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#52 Nov 08 2016 at 10:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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So, how many of you still want to eliminate the filibuster?
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This is pretty much the end for humanity. In a hundred years this planet won't be habitable.
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I may be mistaken, but it looks like Republicans have a majority in both the house and senate now as well. I guess I better find my draft card.
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I'd like to congratulate Gbaji on having his candidate elected to the Presidency.
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Wow. I have this uneasy feeling. On the one hand, my wish that HRC is not the president came true. On other, DT did. Remind me why do I dislike the current system?

Also, how long till ppl on the hill figure out that he can't be managed and controlled and install Pence instead?

Also#2, WS is in full panic mode.

Should be an interesting ride.

Edited, Nov 9th 2016 8:53am by angrymnk
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I'd like to congratulate Gbaji on having his candidate elected to the Presidency.
At the very least the next four years of conservatives walking back their comments about Trump should be fun to watch.

Also, it's 11/9.

Edited, Nov 9th 2016 9:10am by lolgaxe
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Wow. I have this uneasy feeling. On the one hand, my wish that HRC is not the president came true. On other, DT did. Remind me why do I dislike the current system?
You know there are places in the world where people don't get to choose which group of billionaires steal their money. We should all be thankful we live in a place where we do.

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At the very least the next four years of conservatives walking back their comments about Trump should be fun to watch.
This is going to be my favorite part as well, a lot of people were betting on him losing. Didn't turn out that way, now they'll have to work with him.

Smiley: popcorn

Anyway, today is the day I get to try and convince my liberal friends the world isn't going to explode/collapse/etc. Wish me luck. Smiley: rolleyes
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The Absolute Madman actually did it! Smiley: yippee
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Do you hear the people sing
Lost in the valley of the night?
It is the music of a people
Who are climbing to the light.

For the wretched of the earth
There is a flame that never dies.
Even the darkest night will end
And the sun will rise.

They will live again in freedom
In the garden of the Lord.
We will walk behind the ploughshare;
We will put away the sword.
The chain will be broken
And all men will have their reward.

Will you join in our crusade?
Who will be strong and stand with me?
Somewhere beyond the barricade
Is there a world you long to see?
Do you hear the people sing?
Say, do you hear the distant drums?
It is the future that they bring
When tomorrow comes!
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So what happens then? Does trump nuke spain?
He had better wait until Amy Schumer moves there. Best not to waste a second nuke. Smiley: tongue

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Trump's going to win.
I'll take 'phrases I didn't think I'd hear 6 months ago' for $200 please.
I tried to tell you. But nooo, "crazy ol' Poldaran doesn't know how elections work" and "there's no way Poldaran's right. Trump will never win". Let's ask Walter. Hey Walt, was I right or was I goddamn right?
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I'm enjoying this.

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#62 Nov 09 2016 at 10:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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I noticed. Smiley: lol

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someproteinguy wrote:
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Trump's going to win.
I'll take 'phrases I didn't think I'd hear 6 months ago' for $200 please.
I tried to tell you. But nooo, "crazy ol' Poldaran doesn't know how elections work" and "there's no way Poldaran's right. Trump will never win".
The shift in the polls in the last week or two took a lot of people by surprise I think. Hillary was looking cozy, then you saw a sudden shift in the responses and Trump gained like 5 points overnight. Maybe something to be said for people not speaking out about their support for Trump? Or perhaps the last FBI thing eroded her support finally? Seems like a weird thing to finally break the camel's back though.

I'm sure I'll hear a lot of "racist" and "sexist" and whatnot today from disillusioned Clinton supporters, but I can't help but think they've squandered their opportunities. The world-wide backlash against globalization kind of finally hit home, and it's not surprising to see the forgotten middle class hit back against the establishment.


Edited, Nov 9th 2016 8:13am by someproteinguy
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I'm sure I'll hear a lot of "racist" and "sexist" and whatnot today from disillusioned Clinton supporters, but I can't help but think they've squandered their opportunities.
They've been using accusations of "racism" and "sexism" in lieu of actual policy arguments for at least much of the year. But they're still trying. Salt is flowing like water on my SJW family's Facebook feeds.

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The shift in the polls in the last week or two took a lot of people by surprise I think. Hillary was looking cozy, then you saw a sudden shift in the responses and Trump gained like 5 points overnight. Maybe something to be said for people not speaking out about their support for Trump? Or perhaps the last FBI thing eroded her support finally? Seems like a weird thing to finally break the camel's back though.

I'm sure I'll hear a lot of "racist" and "sexist" and whatnot today from disillusioned Clinton supporters, but I can't help but think they've squandered their opportunities. The world-wide backlash against globalization kind of finally hit home, and it's not surprising to see the forgotten middle class hit back against the establishment.
I'd seen the backlash coming, and the election was tipped strongly against the Dems the moment they chose the most establishment candidate possible to battle Trump during this year. If he had managed to stay on message and be a little less "spontaneous Trump", she wouldn't have had a chance from day 1. But he was bad at this and still managed to win handily.

Bernie was the right candidate for this election. He lacked her baggage, he was seen as anti-establishment and he had a lot of ideas progressives could really get behind. But they screwed him and elected Trump. ****, that third guy might have even have had a shot, since no one remembered enough about him to call him "establishment". Biden lacked the baggage and certainly couldn't be called nearly as "establishment" as Hillary, though I think "focused Donald" could have beaten either of the latter two.

Love it. Smiley: laugh
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If he had managed to stay on message and be a little less "spontaneous Trump", she wouldn't have had a chance from day 1.
Yeah I think so too. He's had the unfortunate ability to put his foot in his mouth a little too much. I get the whole "spontaneous" thing helps you appear less establishment, and that's a good contrast to have, but it wasn't his strong point, especially when trying to sell himself in the general election.
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He almost looks darker than Obama in that picture. I guess it shouldn't be too much of a surprise, he's all fake-tanned and Obama is only half-black.
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Yeah that's one of the bigger divides in our country. Rural and Urban people just don't mix much, and there's not a lot of understanding about the realities of living in the different locations. It's not too surprising how one side could be pretty much blind to the problems faced by the other. That's another thing you can't really explain to people until they experience it for themselves.

One more thing you want to roll your eyes at in the whole "I don't understand why do they vote that way!" rhetoric. I mean, of course you don't, you're a well-educated person doing research at a hospital in a major metropolitan area. You've benefited from Obamacare, and increased funding for the sciences. Globalization is helping your collaborations with people around the world. None of those opportunities are available in a town of 500 people. Now that the lumber mill laid off most of its staff your best hope is to slowly work your way up to night manager at the hotel along the freeway. Etc, etc..

The decent jobs you could get without an education, and without moving to a major metropolitan area are largely gone. Ignore that problem long enough and things so sour for you politically.

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Welp, that was no fun. I don't feel bad about being wrong because all you have to go on are the signs and the signs looked like a Clinton win and the metrics like crowd size, etc never held up in the last couple previous cycles. Hell, the RNC was convinced that Trump was going to lose going into last night. [Edit: According to reports from inside the campaign today, Trump's own campaign thought was was going to lose going into last night] I hope Nate Silver's gig predicting baseball scores pays well.

Smash was wrong about Clinton not running/being nominated but right about her failing to be electable. I don't think Sanders was remotely electable either and while some people are on a "This is the DNC's fault" tear, the fact is that Sanders ran a half-assed vanity campaign until it looked like he might be actually getting traction and tried to turn it into a real campaign far too late. DWS wasn't the reason that Clinton got an extra couple million votes. Sanders would have been murdered in the general after getting virtually no negative campaigning against him in the primary. I don't know who might have won. O'Malley? Biden? Beats me.

Well, here's hoping that most of the insane shit Trump came up with was election rhetoric and he does a half decent job.

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I've been arguing your Sanders point all day. If he couldn't handle being the underdog, what more the front runner? He would have lost also.
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I don't think Sanders was remotely electable either and while some people are on a "This is the DNC's fault" tear, the fact is that Sanders ran a half-assed vanity campaign until it looked like he might be actually getting traction and tried to turn it into a real campaign far too late. DWS wasn't the reason that Clinton got an extra couple million votes. Sanders would have been murdered in the general after getting virtually no negative campaigning against him in the primary.


I think Daily Show had a very short, well made point, about the perception of Sanders. They played a few clips of him doing the usual politics, anti-immigrant comments, etc. And that the only reason he was looking so "good" was because no one was treating him like a serious candidate and actually looking at past statements that could be harmful or negative.

Not saying that he is a bad person by any means. Just that he knew how to play politics over his career and say what the electorate wanted to hear just like the rest of them. His outsider status wouldn't hold up to any serious scrutiny. He just played on the millennial vote during the primaries with cries for "Free College".
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[Edit: According to reports from inside the campaign today, Trump's own campaign thought was was going to lose going into last night]
Yeah, that's what I had heard as well. Even Trump himself was convinced he was going to lose up until the point where the numbers were coming back from places like NC/FL that showed him with lead that was larger than what the democratic candidate usually makes up with later returns. Remember seeing one reporter tweet that he had stepped away from everyone into a back room for a bit, and was trying to take it all in. Reality hitting home and all. Must have been quite the moment for him.
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Reality hitting home and all. Must have been quite the moment for him.


Part of me wonders if Trump was panicking like Garrison in the recent South Park episodes. Full on "OMG I'm actually going to win? WTF am I going to do now?"
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Reality hitting home and all. Must have been quite the moment for him.

"Oh fuck, what do I do? What do I do? It wasn't supposed to end like this, fuck what do I do?" Smiley: grin
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I don't know why anyone would be upset over the results, really. It's been pretty clear that a bowl of shit was going to be President since like January. So it's the runny one instead of the dried up one. I can at least take solace in the fact that while I was wrong, I wasn't nearly as wrong as some people when it came to predicting this outcome. And some people made some painfully embarrassing predictions this time.

The whole electoral versus popular rant was fun for the first ten hours, but now it's just annoying. The time for that is in the middle of a term, not after your choice loses. Also need to delete twitter off my phone for a while. It's been filled with almost nothing but Mark Ruffalo and Nick Spencer ranting and whining.
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The whole electoral versus popular rant was fun for the first ten hours, but now it's just annoying. The time for that is in the middle of a term, not after your choice loses.


The electoral college is only a problem when your candidate loses. Otherwise it is working as intended. How will you know it's a problem that needs fixing until your candidate loses?
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I don't have a problem with the EC. Supreme Court picks are reason enough to have a valid preference for turd plate A or B.

Edit: We can elect Mr. Grab 'Em By The Pussy, but we can't say "turd" on ZAM? This world is crazy!

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I really need to stop poking the bears over on Facebook for giggles. So many sore winners!
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I have no problem with the EC either. All those "Win 270 with 20% of the popular vote" things that come out each year are just absurd.
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Speaking of South Park. Pretty sure the conclusion of it all is tonight.

I think my favorite part of this season has been when Dildo Baggins said to Gerald "How would you like it if someone photoshopped a dick in your wife's mouth?" and his reply was "Oh, you mean my home screen?" as he holds up his phone.

Wonder if characters from this season of South Park are going to be in Fractured But Whole.
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I thought you were saying that it was the last episode ever...
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Has the popular vote been officially called? At least she can go out with an asterisk.
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Has the popular vote been officially called? At least she can go out with an asterisk.

Pretty sure Bill is the polyamorous one.

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I don't know why anyone would be upset over the results, really. It's been pretty clear that a bowl of shit was going to be President since like January. So it's the runny one instead of the dried up one.


Yup. This. Smiley: chug

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I can at least take solace in the fact that while I was wrong, I wasn't nearly as wrong as some people when it came to predicting this outcome. And some people made some painfully embarrassing predictions this time.


I'll take my "broken clock" award now, I suppose. For what it's worth. I think what happened with the polls is that when you spend a ton of effort demonizing, not just the candidate, but anyone who supports him (basket of deplorables , anyone?), you kinda can't be surprised if the result is fewer people saying they support him, even while actually planning to vote for him on election day. In any normal election cycle, that might have been matched with people actually choosing to stay home due to said association (which is kinda the whole point of making the association in the first place), but in this case, there were likely a heck of a lot of people who didn't like Trump at all, but hated Clinton more, and when you add in the need on the right for a Republican, any Republican, to sit in the White House to reverse some of the equally hated Obama executive orders, and then add the whole "need to replace Scalia" bit into the mix, it's not really that surprising that far more people voted for him on election day than were saying they were going to vote for him in the opinion polls.

For a lot of conservatives, this election wasn't about Trump at all, but a need to prevent the court from being stacked with 5 liberal justices, 3 conservative justices, and Kennedy (who rules with the liberal wing on most things anyway), and effectively losing every court decision for the next half century. For that, they're willing to put a clothespin on their nose and vote Trump. Add in Clinton's incredibly poor support among traditional blue collar democrats (like, say steel and coal workers in Pennsylvania, or auto workers in Michigan), and the results start to make a lot more sense. I suspect that a fair number of those blue collar voters were also loath to say they were voting Trump to a pollster, but felt they had no choice if they wanted to continue to have a job in the future.

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The whole electoral versus popular rant was fun for the first ten hours, but now it's just annoying. The time for that is in the middle of a term, not after your choice loses.


I've never really understood that argument. The entire point of the EC is to ensure that the election isn't determined purely by popular vote, but must represent support across a broad geographical portion of the country. When the popular vote and the EC results differ, that's the EC system actually working. If they were always in agreement, there would be no need to have an Electoral College. It's the fact that they don't that is why it exists. Just amazes me that people don't seem to get this.
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It's the fact that they don't that is why it exists. Just amazes me that people don't seem to get this.

Literally everyone gets this.
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That's not why the EC exists though. The largest factor is historical. It exists now because it existed before. Changing the Constitution is fairly involved and people tend not to feel passionate about procedural issues that might have at best a rather mild effect on the democratic process.

What it achieves now is not some old wives' tale protecting flyover states from being ignored. At best it shifts which states are ignored to those that are uncontested. It achieves practicality.

1) If I have a single bucket of 1000 balls, 502 red and 498 blue, then I'd have to count then very carefully to make certain I had found which side was in the majority. If I instead divide those into 2 smaller buckets of 500 each where one has 400 red and 100 blue while the other has 102 red and 398 blue, it's pretty easy to tell the majority in an individual bucket.

2) It also makes recounts less painful. Having to recount Florida in 2000 was a pain. Needing to recount the entire national vote because of a pure popular vote election would be a nightmare.

3) The EC magnifies small variances to produce less contestable results. This disincentivizes challenging the count in most states.

4) A pure popular vote could regularly lead to a runoff election. This lengthens the overall process.

When the EC differs from the popular vote it's a failure of democracy we allow as trade off for the the greater effort required to enact a more accurate system.

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Less people voted Trump than Romney, this loss is entirely on the DNC, and Hillary.
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Hardly an observation, eh? Any elective loss is because one person failed to turn out as many people (in the areas that matter in the case of the EC). That's, like, how elections work.
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Back around February you said that "If it came down to a choice between Clinton and Trump," you'd vote for Clinton because while you might not agree with Clinton on much of anything Trump was absolutely destabilizing and the scary choice. Then a month later you said your principles were more important than party affiliation, reinforcing your statement you'd rather go with Clinton than Trump. How did that go?
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I'm going to guess Gbaji went third party (Johnson), knowing that his vote in CA wouldn't make much difference and not wanting to cast for either main candidate. But I could be wrong.
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I'm sure I'll hear a lot of "racist" and "sexist" and whatnot today from disillusioned Clinton supporters, but I can't help but think they've squandered their opportunities.
They've been using accusations of "racism" and "sexism" in lieu of actual policy arguments for at least much of the year. But they're still trying. Salt is flowing like water on my SJW family's Facebook feeds.
Unlike here, I showed restraint and posted nothing more than a simple change of my FB Header and a quick "Woo! Trump!"

And I think I got uninvited from Thanksgiving. Smiley: dubious
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Less people voted Trump than Romney, this loss is entirely on the DNC, and Hillary.
Nice we're down 10 million voters since 2008. Good to see democracy is alive and kicking. Smiley: rolleyes
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And I think I got uninvited from Thanksgiving. Smiley: dubious

You can "Woo Trump" while browsing 4Chan and eating your microwaved turkey pot pie.
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Also people need to stop blocking the roadways around here. File a permit and march if that's what you want, but blocking the freeway after your candidate loses a free and fair election doesn't do you or your candidate any favors. Smiley: disappointed
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I'm sure I'll hear a lot of "racist" and "sexist" and whatnot today from disillusioned Clinton supporters, but I can't help but think they've squandered their opportunities.
They've been using accusations of "racism" and "sexism" in lieu of actual policy arguments for at least much of the year. But they're still trying. Salt is flowing like water on my SJW family's Facebook feeds.
Unlike here, I showed restraint and posted nothing more than a simple change of my FB Header and a quick "Woo! Trump!"

And I think I got uninvited from Thanksgiving. Smiley: dubious
Shame. Watching those two random relatives throwing punches was always decent pre-dinner entertainment, especially since the football games were usually terrible anyway.

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And I think I got uninvited from Thanksgiving. Smiley: dubious

You can "Woo Trump" while browsing 4Chan and eating your microwaved turkey pot pie.
Pot pie?! Bitch, I will cut you with my turkey carving knife. Smiley: laugh

I'm the cook of the family. I can just have my own Thanksgiving. With blackjack. And hookers. And probably a ham because a turkey's too much effort for one person. I mean, I could drive three hours and see the GF, but I have to work that night and she's still mad Romney didn't get nominated. Yeah, try to figure that one out.


Also, I don't really visit 4chan. I do sometimes look at screenshots of 4chan linked on Twitter, though. I'll probably instead just rewatch some kind of fanservicey animu. Or marathon Breaking Bad, which I STILL haven't gotten around to watching.
#101 Nov 10 2016 at 10:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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someproteinguy wrote:
blocking the freeway after your candidate loses a free and fair election doesn't do you or your candidate any favors. Smiley: disappointed

I'm going to guess that Clinton won't be president no matter how many roads are obstructed or not.
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Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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