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#1 Sep 11 2015 at 5:04 PM Rating: Decent
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says Comey. We can't even engage in rational discussion, he bemoans. I mean, he did basically force a fair amount of populace to take his words at less than face value, but clearly the deep cynicism is unwarranted. Cry mich ein river.

It really made my day.



Edited, Sep 11th 2015 7:40pm by angrymnk
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#2 Sep 14 2015 at 7:22 PM Rating: Decent
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angrymnk wrote:
says Comey. We can't even engage in rational discussion, he bemoans. I mean, he did basically force a fair amount of populace to take his words at less than face value, but clearly the deep cynicism is unwarranted. Cry mich ein river.

It really made my day.


Which kinda proves his point, doesn't it?
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#3 Sep 14 2015 at 9:05 PM Rating: Good
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says Comey. We can't even engage in rational discussion, he bemoans. I mean, he did basically force a fair amount of populace to take his words at less than face value, but clearly the deep cynicism is unwarranted. Cry mich ein river.

It really made my day.


Which kinda proves his point, doesn't it?


His point being that he pis,sed in a the koolaid and now is sad that noone wants to drink it?

thank you ga,y google

Edited, Sep 14th 2015 11:07pm by Timelordwho
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Timelordwho wrote:
gbaji wrote:
angrymnk wrote:
says Comey. We can't even engage in rational discussion, he bemoans. I mean, he did basically force a fair amount of populace to take his words at less than face value, but clearly the deep cynicism is unwarranted. Cry mich ein river.

It really made my day.


Which kinda proves his point, doesn't it?


His point being that he pis,sed in a the koolaid and now is sad that noone wants to drink it?


His point that people are too cynical and react emotionally to certain topics without engaging their brains. To which angrymnk responded with an incredibly cynical (and sarcastic) response, that didn't engage any sort of rational portion of the brain, but relied instead of appealing to people's emotional response to the issue at hand. He dismissed the statement, not because of the statement itself, but because of who it came from. So... Cynicism. Also... Irony (unintended, but still irony).

Oh. Unless it was intentional. In which case it's great humor on angrymnk's part. Can't discount that possibility.

Edited, Sep 14th 2015 8:29pm by gbaji
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#6 Sep 15 2015 at 5:53 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
gbaji wrote:
angrymnk wrote:
says Comey. We can't even engage in rational discussion, he bemoans. I mean, he did basically force a fair amount of populace to take his words at less than face value, but clearly the deep cynicism is unwarranted. Cry mich ein river.

It really made my day.


Which kinda proves his point, doesn't it?


His point being that he pis,sed in a the koolaid and now is sad that noone wants to drink it?


His point that people are too cynical and react emotionally to certain topics without engaging their brains. To which angrymnk responded with an incredibly cynical (and sarcastic) response, that didn't engage any sort of rational portion of the brain, but relied instead of appealing to people's emotional response to the issue at hand. He dismissed the statement, not because of the statement itself, but because of who it came from. So... Cynicism. Also... Irony (unintended, but still irony).

Oh. Unless it was intentional. In which case it's great humor on angrymnk's part. Can't discount that possibility.

Edited, Sep 14th 2015 8:29pm by gbaji


No, he said this in response to the response to his bad idea getting shot down at a tech conference. It's not that his ideas are generally good ideas, but people are worried that they will be implemented badly by the state, but that they are bad ideas that also carry an almost certainty to becoming security fiascos.
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He dismissed the statement, not because of the statement itself, but because of who it came from.
Sounds "vaguely" familiar.
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Also, does anyone find it bizzare that Gbaji has recently become a herald of State competence?
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gbaji wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
gbaji wrote:
angrymnk wrote:
says Comey. We can't even engage in rational discussion, he bemoans. I mean, he did basically force a fair amount of populace to take his words at less than face value, but clearly the deep cynicism is unwarranted. Cry mich ein river.

It really made my day.


Which kinda proves his point, doesn't it?


His point being that he pis,sed in a the koolaid and now is sad that noone wants to drink it?


His point that people are too cynical and react emotionally to certain topics without engaging their brains. To which angrymnk responded with an incredibly cynical (and sarcastic) response, that didn't engage any sort of rational portion of the brain, but relied instead of appealing to people's emotional response to the issue at hand. He dismissed the statement, not because of the statement itself, but because of who it came from. So... Cynicism. Also... Irony (unintended, but still irony).

Oh. Unless it was intentional. In which case it's great humor on angrymnk's part. Can't discount that possibility.

Edited, Sep 14th 2015 8:29pm by gbaji


I am sorry. You are wrong. I dismissed the statement, because of the statement itself ( the fact that it came from Comey was an added bonus ) and the problems related to it. If it came from Clapper, or Alexander.. ****, if this **** came from Wyden, I would react in a similar fashion.
That said, the statement was dismissed, because it is nonsensical. It is difficult to have a rational conversation when a guy who is supposed to be the top badguy catcher argue for undermining the encryption with mandatory backdoor ( the currently try to sell it as: but the master key will be split! ). If you are not sure, why it is a bad idea, allow me to simply say that, eventually, it will be found.
Comey, and his colleagues from the various related three letter agencies, did not make the situation better by, among other things, lying about the scope of their activities ( Clapper ), perjury ( or as we call it today, parallel construction ) , or looking for a way to blackmail politicians ( linky pinky.
And Comey has the audacity to whine about the environment he helped create? He should be happy people are cynical and not livid.

I think when you say rational you want me to simply ignore all the crap they previously try to say or do. No dice. Interwebz remembers. ANd thus far they have not done much to earn my trust.

Then again, Bush wants me to leave them alone. So what do I know?
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#11 Sep 16 2015 at 7:27 PM Rating: Decent
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angrymnk wrote:
gbaji wrote:
His point that people are too cynical and react emotionally to certain topics without engaging their brains.


I am sorry. You are wrong.


I'm wrong? I don't think so. I think that's precisely what he was talking about. That US intelligence organizations are subject to automatic negative reaction to any action they attempt, not based on a rational analysis of whatever it is they're proposing at the moment, but because of who they are, and association with past actions (and perceptions of past actions).

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That said, the statement was dismissed, because it is nonsensical. It is difficult to have a rational conversation when a guy who is supposed to be the top badguy catcher argue for undermining the encryption with mandatory backdoor ( the currently try to sell it as: but the master key will be split! ). If you are not sure, why it is a bad idea, allow me to simply say that, eventually, it will be found.


Then say "this is a bad idea, and here's why". Instead you berated him for crying about not being trusted because... wait for it... of past actions. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with saying "I don't trust you because you did something I disliked in the past, so I'm going to take whatever you're proposing now with a massive grain of salt'. However, what you are doing when you do that is cynicism. You are free to believe that the cynicism he and others in his profession face is reasonable, but you should not deny that they are, in fact, faced with that problem.

That's all I was saying.

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And Comey has the audacity to whine about the environment he helped create? He should be happy people are cynical and not livid.


I didn't see his comments so much as whiny as recognizing that a big problem they face is cynicism about any action they propose. There are a lot of people who just assume that anything they do is aimed at spying on US citizens. Whether they are right or not isn't the point.

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I think when you say rational you want me to simply ignore all the crap they previously try to say or do. No dice. Interwebz remembers. ANd thus far they have not done much to earn my trust.


I'm not doing that at all. I'm just pointing out the irony of you responding to him with precisely the cynicism he was talking about. Again, I'm not saying it's not fair cynicism. I just found it funny.

If US intelligence/security agencies had a perfect track record of avoiding infringing people's rights whilst doing their work, would you react to a proposed security measure from them with the same negativity? Probably not, right? You even mention above that is about past actions influencing your present perception. That's the point though. You're judging him (his whole industry), not just on what they're doing now, but what they have done in the past. And yes, that involves a bit of cynicism on your part (and that of others). Again, I'm not saying this is wrong. Just saying that he's correct that this is a problem. Because that same cynicism affects them even when proposing things that are quite reasonable as well as when they propose things that are not.
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#12 Sep 16 2015 at 7:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm not doing that at all. I'm just pointing out the irony of you responding to him with precisely the cynicism he was talking about. Again, I'm not saying it's not fair cynicism. I just found it funny.


Oh, carry on then. I see no reason to respond in any other way.
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