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#27 Mar 31 2015 at 9:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Gbaji you're not helping your argument by continually conflating a scenario where you ask for something someone doesn't sell with choosing not to sell something they do have to someone they don't agree with. Everything else aside, that analogy just doesn't work.

Also the issue isn't forcing a cake decorator to make a specific decoration, it's the ability to refuse to sell a cake at all. The issue isn't that a cake store would be asked to make a cake of two guys ******* and they refused, the issue is that a cake store won't sell them a cake at all.
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#28 Mar 31 2015 at 9:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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The simple solution is to require "Christian"* owned bakeries businesses to identify themselves as such.

I suggest a picture of Michelle Bachman on the door.



*In quotes because a real Christian wouldn't treat gays different than anyone else.

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What if I go into a florist and they refuse to sell me motor oil? That's just like a Jewish deli not making me a ham sandwich, right? I call discrimination! Smiley: mad

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To everyone saying that the law allows business to discriminate against Christians, Muslims, etc: The federal civil rights act prohibits that already. And federal law trumps local laws. People have the right to "full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin." The key is that only those explicit classes are protected. That's why this law seems to solely target homosexuals...LGBT hasn't been given the same protected status in an amendment or major federal law.

Right. And that's why Pence is being disingenuous when he tries to say "But Illinois has the same law!" Illinois also has a law extending protection to homosexuals so they're a protected class within the state. Indiana gives them no such protection.
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#30 Apr 01 2015 at 4:27 AM Rating: Good
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If I choose to sell only flavors x, y, and z in my icecream parlor, it's technically discrimination against all other flavors. So if you present some statistics that show that one legged midgets prefer one of the missing flavors disproportionately to the rest of the population and thus not carrying that flavor represents discrimination against one legged midgets, does that mean I must sell that flavor? That's pretty ridiculous.
Agreed, that is a pretty ridiculous example.
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#31 Apr 01 2015 at 6:35 AM Rating: Default
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Gbaji wrote:

If they're asking for a cake with two little groom figures on top, they are.
Of course, but the bakers do not have to place the grooms on the cake. This debate isn't about whether they use two grooms, but making and selling the cake.

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A deli owned by a Jewish family doesn't.
That's what I just said. So we agree. Bakeries sell cakes. Christian bakeries sell cakes. A jewish deli doesn't sell ham. Your scenario would only be comparable if the Jewish deli sold ham but chose not to sell ham to a group of people.
#32 Apr 01 2015 at 6:39 AM Rating: Good
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Correct me if I'm wrong, and I hate to interrupt a random gbaji argument, but don't the gays work for the queen now? Wouldn't they be buttprivateers?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, and I hate to interrupt a random gbaji argument, but don't the gays work for the queen now? Wouldn't they be buttprivateers?


Only if they have a letter of marque.
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Gbaji is the guy who argued that if you pick an apple out of a fruit bowl instead of an orange it's "discrimination" so he's probably not the sharpest mind to handle this.

I mean, it's technically true but it's true in the same context-inappropriate definition way as "My dictionary says a theory is a guess so we're only guessing about the theory of gravity!"
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Correct me if I'm wrong, and I hate to interrupt a random gbaji argument, but don't the gays work for the queen now? Wouldn't they be buttprivateers?
Only if they have a letter of marque.
You can find it on the small of their backs.
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The same kind of idiot who goes to a christian owned bakery and demands that they make a wedding cake for their same *** wedding. Was this confusing to you?



How do they know it's a Christian owned bakery? Or that the particular flavor of Christianity practiced by the owners demands a particular attitude about homosexuality? I know a lot of Christians who are not bothered by homosexuality - certainly not to the extent that they'd refuse to do business with them.

Was there a sign in the window? Was the bakery called "Fundamentalist Funnel Cakes"?

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#37 Apr 01 2015 at 7:53 AM Rating: Good
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Apparently in San Diego Christian owned businesses advertise their religious practices but Jewish Delis don't.
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Trickybeck wrote:
To everyone saying that the law allows business to discriminate against Christians, Muslims, etc: The federal civil rights act prohibits that already. And federal law trumps local laws. People have the right to "full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin." The key is that only those explicit classes are protected. That's why this law seems to solely target homosexuals...LGBT hasn't been given the same protected status in an amendment or major federal law.

Right. And that's why Pence is being disingenuous when he tries to say "But Illinois has the same law!" Illinois also has a law extending protection to homosexuals so they're a protected class within the state. Indiana gives them no such protection.
And Stephanopoulos asked Pence in the interview this very question when Pence used the "Clinton did it in the 90s, we're just doing the same thing" argument - (paraphrasing) but LGBT aren't a protected class under Illinois law, will you support a change to make LGBT a protected class? Of course, not surprisingly, Pence answered "no, that's not on my agenda."

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The governor of Arkansas will not sign the Religious Freedom bill, under pressure from major businesses in the state (inc. Walmart) and seeing the mess in Indiana. He has sent it back to the state legislature to revise it to more closely copy the federal law.

Meanwhile, the governor in Kentucky (who is a Democrat) says that Kentucky's law prohibiting same sex marriage isn't discriminatory because it doesn't allow heterosexual couple to marry same sex partners either.
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#40 Apr 01 2015 at 1:33 PM Rating: Good
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That's a level of stupid that gets you to go into a Jewish Deli and order a ham sandwich.
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I wasn't aware the homos wanted their cake to say "I like dick in the ass" instead of just a cake.


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Oh come on. Why nuke that? It was like... 10% of the forum activity.

Edited, Apr 1st 2015 8:41pm by TirithRR
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Man, I missed some lame-class trolling it seems.
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Something about a gay bakery owner being forced to make a cake that says "all ***gots are going to hell."

Edited, Apr 1st 2015 8:41pm by TirithRR
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Someone should totally try that. The Right looks dumb enough right now but nothing they can't make worse with a little effort.
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#47 Apr 01 2015 at 4:56 PM Rating: Default
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So, I heard the ham/Jewish argument on the Kelly File on Fox News today (recorded from Monday). Even if you support the law, you should be able to understand how asking for a ham sandwich in a Jewish Deli isn't comparable.
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I dunno... the Venn diagram intersection between "supports law" and "thinks that's an apt analogy" might be depressingly large,
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Jophiel wrote:
Meanwhile, the governor in Kentucky (who is a Democrat) says that Kentucky's law prohibiting same sex marriage isn't discriminatory because it doesn't allow heterosexual couple to marry same sex partners either.


My favorite analogy right now is, "we don't allow Baptist churches, but it's not discrimination, cause everyone can go to the Catholic church."
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Even more apt would be "We don't allow Baptists to build Baptist churches but it's okay because we don't allow Catholics to build Baptist churches either".
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Jophiel wrote:

Meanwhile, the governor in Kentucky (who is a Democrat) says that Kentucky's law prohibiting same sex marriage isn't discriminatory because it doesn't allow heterosexual couple to marry same sex partners either.
He's doing what most people do, conflate the concept of equality with fairness. Equality isn't always fair. The traditional marriage laws are equal for the s3xes, but they are unfair for people who would want to marry someone of the same s3x.
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