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#627 Nov 01 2017 at 7:41 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
The guy plead guilty for the same reason most people plead guilty: To avoid a trial where he may be convicted of a more serious offense.
Most people plead guilty because they are guilty and want to avoid the maximum sentence for their crimes.

Edited, Nov 1st 2017 9:47am by lolgaxe
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If Papadopolous just copped to a lesser charge to make it an easy day for the FBI, they wouldn't have kept it sealed for months. Papadopolous agreed to flip, spent a couple months working with the feds and the plea bargain wasn't revealed until Mueller had what he needed (or all he was going to get) from Papadopolous. There would have been no reason to keep it secret for months if it was rote "take the minor charge to avoid gambling on the judge" stuff.

This is pretty much note for note like the Grand Budget thread which was the genesis of "News from anywhere". Some of us are actually reading and digesting the news and making educated statements and Gbaji is basically throwing partisan haymakers under the guise of "I don't need that devil's news, I have it all figured out myself".

Also, not to make the obvious point, but if Papadopolous was "all they had", Manafort & Gates wouldn't be out on bail right now.
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#629 Nov 01 2017 at 10:40 AM Rating: Good
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I found out yesterday that pleaded and pled are BOTH words. (I thought maybe pleaded was not actually a word, had to look it up, cause it looked so weird on the news.)

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#630 Nov 01 2017 at 10:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
I know that the left has an obsession about Manafort, but the guy hasn't had any role in anything at all related to the Trump campaign, transition, or administration, for over 14 months. They literally hired him for his convention expertise, and then let him go about a month after the convention was over and they needed to move on to the general election. We can speculate about why, but it's possible that they realized he had some questionable dealings in his past, and didn't want anything to do with him.
I'm running on the assumption right now that being an outsider who wants to drain the swamp means you don't get the pick of the litter when it comes to people who are good advisors/managers/whatever to a political campaign.

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That's a crime now?
Just don't take their advice and do something stupid prior to letting them go and you're golden. Think that's what we're trying to figure out at this point. The guy was pretty obviously sketchy and not fully vetted before he came onboard, and there were plenty of people in the campaign that didn't like him, or any of the others caught up in this mess so far. Then again, you play the cards you're dealt. Too many people didn't want to be associated with Trump at that point in the election, and someone with a clean record in politics would be a lot to ask even for a well-liked candidate.

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They'll never get around to investigating Clinton and her buddies. They'll rake the Trump administration over the coals for as long as they can, drag it out in the media and public eye as long as possible, and get as much political value for the Left as possible, and then drop it (with maybe a few minor charges against some side characters along the way), and then the media story will be that the whole Russian Meddling thing is "old news", and has "already been investigated to death", and "let's just move on", when it comes time to look into anything on Clinton's side of the aisle.
I have Podesta pinned as more of a sacrificial lamb kind of thing right now. Getting him gone would make it appear the Dems took their lumps and rooted out the evil on their side, making any resistance to further investigation from Trump seem more suspect in the court of public opinion.

Smiley: tinfoilhat

Edited, Nov 1st 2017 9:57am by someproteinguy
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#631 Nov 01 2017 at 10:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'll listen to your legal expertise right after the supreme court hears the case about Obama's birth certificate.
Why are you even an Admin at this point? All it does it keep me from up-voting you. Smiley: glare

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#632 Nov 01 2017 at 12:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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someproteinguy wrote:
Why are you even an Admin at this point?
Someone has to hide all the double posts.
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Why are you even an Admin at this point?
Someone has to hide all the double posts.
Double posts shouldn't be hidden, they should be celebrated. Let them come out in the open and we can love and respect them for what they truly are.
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#634 Nov 01 2017 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
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They need to stop being so extra.
#635 Nov 01 2017 at 6:26 PM Rating: Good
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SPG wrote:
I'm running on the assumption right now that being an outsider who wants to drain the swamp means...

Smiley: um
Please tell us you don't believe that, and that you have never believed it.


I like to think you're smarter than that.
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Trump's cabinet and advisors are largely made up of unqualified sycophants and cronies with conflicts of interest. Trump had trouble attracting strong talent because people expected him to bomb and didn't want to be attached to that mess, not because he threatened anyone's "swamp".

Edited, Nov 1st 2017 7:49pm by Jophiel
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#637 Nov 01 2017 at 9:16 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Trump's cabinet and advisors are largely made up of unqualified sycophants and cronies with conflicts of interest. Trump had trouble attracting strong talent because people expected him to bomb and didn't want to be attached to that mess, not because he threatened anyone's "swamp".
You know I was focusing on the "promise to drain the swamp" part, right?
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For my next act...I CLONE MYSELF!!

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Last week, I saw a guy with an eyepatch and a gold monocle and pointed him out to Flea as one of the most awesome things I've seen, ever. If I had an eyepatch and a gold monocle, I'd always dress up as Mr. Peanut but with a hook hand and a parrot.
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Friar Bijou wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Trump's cabinet and advisors are largely made up of unqualified sycophants and cronies with conflicts of interest. Trump had trouble attracting strong talent because people expected him to bomb and didn't want to be attached to that mess, not because he threatened anyone's "swamp".
You know I was focusing on the "promise to drain the swamp" part, right?

Yeah. I was replying to SPG's notion that Trump couldn't get good help because of his "drain the swamp" (false) pledge.
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#642 Nov 02 2017 at 7:23 AM Rating: Good
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The only thing funnier than the "drain the swamp" pledge was how out of the way they went to demonize Goldman Sachs only to basically fill half the cabinet with them.
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#643 Nov 02 2017 at 7:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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Why are you even an Admin at this point?
Someone has to hide all the double posts.

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#644 Nov 02 2017 at 8:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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Friar Bijou wrote:
SPG wrote:
I'm running on the assumption right now that being an outsider who wants to drain the swamp means...

Smiley: um
Please tell us you don't believe that, and that you have never believed it.


I like to think you're smarter than that.
Meh, I used it because it was his words, and it works well enough. Also what Joph said too, there was plenty of reasons not to want to be attached to that mess he had going, especially for much of the race when he looked certain to lose. Don't think he ended up with these people by chance.

For what it's worth though I think there's some truth to the claim. In that he seems more interested in putting his own cronies into places of power, rather than recycling those from previous administrations. My Smiley: tinfoilhat side wonders if he's more interested in weakening many institutions, or using his appointments as political distractions, rather than simply having a traditional appointment like fiscal conservative running the department. Kind of took "drain the swamp" was code for "get on board with my agenda or I'm replacing you." He's made plenty of threats to other Republicans along those lines, and someone defying him usually brings out the "drain the swamp" rhetoric from the base, regardless of past allegiance.

Basically it's a politically savvy way of being a giant ass to everyone who disagrees with him.
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#645 Nov 02 2017 at 10:50 AM Rating: Good
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#646 Nov 03 2017 at 6:38 PM Rating: Decent
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You have to give it to them, they have some balls to do it now. There seems to be general the air of imperceptibly shuffling away from POTUS among the political class.. what exactly are they trying to gain here? Do they face hardcore Trump electorate or something?
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Showboating to get on the Sunday morning shows. They're all from solid R districts and they're offering a nonbinding resolution that accomplishes nothing.
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#648 Nov 06 2017 at 8:34 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Showboating to get on the Sunday morning shows.
Got to use those tax dollars for something.
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The Russian lawyer who met with Trump's team is now saying that she's willing to testify that Trump Jr offered to revisit the Magnitsky law and also, oh, did she have any dirt on Clinton doing anything illegal?
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#650 Nov 07 2017 at 8:25 AM Rating: Good
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Was that the same lawyer that catfished Jr into a meeting about adoption?
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Was that the same lawyer that catfished Jr into a meeting about adoption?
Yup. Now we get to add more non-committal answers and disappointment to the whole thing. With all the other charges flying around involving other people in the administration this meeting is still the dumbest part of it. Mostly just Jr being all grumpy that he didn't get to play big-boy political games like the others in his dad's campaign.

2/10 wouldn't rent the episode a second time.
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