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#52 Dec 11 2017 at 8:32 AM Rating: Good
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There's a middle ground between "no respect at all", and "must do what they want". Don't project your own inability to find that middle ground on me, or on other conservatives. We have no problem in that space.
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No, he's right. He has no problem ignoring that space.
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And there's my point, right there. You don't actually care about the people.
The guy who's labored at an homeless shelter for over a decade doesn't care about the people? Huh.


First off, I was using the word "you" in a general sense, not you specifically. Given multiple uses of the form "if you do X, then you Y", I thought that was clear.

Secondly, do you volunteer your time at the shelter? Or is it a job you get paid to do? Not placing any specific value judgements here, but if that's your employment, then while I'm not going to insist that you *don't* care about the people at the shelter (I'd be shocked if that was the case actually), but that's not a valid argument to claim that you care *more* about people than someone else.

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The guy who so clearly values money over people (you) gets to make judgment calls on the motivations/empathy of half the country? Double huh.


That's a pretty amazing set of assumptions there. Let's ignore the argument I'm making and make personal attacks instead. Well, that's at least consistent.

My point, in case you missed it, is that when we get into the political arena (or heck, just the PR angle), it's not uncommon for people to make a huge deal of "supporting a group", when it's more about their benefit for being seen as supporting said group than it really is about that group or their well being. And yes, I happen to believe that a lot of what motivates the Democratic party as an organization (not individuals themselves) is the perception of being on "the side" of various victimized groups, so they can gain greater political support in return.

You're free to disagree, argue against, etc, but countering with "but you're a terrible selfish person, so your opinion doesn't count" is a crappy response. How about responding to what I said? Crazy huh?
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Which I find bizarre. There's a middle ground between "no respect at all", and "must do what they want". Don't project your own inability to find that middle ground on me, or on other conservatives.

mhmmm... Hence the silence at what's going on.


Absence of support is not silence. There has been a ton of coverage and talk by conservatives about this. Usually of the "I get their position, but this isn't the best way to express it" variety. You know, the "how" of things, which I always point out is what is most important to conservatives.

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Oh, I'm sorry... the "illegal protests" -- that's always the excuse when minorities get abused by authority, isn't it?


No. It's the statement made when the protest involves illegal activities. Period. It's not about who the people are to us. We don't apply different rules to people based on their identity. What's bizarre is that you're actually criticizing conservatives for failing to engaged in discrimination.


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****, sorry you didn't have your licensed papers, guess we have to gas you or shoot you or hit you with a car now. Shucky darn but that's just the conservative middle ground, ya know?


Yes. Because the police just randomly started gassing folks, shooting them, hitting them with cars, sending dogs after them, etc. There was no violence actions at all by the other side here, right?

Might want to check those classes you're wearing.
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#55 Dec 12 2017 at 9:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Friar Bijou wrote:
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And there's my point, right there. You don't actually care about the people.
The guy who's labored at an homeless shelter for over a decade doesn't care about the people? Huh.


First off, I was using the word "you" in a general sense, not you specifically. Given multiple uses of the form "if you do X, then you Y", I thought that was clear.

Secondly, do you volunteer your time at the shelter? Or is it a job you get paid to do? Not placing any specific value judgements here, but if that's your employment, then while I'm not going to insist that you *don't* care about the people at the shelter (I'd be shocked if that was the case actually), but that's not a valid argument to claim that you care *more* about people than someone else.


Unless you could be in a better paying job, but you choose not to because you care *more* about people than someone else.
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#56 Dec 12 2017 at 9:55 PM Rating: Good
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It's not about who the people are to us.


Pretty divisive language. Are we not all Americans, even you, the European White Devils? Smiley: lol
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#57 Dec 13 2017 at 2:54 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Secondly, do you volunteer your time at the shelter? Or is it a job you get paid to do?
Both.

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Not placing any specific value judgements here
You clearly are.

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...but that's not a valid argument to claim that you care *more* about people than someone else.
I didn't say I cared more, you ***; YOU claimed I didn't care at all. Go ahead and pretend that's not what you meant. You either did mean it, or you are almost incapable of writing coherently. Pick one.

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Let's ignore the argument I'm making and make personal attacks instead.
Attack or not, it's still true. Own it.


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#58 Dec 13 2017 at 8:15 AM Rating: Good
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Might want to check those classes you're wearing.
Man, could you at least try a little?
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#59 Dec 13 2017 at 8:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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#60 Dec 14 2017 at 12:45 AM Rating: Good
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And yes, I happen to believe that a lot of what motivates the Democratic party as an organization (not individuals themselves) is the perception of being on "the side" of various victimized groups, so they can gain greater political support in return.
Politcal support to continue to help victimized groups. What inhuman monsters they must be.


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#61 Dec 14 2017 at 12:48 AM Rating: Good
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Might want to check those classes you're wearing.
Man, could you at least try a little?
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That is him trying.
Kind of reads that he wanted to say "Bijou is wrong" while saying "Joph is wrong" and ended up saying "Jophiel is blind". Smiley: laugh
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#62 Dec 16 2017 at 6:24 AM Rating: Good
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Friar Bijou wrote:
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And yes, I happen to believe that a lot of what motivates the Democratic party as an organization (not individuals themselves) is the perception of being on "the side" of various victimized groups, so they can gain greater political support in return.
Politcal support to continue to help victimized groups. What inhuman monsters they must be.
When taken from the context of where gbaji's coming from on this, yea, they are. They're inhuman and despicable because they don't really give a **** about those victimized groups, they're just using them. One of those ends don't justify the means sort of things.

I happen to agree with gbaji regarding Democrats. Pretty sure we disagree in my belief that the GOP does the exact same thing though, except they use and abuse stupid rednecks and the religious right. They don't really care about either group, but they're happy to let those groups think they do.


You guys can take solace in the fact that this isn't isolated to the US. Its worldwide in each and every country that allows its citizens to vote.
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You guys can take solace in the fact that this isn't isolated to the US. Its worldwide in each and every country that allows its citizens to vote.
That's why I prefer local elections. At least that way when your elected official ****** you off you can give his daughter a C- on her mid-term essay and get even in a passive-aggressive way.
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#64 Dec 23 2017 at 4:01 PM Rating: Good
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#65 Jan 03 2018 at 9:09 PM Rating: Decent
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I happen to agree with gbaji regarding Democrats. Pretty sure we disagree in my belief that the GOP does the exact same thing though, except they use and abuse stupid rednecks and the religious right. They don't really care about either group, but they're happy to let those groups think they do.


I'm not at all going to argue that political parties in general don't pander to the groups whose votes they want to get. That's somewhat innate in the system, and especially once political parties become institutions (which they inevitably do). The difference to me is what the parties do with power when they have it. As you might imagine, I'm far more ok with a party pandering to their base in order to proceed with a small government agenda than one that proceeds with big government programs. One of those has more impact on me and my life than the other.

I am innately opposed to the idea that the government's role is to take from group A to give to group B, with whatever party is in power deciding who gets to be in which group. Which is what we have in most of the western democracies right now. But in the US, this is not a case of two parties tugging on opposite ends of the same rope (not yet anyway). In the US, the two parties are on completely different axis. The Dems want to take from group A and give to group B. The GOP doesn't want the government doing that at all.

I'm looking past the concept that the Dems are helping folks in groupA today, and to the idea that having a government with that power is a bad idea because tomorrow they may decide to change who is in the helped group. And that's without even examining the nature of that 'help', and whether it actually helps those in the groups in question in the long run at all (I happen to believe it doesn't, but I'm a "teach a man to fish" kind of guy). And yeah, I get concerned by the base assumption that the party that "helps" people the most is automatically the best party. I think there's a lot of value in the party that meddles in my life the least. Putting value on only one aspect of government seems silly to me.
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#66 Jan 04 2018 at 8:24 AM Rating: Good
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As you might imagine, I'm far more ok with a party pandering to conservatives
Let's not start the year with your pretending you're politically multidimensional.
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As you might imagine, I'm far more ok with a party pandering to conservatives
Let's not start the year with your pretending you're politically multidimensional.


I do find it interesting that you seem to think it's more important who a political party panders to than what that political party does once their pandering has succeeded in gaining them power.
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#68 Jan 10 2018 at 8:04 AM Rating: Good
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I do find it interesting that you seem to think it's more important who a political party panders to than what that political party does once their pandering has succeeded in gaining them power.
Brought to us by the guy who makes it a point to always go out of his way to tell us how it's important everyone knows which political party panders to him specifically.
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I do find it interesting that you seem to think it's more important who a political party panders to than what that political party does once their pandering has succeeded in gaining them power.
Brought to us by the guy who makes it a point to always go out of his way to tell us how it's important everyone knows which political party panders to him specifically.


The above post was brought to you by the department of completely making shit up. I've literally never done that. You could at least try to be convincing. Or not...
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#70 Jan 13 2018 at 1:35 PM Rating: Good
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You could at least try to be convincing.
Convincing to who? You, the Dunning-Kruger effect given a degree of mobility?
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You could at least try to be convincing.
Convincing to who? You, the Dunning-Kruger effect given a degree of mobility?


You know... I wonder if there's a psychological effect named for people who reference psychological effects inaccurately in order to artificially make themselves think they have a stronger position than they actually do? Maybe call it the lolgaxe effect? Maybe there should be.
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#72 Jan 16 2018 at 12:05 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
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You could at least try to be convincing.
Convincing to who? You, the Dunning-Kruger effect given a degree of mobility?


You know... I wonder if there's a psychological effect named for people who reference psychological effects inaccurately in order to artificially make themselves think they have a stronger position than they actually do? Maybe call it the lolgaxe effect? Maybe there should be.
The 'gbaji reflux':

When you holler nonsense so loudly that the echo is all you hear, so what you can hear must be the truth.
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You know... I wonder if there's a psychological effect named for people who reference psychological effects inaccurately in order to artificially make themselves think they have a stronger position than they actually do?
I wonder if you noticed when asked who I need to be more convincing to you completely avoided the question? It's like you're too dumb to recognize you're too dumb to be cunning. Guess I wasn't as wrong with Dunning-Kruger as you thought I was. Then again, you were the one that thought it ...

Edited, Jan 16th 2018 9:56am by lolgaxe
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I wonder if you noticed when asked who I need to be more convincing to you completely avoided the question?


Well, you managed to mangle that sentence to near incoherence. So there's that.

Um... I "avoided" your question because it was irrelevant. One does not normally expect that when one makes a snarky comment like "You could at least try to be convincing" that the response will be "convincing to who(sic)?" Um... Anyone? Everyone? Whomever is reading the post?

Do you answer rhetorical questions too?

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Witness the lolgaxe effect in... um... effect.
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#75 Jan 17 2018 at 8:43 AM Rating: Good
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One does not normally expect
So? Is that why you never know what you're talking about? No one gives you the reaction you expect and you get flustered and just ramble hoping noone notices?
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Um... Anyone? Everyone? Whomever is reading the post?
You've already convinced everyone that you're political bias to a zealous level all on your lonesome, so why would I need to be more convincing to them?
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Witness the lolgaxe effect in... um... effect.
The lolgaxe effect is my constantly correcting you. Not much of an insult.
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Given that you are obviously trolling, and thus obviously aware you are trolling, it's reasonable to assume that you know you're not going to convince *me* of something you claimed about me that is absolutely demonstrably untrue, so one must assume you think that maybe you can influence other people who might be reading your post. At the very least, perhaps making some funny comment that they'll get a laugh at.

But your comment was not. Ergo, the whole bit about not trying to be convincing. A good troll plays that narrow line of "maybe this is really his point, or maybe not...?" As I said. You're not even trying. I'm giving you a D- grade for this effort. Try to do better next time.
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