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#527 Mar 04 2016 at 12:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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But in this case, Trump isn't going to win the popular vote.

Well, he'll likely win a plurality of the popular vote which will still be more of a mandate towards the nomination than anyone else can claim.

Lent makes me say "Hot diggity, the corner market has shrimp baskets today!" which is pretty much as the Church intended.
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Spring for some good sushi.

I like Filet-O-Fish sandwiches but, oddly, only during Lent. I never order them the rest of the year even if they're available. The fish sandwiches at Arby's are pretty decent as well.
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#529 Mar 04 2016 at 12:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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P.S. I didn't say that I don't believe in statistics, but I'm biased against statistics because I'm smart enough not to take information at face value without seeing the bigger picture.
To be fair to this opinion, many times statistics are incorrectly applied and used to mislead people or prop otherwise terrible ideas. Tests being done without their necessary assumptions being met are a common theme is most areas of science.
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#530 Mar 04 2016 at 12:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Spring for some good sushi.

I like Filet-O-Fish sandwiches but, oddly, only during Lent. I never order them the rest of the year even if they're available. The fish sandwiches at Arby's are pretty decent as well.
Haven't had Filet-O-Fish in years, but my 14 year old self loved them. Really should order one again just for fun. Not like the kids aren't screaming for McNuggets every other day anyway. Smiley: rolleyes
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#531 Mar 04 2016 at 12:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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hmm, I have some nice white fish, I'm going to make my own fish fillet. This sounds delicious.
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Trump is backing out of CPAC to go campaign in Kansas and Florida. Rubio already said he wasn't doing CPAC this year. No love for real conservatives Smiley: frown

Trump is still up by 20+ in Florida and working at banking early ballots. That'll be a real problem for Rubio (and the #AgainstTrump people) since even if Trump manages to lose ground in the next ten days, he'll still have a big vote margin banked.

Trump is killin' it in Michigan polling. Lots of blue collar Rust Belt Republicans who are keen on his "bring back manufacturing and punish Mexico/China" rhetoric plus who believe that they are entitled to the Social Security & Medicare benefits they worked for and feel that Trump won't slash those but the other candidates will.

Polling continues to show problems for GOP senators in blue/swing states due to their refusal to fill the SCotUS seat. 60-40 (on average) saying that they should fill the seat this term and most saying that refusal to fill the seat will impact their decision in November.

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#533 Mar 04 2016 at 12:47 PM Rating: Good
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Trump is still up by 20+

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Jophiel wrote:
Spring for some good sushi.

I like Filet-O-Fish sandwiches but, oddly, only during Lent. I never order them the rest of the year even if they're available. The fish sandwiches at Arby's are pretty decent as well.

I always feel weird going down to the sushi place by myself. Also, I live in New Mexico. The best we have is "decent". Also, I considered going to Long John Silver's, but the best thing there is the chicken. Well, also the hushpuppies, but those aren't a meal.

What I need to do is get off my lazy *** and make a batch of my mom's potato salad one Friday. I could eat that stuff for every meal. Even if it is a Friday during Lent and there's no beef or chicken in it.
#535 Mar 04 2016 at 2:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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At the very least you have to figure a President Trump would make the world a more exciting place. This all would be quite amusing to watch if I didn't have to live here.
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#536 Mar 04 2016 at 2:43 PM Rating: Good
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An exploding vehicle is pretty exciting in movies, but not so much when you're actually in the car.
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An exploding vehicle is pretty exciting in movies, but not so much when you're actually in the car.

Exciting? Yes. Entertaining...not so much.
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Being in an exploding car strikes me as a lot of excitement packed into a very short window of time, followed by a sudden irreversible drop-off in excitement level at the end. Either way, it doesn't really seem to be the way people prefer to get their excitement, so the distinction probably isn't too important.
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#539 Mar 04 2016 at 4:36 PM Rating: Default
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How many people need to tell you that your writing skills are lacking before you'll objectively step back and re-evaluate your ability to consistently convey a coherent message through text?
When my only criticism is from this forum, while I excel in academia, I have concluded where the disconnect is at. I've consistently admitted that I suck at grammar; hence why I write here in the first place, but that has been used as a scapegoat for laziness and/or the incapability to understand. That's not my fault.
#540 Mar 04 2016 at 6:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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you're not studying English in academia...
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#541 Mar 04 2016 at 7:32 PM Rating: Default
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To be fair to this opinion, many times statistics are incorrectly applied and used to mislead people or prop otherwise terrible ideas. Tests being done without their necessary assumptions being met are a common theme is most areas of science.
That's the most obvious. More common is when people cherry pick actual facts to support their narrative. For example, the jobs report just came out. Every month, no matter how good the numbers are, conservatives will find the negative aspects of it. Even though there are over 200k jobs with a 4.9% unemployment, the narrative is the "slowest economic recovery since ...., wages are stagnant, etc." Point being, people can manipulate stats to prove a point, so you should be hesitant to take statistics at face value.

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you're not studying English in academia...
This isn't undergrad. In grad school, you are mostly graded on your ability to write.

I'm not denying any grammatical fault, just refuting the notion that my poor writing is the reason for confusion. Great example is when Jophiel asked for clarification on a recent post. It was specific. He was answered. We moved on. He did not respond and then posts later say "I didn't understand your incoherent gibberish".

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I'm hopeful Alma's not that obtuse.
He's more laconic.

That's a plus, right?
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Ha, Fox really is Trump Hunting.

They tried to hide it this time. "Similar to those we used against Cruz and Rubio in the last one..."


Yup. The debate he refused to attend, they used the same method of slides and videos against the other candidates. It looks like they're ganging up on Trump only because he's the one they didn't already do this to. Not sure I'm such a big fan of the moderators engaging that directly with the candidates themselves (it should be a debate between them, not the moderators). But it's the same format they used in their previous debate, so Trump can't really cry foul IMO.
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He's more laconic.

Thanks for the new word!

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He's more laconic.

Thanks for the new word!
Thanks for being able to laugh at yourself!


Really.Smiley: lol
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Not sure I'm such a big fan of the moderators engaging that directly with the candidates themselves (it should be a debate between them, not the moderators). But it's the same format they used in their previous debate, so Trump can't really cry foul IMO.

That's exactly why it was bad. It doesn't matter what they did at some other debate, that was then. In this debate, which is supposed to be a forum about the candidates and not Fox's hard-on to have Trump hand in late homework they feel they deserve, either you do the same to everyone on the stage or to no one. Doing it solely to Trump was horrible form.
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Are you saying that these admitted racists were concerned about the safety of the people that they are bigoted against?


Wait? So the cops actually said "we're racists and this is why we're stopping Blacks and Latinos more than Whites?". I'd love to get a cite for that one.

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Yeah. Because you made up the starting assumption. The reality is that there is higher police presence in neighborhoods with higher crime rates. And that police patrol these neighborhoods with the intent of protecting the law abiding citizens living there. I'm not a huge fan of stop and frisk, but the issue should be the concept of unwarranted search and not so much the race of those being searched. One of those is an actual issue of liberty, while the other is more likely to be the very sort of statistical misinterpretation you were talking about.

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The statistics (what you live by) of stop and frisk in New York clearly demonstrated that more contraband was found on white people than minorities, yet minorities were stopped nearly 80%(?) of the time.


And why do you suppose that was? Your immediate assumption seems to be "racism on the part of the police", but aren't there other, more likely explanations? Like, and I'm just spit balling here, the fact that Blacks and Latinos are more likely to be members of gangs, wearing gang colors, signs, and tattoos, and thus more likely to be targeted for a stop and frisk action than the random white guy walking by in the same neighborhood, not wearing any specific gang associated clothing, despite having pockets loaded with drugs. Or maybe it's that Blacks and Latinos are more likely to congregate in groups in high crime neighborhoods where these tactics are being used. So if there's one person in a group of 10 who is holding the contraband, that's a lower rate of "searches to contraband", than the one guy out of a group of 5, right? Or one guy on his own.

It could also be an element of what I sometimes refer to as urban camouflage. Blacks and Latinos who are not themselves involved in any criminal behavior are more likely to dress and act similarly to those in their neighborhoods who are than Whites do. I could speculate about why this is, but the fact is that law abiding White people tend to do everything they can to distance themselves from anything remotely looking or sounding like criminal behavior when they're not actually involved in said. Blacks and Latinos are more likely to glorify the style of the street gangster and emulate it. So yeah. If a cop is looking at clothing style, body language, behavior, etc, he's going to tend to pick up on those who are intentionally emulating the clothing style, body language, and behavior of the criminal element and target them for stop and frisk.

All of which are possible explanations for the resulting statistics that don't require any racism on the part of the cop at all. I get that you want it to all be about race, but the reality is that cops look at behavior more than anything else. If they think you're acting strangely, they're going to take a second look at you. And yes, part of this is even self perpetuating. A black teen who believes that the cops are racists who are going to target him for no good reason is more likely to act nervously when cops approach, and perhaps make an effort to get away from them, despite not actually doing anything wrong at all. The cop picks up on that nervousness, and his movement away, and furtive looks, and decides to investigate that teen because of the behavior.

There is a cultural issue here, but IMO one of the biggest problems is that black youth are taught to fear and hate the police. We can speculate about actual rates of racism among cops (and I'm not saying at all that rate is zero), but what's being taught to young black men is far far far more dangerous for them than any amount of racist cops. When you perpetuate this idea, you're basically guaranteeing that the next generation of black teens will suffer the same disproportionate police interactions that this generation is. You can never ever solve the problem that way.

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So, no, this wasn't about helping victims, but targeting victims who are least likely able to defend themselves. Secondly, people are conflating killers with drug dealers and drug users. No one is complaining about taking killers off the streets. The problem is the assumption that everyone in the neighborhood is guilty till proven innocent.


It's Bloomberg. He's a liberal, and thus thinks that less guns equals less crime. The primary objective of stop and frisk was to confiscate guns being carried around on the street. We can debate the effectiveness of that part of the process, but that is the objective, and they have confiscated a decent amount of illegal weapons along the way. How many of those would have been used to commit a crime? Don't know. But that's the theory that this program operates under. So if you don't like it, maybe blame the Democrats and their nutty liberal ideas about gun crime.

Remember. This is the same guy who banned sodas above a certain size. He clearly is of the mindset that the broad social end outweighs and justifies infringements on individual liberty. That's the real problem here.

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Which is strange, because that's exactly what you appear to be doing with the stop and frisk stats. As your earlier quote shows, what can make stats misleading is when assumptions are applied to them that aren't themselves supported by the stats themselves. As in your assumption that a difference in contraband rates found by stops of blacks versus whites must be the result of racism. The stat only shows that a higher percentage of whites searched had contraband on them. Again, there's a whole set of reasonable explanations for why cops might more accurately be able to profile white people for such searches than black people, so leaping to "they just like to waste their time stopping and searching people they know aren't doing anything because they're racist" just seems somewhat silly.

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Are there other forums you use where text is the only form of communication?
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Not sure I'm such a big fan of the moderators engaging that directly with the candidates themselves (it should be a debate between them, not the moderators). But it's the same format they used in their previous debate, so Trump can't really cry foul IMO.

That's exactly why it was bad. It doesn't matter what they did at some other debate, that was then.


I think that Fox sees this as their opportunity to challenge the candidates on statements they've made and how they relate to reality. They already got the opportunity to do this to all the other candidates on the stage, so doing it again would seem redundant (and from a "series of debates" perspective, could also be seen as unfair). They hadn't yet subjected Trump to this treatment, so he got it this time.

I'm not at all rejecting the possibility that at least some of this was motivated by a desire to punish Trump for snubbing them at the previous debate. Kinda like the one kid who skips class on the day everyone's standing up and giving their presentation assignment now gets to be the only one doing so the next time he's in class. Which, of course, is always worse.

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In this debate, which is supposed to be a forum about the candidates and not Fox's hard-on to have Trump hand in late homework they feel they deserve, either you do the same to everyone on the stage or to no one. Doing it solely to Trump was horrible form.


Again though, not unprecedented. I'm not a fan of this sort of thing at debates at all, but if you're going to do it, I'm not particularly upset that they chose to apply exactly the same sort of "late homework assignment" process that we'd expect in other settings. An adult just accepts that he skipped out on it the first time, so he has to expect it this time. I'm also assuming that they communicated the fact that they were going to do this prior to the debate, because I didn't see Trump complain about it. I haven't been following the post debate discussions very closely, so maybe this was a thing though. Dunno.
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Is gbaji self-aware enough to realize that arguing with Alma about semantics looks like two Alzheimers patients throwing poo at one another?


HAHA; rhetorical question.Smiley: laugh
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Again though, not unprecedented.

What's the precedent? And, regardless, saying "Debates have been poorly done or used as a chance to go after a single candidate before" doesn't excuse it now.
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