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#1802 Sep 13 2015 at 6:36 PM Rating: Default
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Normally so, but with candidates like Ben Carson, Carla Fiorina, Ted Cruz, etc. that are still in the race, I expected Perry to have lasted longer than them.
#1804 Sep 13 2015 at 7:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Perry's a hot mess. I'm surprised he held out as long as he did.
Considering Huckabee and Trump are still putting along to satisfy the hot mess quota.
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Walker's latest poll numbers are 2%. His plan to revitalize his campaign is to propose to outlaw federal labor unions.
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#1807 Sep 14 2015 at 8:12 AM Rating: Good
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Walker's latest poll numbers are 2%. His plan to revitalize his campaign is to propose to outlaw federal labor unions.
It'd probably work. He could shoot up as high as 5, maybe 10% in the Republican party with that kind of promise. Probably preclude him from the nomination, but it'd be better than 2%.

All numbers in this post are pulled out of my *** based on a guess to illustrate what I suspect will happen. Anyone taking my numbers seriously should really reexamine their lives.
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Walker's latest poll numbers are 2%. HisThe Koch brothers' plan to revitalize his campaign is to propose to outlaw federal labor unions.


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#1809 Sep 14 2015 at 10:56 AM Rating: Good
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So Todd Courser of Michigan "resigns," and Cindy Gamrat is expelled after their family values / anti-gay marriage platforms are found to be a little shaky. While not a particularly interesting bit of news, or even the use of public funds to cover it up, the fact that Courser tried to distract from the affair by spreading rumors about himself and male prostitutes is pretty damn funny.

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#1810 Sep 14 2015 at 11:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Samira wrote:
Perry's a hot mess. I'm surprised he held out as long as he did.
Considering Huckabee and Trump are still putting along to satisfy the hot mess quota.


And Trump is telling people what they want to hear, and Cruz is irrelevant.

Cruz has a reputation for being very difficult to work with, not too surprising. Trump is a narcissist but I imagine he pays well.

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Cruz is... not much liked by many of his GOP peers. Which is sort of a liability when trying to run for president in a crowded field.
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Overall, not being liked seems to be the proper strategy to keep your name in the news.
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#1813 Sep 14 2015 at 1:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Maybe not so much when your particular brand of crazy causes more work for your allies than you're worth.
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#1814 Sep 14 2015 at 1:27 PM Rating: Good
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Given the appalling revelations surrounding Planned Parenthood, we cannot in good moral conscience vote to send taxpayer money to this organization while still fulfilling our duty to represent our constituents,
If that were believable then we should be allowed to withhold from paying our representatives considering just how immoral of a track record they tend to have.

I know, a morality clause in all contracts. Any party member does anything immoral, your whole party loses 5% of their pay. Cumulative, so the more immorality, the more is taken from their paychecks. That'll fix things pretty quickly.

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#1815 Sep 14 2015 at 7:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Not so much crazy though. Opposition to federal funding of abortion is pretty strong (consistently gets majority support, at least in polls that clearly ask that question). What's crazy is that despite the GOP having majority support on the issue, the Dems can safely create a "drop the issue or risk shutdown" conflict over this, knowing that a friendly media will spin it in their favor. This article is just one in a long line showing that GOP leadership is aware of this fact, and thus know that they have to do what they can to avoid such conflicts.

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#1816 Sep 14 2015 at 8:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Federal funding for abortions has nothing to do with Planned Parenthood, though, because Planned Parenthood receives no Federal funding for abortions. I know you have this narrative in your head that says they must, because evil; but that does not make it so.

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But... but... what if they buy a light bulb for an abortion clinic??!?! We have no evidence that they did but WE DON'T KNOW!!!
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#1818 Sep 14 2015 at 8:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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But... but... what if they buy a light bulb for an abortion clinic??!?! We have no evidence that they did but WE DON'T KNOW!!!


In spite of accounting and oversight bordering on OCD, I'm sure they managed to slip a Jackson to an abortion provider somehow. Maybe from some of those sweet, sweet tissue sales.
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#1819 Sep 14 2015 at 10:24 PM Rating: Default
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Federal funding for abortions has nothing to do with Planned Parenthood, though, because Planned Parenthood receives no Federal funding for abortions. I know you have this narrative in your head that says they must, because evil; but that does not make it so.


The proposed bill only defunds Planned Parenthood for one year, and only if it continues to perform abortions. It could, if it choose, do exactly what many (including myself) have argued it should do, and actually break their business into two wholly separate financial organizations, one that performs abortions, and another that provides other health services. That way, the issue of fungibility goes away. Secondly, the issue of donation money for abortion vs other health services also goes away. Those who want to support a woman's right to abort, can proudly do so by donating to the new "Planned Non-Parenthood" (name suggestion, mine), without having to conceal their righteous support behind the facade of "supporting women's health". And, shockingly, lots of people who might want to donate money to an organization that actually helps women but don't want their money possibly being used to fund abortions might start donating to Planned Parenthood with a clean conscience. It's a good bet that a lot more money would flow into the "women's health" part of the current operation if this change were made.

One might ask why they haven't done this. I mean, we require this of religious organizations that minister, if they want their charitable operations to qualify for government funding, but we don't require this of an abortion provider? That seems like a really odd set of rules, don't you agree?

Um... More to the point, it's silly all the way around. Both sides are being silly. The portion of the GOP who want to push for this incredibly toothless protest amendment (one year?), and the president for threatening to veto an entire budget over such a minor thing. Of course, as predicted, it's only the GOP side that is being called unreasonable on this one. Given the likely criminal behavior engaged in by PP (although I'm sure they'll skate out of that because they're like a political icon of the left), it should be reasonable to defund them, even if just as a penalty for their actions. You do get that your organization being funded by the government isn't a right, right? It's something you should earn, and it should be given after careful consideration of the best use of public funds. That clearly is not what's going on here.

Drop the "us vs them" mentality and just look at it objectively. If this were any other organization receiving federal funding who engaged in activities remotely like the selling of human body parts, would defunding them even require legislation? Or would they just be removed from the funding roles for next year automatically, pending review of their status? It would be the latter, right? The fact is that somewhere along the line PP has become this huge protected thing for the left. As a result Obama is failing to do something which would be nearly automatic for any other funded organization (defund while under investigation). This isn't even about abortion anymore. It's about the silly levels to which the left circles their wagons around certain institutions, no matter how poorly they behave.

It should not even be left to a small group of anti-abortion folks to push for this, thus casting this into a "for/against" mode on the issue of abortion itself. Obama should have ordered funding ceased immediately, as he would for any other less politically connected organization. Instead, he condemned the people who blew the whistle on PPs actions, and is actively threatening to veto any bill containing language doing precisely what he should have done himself, but was too cowardly and beholden to the nutty left to do. So, sadly, it's up to the GOP (once again) to try to find a way to compromise on this. And, once again, no matter what they do, they'll still be blamed as the unreasonable party.

Who's being unreasonable? Looks like it's Obama to me. I'm honestly curious at this point what crime PP would have to commit for any action to ever be taken against them not to be attacked by the left as some kind of evil partisan anti-women move by the right. Isn't it dangerous to adopt this kind of protective approach for an organization? All it does is ensure that they will engage in ever worsening behavior. We're teaching them that they can get away with these things. They'll just do more and more of them. Protect the actions, not the people doing them. At this point, it's not about women's health, or even abortion. Its' about protecting PP. Period. Massive amount of associative transference going on here. And that's a really bad thing (tm).
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Planned Parenthood hasn't committed any crimes. If you feel that they have, the burden is on you to prove it prior to using that as an excuse to cut funding.
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Planned Parenthood hasn't committed any crimes. If you feel that they have, the burden is on you to prove it prior to using that as an excuse to cut funding.


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I just read that screed from gbaji and apparently he forgot that the "NO ABORTION" crowd is also the "NO CONTRACEPTIVE" crowd, making the separation of "abortion clinic" PP sector inseparable from the "not abortion clinic" PP sector.

But then, he doesn't get his news from anywhere, amirite?
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A huge majority wants Congress to keep the government open, regardless of whether that means providing funding to Planned Parenthood, according to a CNN/ORC poll released Monday.

The poll finds that 71 percent of adults say it is more important for Congress to approve a spending bill to keep the government open, compared to 22 percent who say it is more important to eliminate all federal funds for Planned Parenthood.

The poll comes as Republicans grapple with how to avoid a shutdown. GOP leaders in the House are coming under heavy pressure from conservatives to block funding for Planned Parenthood. Congress must pass a funding bill by Oct. 1.

The percentage looking to avoid a shutdown is somewhat larger than it was in September 2013, ahead of a shutdown fight over ObamaCare. That year, a CNN/ORC poll found 60 percent prioritized avoiding a shutdown, while 31 percent wanted to cut off ObamaCare funds more. The government still ended up shutting down for 16 days that year.

The poll Monday shows that Republicans slightly prioritize avoiding a shutdown over defunding Planned Parenthood, by a margin of 48 percent to 44 percent.

Men and women have largely similar views. Men prioritize avoiding a shutdown by a margin of 70 percent to 21 percent, while women do by 71 percent to 24 percent.

Only the GOP will be seen as unreasonable because only the GOP prioritizes cutting PP funding over passing a spending bill. Well, more accurately, a subsection of the GOP but one large enough to wield power over the whole.

A shutdown will be fairly disastrous for the GOP's message following the 2014 midterms that now they could govern and, as the majority party in both chambers, would start getting things done in Congress. In fact, McConnell and Boehner were promising no more shutdowns from the start and, if one happens, it will be solely the fault of their own party. If the GOP can't even manage the most basic requirements of governance as the majority, what's the argument for keeping them in power?

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Government shut down! Except for parks, the military, Congress, schools, everything ...
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Stop funding the government but, if you close anything, it'll be playing politics!
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