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So, right that was an interesting episode and by interesting I mean that I saw it coming. I don't think I can last until September.
CupDeNoodles wrote:
So, right that was an interesting episode and by interesting I mean that I saw it coming. I don't think I can last until September.
Yeah, not that great but not that bad imo either though. I never really doubted that Sung was in jail for having murdered the Doctor, ever since she reappeared really. What other dark secret could she have had regarding him? I didn't however see it coming that she was Amy and Rory's kid though. So I suppose she stole the Doctor's regenerating abilities just to survive herself, although that still can be the flesh version of the Doctor, not the real one I suppose. I'm not sure that the BBC is ready to end the series completely.
Being American, I didn't get to see the mid-season finale until last night. That being said:
I liked the episode. I thought that everyone showing up at key moments was slightly cheesey, but still fun. Just goes to show how powerful the Doctor really is, but it comes from all his relationships and companions. Either they didn't say, or I missed, how long they were hunting Amy. Rory seemed pretty infamous at the beginning there, the Cybermen seemed to be afraid of him (and the Doctor, of course).
The Amy/Rory and River Song thing. Kind of strange, still feels weird. I wonder if the latest writer had the Pond/River thing planned out from the last season. Seems like he may have.
I wonder who they are going to make the one-eyed lady be...
Question: I only recently started watching Doctor Who (Seen most of Tennant, but not all, and most of Christopher Eccleston). Was that young female soldier in a previous episode as a young girl? Or was the Doctor's relationship just created in this episode?
Edited, Jun 12th 2011 10:01am by TirithRR
I liked the episode. I thought that everyone showing up at key moments was slightly cheesey, but still fun. Just goes to show how powerful the Doctor really is, but it comes from all his relationships and companions. Either they didn't say, or I missed, how long they were hunting Amy. Rory seemed pretty infamous at the beginning there, the Cybermen seemed to be afraid of him (and the Doctor, of course).
The Amy/Rory and River Song thing. Kind of strange, still feels weird. I wonder if the latest writer had the Pond/River thing planned out from the last season. Seems like he may have.
I wonder who they are going to make the one-eyed lady be...
Question: I only recently started watching Doctor Who (Seen most of Tennant, but not all, and most of Christopher Eccleston). Was that young female soldier in a previous episode as a young girl? Or was the Doctor's relationship just created in this episode?
Edited, Jun 12th 2011 10:01am by TirithRR
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TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
Being American, I didn't get to see the mid-season finale until last night.
Being an American with an ounce of sense and a complete disregard for copyright law, I saw it last week. Just saying.
Turin wrote:
Being an American with an ounce of sense and a complete disregard for copyright law, I saw it last week. Just saying.
TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
Being American, I didn't get to see the mid-season finale until last night. That being said:
I liked the episode. I thought that everyone showing up at key moments was slightly cheesey, but still fun. Just goes to show how powerful the Doctor really is, but it comes from all his relationships and companions. Either they didn't say, or I missed, how long they were hunting Amy. Rory seemed pretty infamous at the beginning there, the Cybermen seemed to be afraid of him (and the Doctor, of course).
The Amy/Rory and River Song thing. Kind of strange, still feels weird. I wonder if the latest writer had the Pond/River thing planned out from the last season. Seems like he may have.
I wonder who they are going to make the one-eyed lady be...
Question: I only recently started watching Doctor Who (Seen most of Tennant, but not all, and most of Christopher Eccleston). Was that young female soldier in a previous episode as a young girl? Or was the Doctor's relationship just created in this episode?
Edited, Jun 12th 2011 10:01am by TirithRR
I liked the episode. I thought that everyone showing up at key moments was slightly cheesey, but still fun. Just goes to show how powerful the Doctor really is, but it comes from all his relationships and companions. Either they didn't say, or I missed, how long they were hunting Amy. Rory seemed pretty infamous at the beginning there, the Cybermen seemed to be afraid of him (and the Doctor, of course).
The Amy/Rory and River Song thing. Kind of strange, still feels weird. I wonder if the latest writer had the Pond/River thing planned out from the last season. Seems like he may have.
I wonder who they are going to make the one-eyed lady be...
Question: I only recently started watching Doctor Who (Seen most of Tennant, but not all, and most of Christopher Eccleston). Was that young female soldier in a previous episode as a young girl? Or was the Doctor's relationship just created in this episode?
Edited, Jun 12th 2011 10:01am by TirithRR
Based on the "River/Doctor Flow of Time" and what he said after she died, my guess is that he had not met the girl yet. They might make an episode out of it during the second half of the season.
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Attention, I have found evidence for the following items of interest: why the Doctor brought Amy on board, and how River could have been conceived.
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So... was my friend right about Amy's kid being River?
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Necroing this since didn't want to make a new thread but They are getting way to fast a loose with pacing the show. Young River is mad and is a weapon. Roey and Amy gets the biggest shaft a parent could get. IDK it just had to much self fulfilling proficiency in it. If you had seen it and the fing question turns out to be who is the doctor I will go Doctor Who writer hunting. I really just waant more in the way of the "Doctor's wife" then what Moffat been giving out. a two parter for the flesh but we get a rushed feel from a "Good man goes to war" and a clearly rushed "Lets kill Hitler.
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RavennofTitan wrote:
Necroing this since didn't want to make a new thread but They are getting way to fast a loose with pacing the show. Young River is mad and is a weapon. Roey and Amy gets the biggest shaft a parent could get. IDK it just had to much self fulfilling proficiency in it. If you had seen it and the fing question turns out to be who is the doctor I will go Doctor Who writer hunting. I really just waant more in the way of the "Doctor's wife" then what Moffat been giving out. a two parter for the flesh but we get a rushed feel from a "Good man goes to war" and a clearly rushed "Lets kill Hitler.
As far as self-fulfilling prophecy goes, welcome to time travel. It's a tricky business.
As for Rory and Amy getting the shaft: absolutely. I was thinking it the whole time myself. River can hardly even be called their child at this point, as the only "raising" they did of her was when she was the same age as they were, and certainly not as parents.
Really, I'm not upset with the episode. Just surprised that so much was revealed. Knowing Moffat though, I'm sure he has another trick or two up his sleeve. The first episode after a long break like this is always a big one, so I'm sure it'll slow back down next week. I'm looking forward to the rest of the season still, I just encourage you to be patient and see what happens.
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RavennofTitan wrote:
Necroing this since didn't want to make a new thread but They are getting way to fast a loose with pacing the show. Young River is mad and is a weapon. Roey and Amy gets the biggest shaft a parent could get. IDK it just had to much self fulfilling proficiency in it. If you had seen it and the fing question turns out to be who is the doctor I will go Doctor Who writer hunting. I really just waant more in the way of the "Doctor's wife" then what Moffat been giving out. a two parter for the flesh but we get a rushed feel from a "Good man goes to war" and a clearly rushed "Lets kill Hitler.
As far as self-fulfilling prophecy goes, welcome to time travel. It's a tricky business.
As for Rory and Amy getting the shaft: absolutely. I was thinking it the whole time myself. River can hardly even be called their child at this point, as the only "raising" they did of her was when she was the same age as they were, and certainly not as parents.
Really, I'm not upset with the episode. Just surprised that so much was revealed. Knowing Moffat though, I'm sure he has another trick or two up his sleeve. The first episode after a long break like this is always a big one, so I'm sure it'll slow back down next week. I'm looking forward to the rest of the season still, I just encourage you to be patient and see what happens.
I expect a certain amount of it but self fulfilling but this went a little over the top. I just really most upset about how we got a 2 part for a plot device for the flesh that would had been better spent on River's story and pacing or the the heart to heart I'm sure River had with Amy and Rory and she wouldn't even have to spoil anything just a more touching scene then what we got.
I love River and had since "The silence in the Library". You know and the doctor knows the whole time that must always happen and he can only save her mind in the computer. Then the whole thing of him dodging Amy question if he ever had children which in "The Doctor's daughter" he freely admits to having children which we can only assume that in the last one with the master that either the woman was either his mother, wife or his real daughter by birth. Idk about Moffat he better pull a white rabbit out his bum after this and have really good reason to have rushed this.
RavennofTitan wrote:
Daimakaicho, Eater of Souls wrote:
RavennofTitan wrote:
Necroing this since didn't want to make a new thread but They are getting way to fast a loose with pacing the show. Young River is mad and is a weapon. Roey and Amy gets the biggest shaft a parent could get. IDK it just had to much self fulfilling proficiency in it. If you had seen it and the fing question turns out to be who is the doctor I will go Doctor Who writer hunting. I really just waant more in the way of the "Doctor's wife" then what Moffat been giving out. a two parter for the flesh but we get a rushed feel from a "Good man goes to war" and a clearly rushed "Lets kill Hitler.
As far as self-fulfilling prophecy goes, welcome to time travel. It's a tricky business.
As for Rory and Amy getting the shaft: absolutely. I was thinking it the whole time myself. River can hardly even be called their child at this point, as the only "raising" they did of her was when she was the same age as they were, and certainly not as parents.
Really, I'm not upset with the episode. Just surprised that so much was revealed. Knowing Moffat though, I'm sure he has another trick or two up his sleeve. The first episode after a long break like this is always a big one, so I'm sure it'll slow back down next week. I'm looking forward to the rest of the season still, I just encourage you to be patient and see what happens.
I expect a certain amount of it but self fulfilling but this went a little over the top. I just really most upset about how we got a 2 part for a plot device for the flesh that would had been better spent on River's story and pacing or the the heart to heart I'm sure River had with Amy and Rory and she wouldn't even have to spoil anything just a more touching scene then what we got.
I love River and had since "The silence in the Library". You know and the doctor knows the whole time that must always happen and he can only save her mind in the computer. Then the whole thing of him dodging Amy question if he ever had children which in "The Doctor's daughter" he freely admits to having children which we can only assume that in the last one with the master that either the woman was either his mother, wife or his real daughter by birth. Idk about Moffat he better pull a white rabbit out his bum after this and have really good reason to have rushed this.
I think it's accepted that the two female Timelords that appeared hiding their faces with the President were the Doctor's and Master's mothers. My brother mentioned a Podcast. As far as the question of the doctor's daughter and his answer, I think there is more to his life in the older shows (pre-Eccleston), including a female Timelord (not Donna)
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Yeah its just the needless side stepping I mean it was ok for Donna to know. Lolgaxe said it best in the Bleach thread when he was talking about American comic books being official fanfiction. Moffat should hand over the writing to someone else or hand of running the show to someone else not do both. I jus would like to see move like "The Doctors Wife" and less of 2 parter plot devices like the Flesh. Using the two parts would had been better used for "Lets kill Hitler"
kinda meh showing this week too. It really getting old the reusing of plots but now its Amy who waits not Rory. Only good point is him and River are the only ones who really call him out on the way things happen with his companions or people close to him. Still the pacing and order of this season is weird.
Also TirithRR sorry never got around to responding to what you brought up but yeah eight was fresh from the time war when he sacrifice all the other time lords to stop their plans. Until the 2005 reboot there were many other time lords. If Amy and Rory are willing to accept his genocide of his own people(noble as it was) why can't they accept he might have had children no reason again for the needless side stepping.
Moffat better be able to pull something out his butt to make this season make sense and reason why its look like it was filmed in a schizophrenic's head
Also TirithRR sorry never got around to responding to what you brought up but yeah eight was fresh from the time war when he sacrifice all the other time lords to stop their plans. Until the 2005 reboot there were many other time lords. If Amy and Rory are willing to accept his genocide of his own people(noble as it was) why can't they accept he might have had children no reason again for the needless side stepping.
Moffat better be able to pull something out his butt to make this season make sense and reason why its look like it was filmed in a schizophrenic's head
The last two episodes have been filler, next one also looks like filler. Wtf?
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I don't like the mix of main plot episodes they this season. I prefer the mix from past season were every episode drop a little hint or just the something out of place like Bad wolf from season one.
This past one would had been a bit more coherent if Amy and Rory called out the Doctor on the one thing right up there with being stuck for 36 years. Yet Rory doesn't say anything about River or not getting to raise her their own daughter. If Rory had came out and said they were only still traveling with him in hopes of seeing their daughter that would have added a little bit to the story and at least connected it to the first half of the season. Moffat needs to pick a show and and stop Running and writing for two.
This past one would had been a bit more coherent if Amy and Rory called out the Doctor on the one thing right up there with being stuck for 36 years. Yet Rory doesn't say anything about River or not getting to raise her their own daughter. If Rory had came out and said they were only still traveling with him in hopes of seeing their daughter that would have added a little bit to the story and at least connected it to the first half of the season. Moffat needs to pick a show and and stop Running and writing for two.
Keep in mind that Moffat hasn't written the last two episodes. That's how I always view these filler episodes, as giving someone else a chance to take the lead with the script once in a while. Now don't get me wrong, I agree completely that there should be some connection to the overarching plot. But realize that even last season, not every episode had something to do with with the main theme. Sure, there was a crack in every episode, but in most of the episodes it only showed up at the very end and had absolutely nothing to do with the episode itself. I think why it felt different was because there was so much more mystery behind it. Then, we were all like "WTF is that crack and what does it mean?!?" Whereas now, it's more like "oh man, the Doctor has to prevent himself from dying. Wonder how he'll do it this time..." Less anticipation for this one, especially when the only tease we get to see is the screen with his death date.
So yeah, last season felt more exciting, but I think there was just as much "filler" then as there is in this season. However, I also don't think there's anything wrong with filler. It's unrealistic to expect every single episode to touch on the main plot. Sometimes you just want to have an episode about something else entirely, and not have to worry about shoving the main plot in there. Sure, it would be nice to do that, and it's not impossible, but we shouldn't expect it either. This last episode was still pretty good I thought (yes, the waiting thing has been done before, but I thought they made old Amy different enough (i.e. more cynical and angry) to make it not only feel like its own story, but also more "realistic"). I really appreciated the fact that she called the Doctor out like that; it's always satisfying when that happens and we get a little more perspective on him and see that he is far from perfect.
So yeah, last season felt more exciting, but I think there was just as much "filler" then as there is in this season. However, I also don't think there's anything wrong with filler. It's unrealistic to expect every single episode to touch on the main plot. Sometimes you just want to have an episode about something else entirely, and not have to worry about shoving the main plot in there. Sure, it would be nice to do that, and it's not impossible, but we shouldn't expect it either. This last episode was still pretty good I thought (yes, the waiting thing has been done before, but I thought they made old Amy different enough (i.e. more cynical and angry) to make it not only feel like its own story, but also more "realistic"). I really appreciated the fact that she called the Doctor out like that; it's always satisfying when that happens and we get a little more perspective on him and see that he is far from perfect.
I missed the first showing had to wait for the late showing of this weeks episode. This one is ok the Doctor is forced to admit that death just follows him around. Though even this feels a bit of reusing a old plot device to leave his companions with a little bit of a twist. I think Ace left the Doctor for that fact.
As to the Doctor having children, I think there's a David Tennant episode where they visit a planet at war, where they have machines that grow fully adult soldiers from the DNA of adults. Before the Doctor knows what happened, a machine spits out a 20-something woman who has his DNA, and is his daughter by genetic standards.
Complete Episode Spoiler: The daughter, The Doctor and the companion (I forget which one) run around saving the day and bringing peace, before the daughter heroically dies saving someone from a last minute assassination. She dies in the Doctor's arms, and he cries over her body, then leaves on the Tardis. Back on the planet, the Daughter revives, then commandeers a spaceship, so she can go off and see the universe.
I liked the latest episode, and old Amy. What was most glaringly missing for me, was that Amy complained about waiting for Rory and the Doctor for 40 years, but no-one seemed to remember Rory waited 2000 years for Amy previously. Rory at least is more than even for "failing" Amy in that instance.
Somehow I doubt River Song really feels much like Amy and Rory's child to them, except in theory. Remember, neither Rory nor Amy were conscious of the pregnancy until the very last second. They had no time in which to dwell about becoming parents, and envisioning raising a child together. They've pretty much always related to River as another adult.
Complete Episode Spoiler: The daughter, The Doctor and the companion (I forget which one) run around saving the day and bringing peace, before the daughter heroically dies saving someone from a last minute assassination. She dies in the Doctor's arms, and he cries over her body, then leaves on the Tardis. Back on the planet, the Daughter revives, then commandeers a spaceship, so she can go off and see the universe.
I liked the latest episode, and old Amy. What was most glaringly missing for me, was that Amy complained about waiting for Rory and the Doctor for 40 years, but no-one seemed to remember Rory waited 2000 years for Amy previously. Rory at least is more than even for "failing" Amy in that instance.
Somehow I doubt River Song really feels much like Amy and Rory's child to them, except in theory. Remember, neither Rory nor Amy were conscious of the pregnancy until the very last second. They had no time in which to dwell about becoming parents, and envisioning raising a child together. They've pretty much always related to River as another adult.
Aripyanfar wrote:
I liked the latest episode, and old Amy. What was most glaringly missing for me, was that Amy complained about waiting for Rory and the Doctor for 40 years, but no-one seemed to remember Rory waited 2000 years for Amy previously. Rory at least is more than even for "failing" Amy in that instance.
I kept thinking that during the episode. That Rory waited and protected Amy for 2000 years, never getting to see her, and only relying on the Doctor's Word that she was even still alive. But Rory never brought it up. Forgetful writing from the writers, probably. But easily explained off by Rory's personality being very timid around Amy. I don't think he'd have the balls to stand up to her in a moment like that.
I did enjoy the last episode, with the hotel and fears. I am curious what the Doctor saw in his room. If it was even anyone. I'd imagine, given the direction the episode went, that being alone was his greatest fear. His "Of course, it could only be you" moment could have been a kind of ironic statement, that the room was actually empty.
I'm also curious how they plan on wrapping up this season with pretty much every episode in the second half so far being filler and non-story related characterization moments.
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Aripyanfar wrote:
As to the Doctor having children, I think there's a David Tennant episode where they visit a planet at war, where they have machines that grow fully adult soldiers from the DNA of adults. Before the Doctor knows what happened, a machine spits out a 20-something woman who has his DNA, and is his daughter by genetic standards.
Complete Episode Spoiler: The daughter, The Doctor and the companion (I forget which one) run around saving the day and bringing peace, before the daughter heroically dies saving someone from a last minute assassination. She dies in the Doctor's arms, and he cries over her body, then leaves on the Tardis. Back on the planet, the Daughter revives, then commandeers a spaceship, so she can go off and see the universe.
I liked the latest episode, and old Amy. What was most glaringly missing for me, was that Amy complained about waiting for Rory and the Doctor for 40 years, but no-one seemed to remember Rory waited 2000 years for Amy previously. Rory at least is more than even for "failing" Amy in that instance.
Somehow I doubt River Song really feels much like Amy and Rory's child to them, except in theory. Remember, neither Rory nor Amy were conscious of the pregnancy until the very last second. They had no time in which to dwell about becoming parents, and envisioning raising a child together. They've pretty much always related to River as another adult.
Complete Episode Spoiler: The daughter, The Doctor and the companion (I forget which one) run around saving the day and bringing peace, before the daughter heroically dies saving someone from a last minute assassination. She dies in the Doctor's arms, and he cries over her body, then leaves on the Tardis. Back on the planet, the Daughter revives, then commandeers a spaceship, so she can go off and see the universe.
I liked the latest episode, and old Amy. What was most glaringly missing for me, was that Amy complained about waiting for Rory and the Doctor for 40 years, but no-one seemed to remember Rory waited 2000 years for Amy previously. Rory at least is more than even for "failing" Amy in that instance.
Somehow I doubt River Song really feels much like Amy and Rory's child to them, except in theory. Remember, neither Rory nor Amy were conscious of the pregnancy until the very last second. They had no time in which to dwell about becoming parents, and envisioning raising a child together. They've pretty much always related to River as another adult.
You never seen "I didn't know I was pregnant". As far as companions getting the shaft this is right up there with Donna and Jack.There was spoilers on TWOP site and the last episode is titled "The wedding of River Song" He will be going back to Lake Silencio. only two main story plots episodes with one hint episode in the sec half of the season. Only reason I can think of is they wanted a cliff hanger for the mid season break.
TirithRR wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
I liked the latest episode, and old Amy. What was most glaringly missing for me, was that Amy complained about waiting for Rory and the Doctor for 40 years, but no-one seemed to remember Rory waited 2000 years for Amy previously. Rory at least is more than even for "failing" Amy in that instance.
I kept thinking that during the episode. That Rory waited and protected Amy for 2000 years, never getting to see her, and only relying on the Doctor's Word that she was even still alive. But Rory never brought it up. Forgetful writing from the writers, probably. But easily explained off by Rory's personality being very timid around Amy. I don't think he'd have the balls to stand up to her in a moment like that.
I did enjoy the last episode, with the hotel and fears. I am curious what the Doctor saw in his room. If it was even anyone. I'd imagine, given the direction the episode went, that being alone was his greatest fear. His "Of course, it could only be you" moment could have been a kind of ironic statement, that the room was actually empty.
I'm also curious how they plan on wrapping up this season with pretty much every episode in the second half so far being filler and non-story related characterization moments.
I think he saw himself, or River maybe but my money's on himself.
I seem to recall that Rory doesn't remember the 2000 years he waited most of the time. As he described it, it's like a door in his mind that he can only occasionally open.
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