or gets into a gun fight with police while committing some other crime. These are completely different than the guy who plots and plans and schemes to go to a location with a large number of people and randomly shoot them. Those other types of shootings are targeted, or related to some other activity. The spree shooter is specifically about power and control. He had no agenda. He's not angry at this person or that person. He's not settling a grudge. He's not trying to steal something, nor trying to get away after stealing something.

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I'm simply suggesting that we maximize that uncertainty, and thus minimize the number of shootings. Again, it costs us nothing. It doesn't have any impact or effect on any other aspect of gun crime being talked about. So why not do this? Sure, it won't prevent some guy with PTSD from having paranoid thoughts and turning on two guys he's out at a shooting range with. And it wont prevent some gang banger from doing a drive by in the opposing gang's turf. And it wont prevent someone from committing armed robbery. And it wont prevent some one from committing road rage with a gun. And it wont prevent someone from deciding to kill his girlfriend or wife, or someone else he's angry at.

Those are all other issues. Issues we can talk about. But removing the gun free zones from schools wont increase the rates at which those occur either. So why not do this?



It's out of scope because it's one of the cases I specifically stated would not be affected in any way by the potential of an unknown number of armed persons in the vicinity. Let's recall that my argument has been exclusively about the concept of eliminating the gun free zones regulations as a method of reducing the rates of spree style shootings (specifically in schools).

Did you take special classes in school on "how to completely miss the point"?
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#4892 Mar 23 2018 at 8:06 PM Rating: Decent
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And two injured. I guess that's an acceptable turnout?

Usually only the dead are tallied as part of the Body Count. So I think the gunman being the only body to count is a good thing.

I don't consider any part of kids getting shot in school a good thing.


So if they'd been shot somewhere else, it would have been fine?
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#4893 Mar 23 2018 at 8:26 PM Rating: Decent
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#4894 Mar 23 2018 at 8:42 PM Rating: Decent
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In other news, my older son got zapped with a Taser yesterday.

He did it as part of the Citizen's Police Academy though and not because he was rushing people with a broken bottle or anything.


Nice. I did it once as part of a shot of tequila you could pay for in a dive bar several blocks off Revolucion in TJ. There was an old school barber's chair involved too, IIRC.
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#4895 Mar 23 2018 at 8:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey! People parse the heck out of my posts, so this seems only fair. Smiley: tongue
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#4896 Mar 23 2018 at 8:56 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
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Hey! People parse the heck out of my posts, so this seems only fair. Smiley: tongue

Yes, but mine are witty one-liners, that's not much effort to parse.
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#4897 Mar 24 2018 at 12:25 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Let's recall that my argument has been exclusively about the concept of eliminating the gun free zones regulations as a method of reducing the rates of spree style shootings (specifically in schools).
In this entire thread that is the only argument you made about guns vis-a-vis spree shootings? Do you reaaaaaly want to claim that as a fact?
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ETA: A very moving 11-year old girls speech.
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#4899 Mar 25 2018 at 9:33 PM Rating: Good
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#4900 Mar 26 2018 at 9:48 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Hey! People parse the heck out of my posts, so this seems only fair. Smiley: tongue
You're the one telling us that two shot kids is reasonable.
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#4901 Mar 26 2018 at 7:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Friar Bijou wrote:
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Let's recall that my argument has been exclusively about the concept of eliminating the gun free zones regulations as a method of reducing the rates of spree style shootings (specifically in schools).
In this entire thread that is the only argument you made about guns vis-a-vis spree shootings? Do you reaaaaaly want to claim that as a fact?


I'm not going to let you frame the words of my own position for me. I've been very clear about which arguments I've made for which issues of the larger gun control issue. Let's not play word games, ok?

This is a long freaking thread. I can't remember all the possible posts I've made within it. However, specifically with regard to spree style shootings at schools, I've been consistent with my argument regarding removal of the gun free zones restrictions as a means to reduce the rates at which those kinds of shootings occur.

And yeah. This means that a school shooting which is *not* a spree style shooting (like say one where a kid shows up with a gun to shoot his ex) doesn't fall under that argument. Nor does a counter like "OMG! Your suggestion wouldn't have worked here" function as a sufficient counter to my argument.

I'm honestly not sure what point you're trying to make here. So if there may have been other discussions of other issues, with other arguments made, that somehow in any way invalidates the argument I'm making regarding one specific discussion of one specific issue? That doesn't make any sense.
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