I know it sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory, but hear me out. I was reading in another forum someone complaining about gil farmers in Ghelsba Outpost. The poster tells about three loggers that camp there 24/7. There names all begin with Happy (only one I can recall of hand is HappyNewYear). The poster was on a different server. But the strange thing is we have a guy named HappyNewYear that often camps Ghelsba. Anyway the poster tells that the three of them try to monopolize all the Elm logs. When there is few up at the AHs they raise the price. Apparantly they managed to raise Elm logs on that server from 3K to a constant 5K per log.
What is scary is that many other posters from all different servers mentioned loggers with similar names on their servers camping Ghelshba outpost, in the same way Hisisy, Bokeli, and Leox camp lower jeuno for teleports. Also the "Happy" people don't speak english and from what I hear they are Chinese.
What does this all have to do with communism? Think about it. All the "Happy"s in all the servers camping Ghelsba, is not a coincidence. They are definitly gil farmers. I have mentioned in other threads how much I hate gil farmers and how they can ruin the game. But now I think there is something worse at hand. How much money can you really make selling gil from camping elm logs online? Not a lot. But we have all heard about how much people in countries like China get paid. It's not uncommon for people to have to work 18-20 hour days for a dollar or less. In fact, playing FFXI (even doing something as boring and tedious as logging or teleporting) might be one of the best jobs you can get in China. But if you think how long it would take to earn about 500K to sell online you can imagine how little the workers get for these long shifts. The person who owns the gil farming company is obviously going to keep the vast majority of the profits. Why do you not see true gil farmers that speak english very often? Answer: minimum wages, child labor laws, etc.
It's something to think about, but I would hate to know that this is part of the future of online video games. Adding to the problems of worldwide poverty and child labor.
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I don't think it promotes communism in an economic sense as much as it possibly promotes exploitation of the poor and potentialy exploitation of children. The fact of the matter is I don't know how long these people work. For all we know, they could have 8 hour shifts, with a different person using the same account around the clock. I'm positive thats what the people controlling Hsisy and Bokeli, as well as gil farmers such as the Delfutt's Tower campers do to some extent. Knowing how labor laws work in these other countries though, it's probably not the case, and they may work 12+ hour shifts.
I say that it dosen't promote communism because you can take this business - to an extent - place US labor law requirements on it, and still have a capitalistic, competitive gil farming marketplace. There can be (and I'm sure there are) multiple players competing for market share, and not one central source to buy your gil in real life. It does, however, support communist economies controlled by totalitarian governments, which isn't necessarily a good thing.
Edited, Fri Sep 10 15:02:38 2004 by GatorHD
I say that it dosen't promote communism because you can take this business - to an extent - place US labor law requirements on it, and still have a capitalistic, competitive gil farming marketplace. There can be (and I'm sure there are) multiple players competing for market share, and not one central source to buy your gil in real life. It does, however, support communist economies controlled by totalitarian governments, which isn't necessarily a good thing.
Edited, Fri Sep 10 15:02:38 2004 by GatorHD
Not a communist conspiracy. I doubt the Chinese government supports Gil farming companies any more than they support any company that wants to setup shop in China and employ their citizens. IGE for example is a US company (IGE U.S., LLC - USA).
PS: Did u see the article in Wired about Gil farming companies:
http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,64638,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_2
PS: Did u see the article in Wired about Gil farming companies:
http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,64638,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_2
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The person who owns the gil farming company is obviously going to keep the vast majority of the profits.
I'm sorry, but this is called capitalism.
We have it here to.
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how little the workers get for these long shifts.
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It's not uncommon for people to have to work 18-20 hour days for a dollar or less. In fact, playing FFXI (even doing something as boring and tedious as logging or teleporting) might be one of the best jobs you can get in China.
Let's not be too quick to equate sweatshop labor with communism.
Lest we forget, under a communist system of government the state tells you what your job is (you are freed from the burden of looking for one yourself); you do it, and you recieve living support to ensure your survival and financial equality with everyone else.
In this way the government ensures that all society's infrastructure need are met
(want to be a dancer? too bad, we need another janitor; here's your mop.
want to be a singer? too bad, we need another computer repairman; here's your training, here's your desk.)
and that the populace's survival needs are likewise met (everyone gets paid the same, everyone pays the same expenses, everyone eats the same food).
The abhorable working conditions that have become synonymous with "chinese labor" are the result of the collapse of communism in that country, where now the few industrialists will exploit the many undereducated poor in order to maintain lucrative manufacturing deals with western countries, all in order to line their own pockets.
This is called capitalism; an industrial-societal complex driven by the aquisition of money.
Everyone keeps complaining about Hisisy and Bokeli...I find it rather annoying since I used to make decent money off farming teleports with my WHM. No one has ever talked about how to get rid of them, or maybe you have and I haven't seen it...anyway.
Solution: Get everyone you know to blacklist Hisisy and Bokeli. This would be very easy. I mean really...how long does it take for word to spread about a bad player? News spreads from LS to LS very quickly and this could be easily implimented.
There are many other WHM's in Jeuno trying to farm teleports as well. Blacklisting Hisisy and Bokeli will not keep you from getting a teleport. Also, if more and more WHM's learn that the two teleport whores who have been stealing their business just to make a few bucks have been blacklisted and denied, more and more teleport farmers will come back.
I myself have recieved teleports from both of them, regretfully. I usually wait for a shout from someone I know is really trying to make money...but I won't wait that long.
Solution: Get everyone you know to blacklist Hisisy and Bokeli. This would be very easy. I mean really...how long does it take for word to spread about a bad player? News spreads from LS to LS very quickly and this could be easily implimented.
There are many other WHM's in Jeuno trying to farm teleports as well. Blacklisting Hisisy and Bokeli will not keep you from getting a teleport. Also, if more and more WHM's learn that the two teleport whores who have been stealing their business just to make a few bucks have been blacklisted and denied, more and more teleport farmers will come back.
I myself have recieved teleports from both of them, regretfully. I usually wait for a shout from someone I know is really trying to make money...but I won't wait that long.
Oh n03s! Don't let the communists get me!
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