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#1 Jan 04 2006 at 7:11 PM Rating: Default
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To all of Sylph,

Im going to give this one shot and hope this isn't meet with to much flaming. But this is sylph so I will still try.

I am Crazypluto, I have been the leader of BlackRoses for a 1yr now and still am leader. Yes I was caught speed hacking, I will tell you, it was never worth it. The loss of my long time chars was something to feel really down about. I never thought of how much I would miss my linkshell and **** even some of the bashing we get. /smile. But honestly the "Hacks" that myself or even some of the members never could give us "Inviciblitly or the Abilty to kill things in one Shot" or have been the edge needed to win anything. Only hack that myself used could only help you run threw zones faster, not saying it was now worth being able to run to a zone faster then others. I have learned my lesson and will not hack again and others that have been caught understand it was not worth it. Also for those that do hack understand you will be caught sometime. Trust me losing access to your chars suck, if you truly love this game.

The million dollar question is "Did CP's Account get Banned?" Well that I will leave to the masses. Draw your own opionons and what not. But understand I am still leader of Blackroses with a council of officers that decide all that we do. Im not by no means a tyrant and do appriecate all my linkshell members for following me and standing next to me and truly knowning what Myself "CP" is all about.

Finaly if you can be please be civil under this thread. And for everyone trying to break BlackRoses by bashing us consantly brings us closer together as a family. Just a small question for you all. If your family was having certain issues would you be so quick to ditch them? Most families would stay with eachother threw think and thin. Myself and others in BlackRoses will always stand firm and continue to have fun and do great things.




Reformed Leader of BlackRoses,
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P.S Yes Sylph , I am Sorry. Please Accept Apology.


Edited, Wed Jan 4 19:21:05 2006 by crazypluto
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#2 Jan 04 2006 at 7:16 PM Rating: Default
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#3CarverSylph, Posted: Jan 04 2006 at 7:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) takes a lot of juevos to come out and make a clarification like that.
#4 Jan 04 2006 at 7:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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What? No apology?

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#5 Jan 04 2006 at 7:18 PM Rating: Default
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I for one hope this ends some of the things being said these days, about BR. As Crazypluto said, we are a family, and we do stick together. We work hard to be where we are and harder still to get where we want to be. Have fun in all you do.

Edited, Wed Jan 4 19:19:15 2006 by Aircrow

Edited, Wed Jan 4 19:19:39 2006 by Aircrow
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#6 Jan 04 2006 at 7:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Don't worry about it CP. The real members of BR know what we're about and what we stand for, and we're BR for life. We will be the most powerful NA linkshell on this server soon, and it won't matter what they think.

Keep your head up CP, and everyone else needs to remember that this is a game.
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#7 Jan 04 2006 at 7:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not trying to start a flame thread or w/e but whats the point of this thread?
You are telling us you got banned and are still in game? Because we already know this. We already know that you now play the character of Jrcrazyp. Unfortunatly for you you have dragged your own name through the dirt and your Linkshell aswell.
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#8 Jan 04 2006 at 7:26 PM Rating: Good
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"Carver" wrote:
takes a lot of juevos to come out and make a clarification like that.

/cry, /salute



Says the person that was suspended for 72 hours for speed hacking.

Basically everyone knows that CP's account got banned.

As for learning your lesson, I guess time will have to tell.

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Edited, Wed Jan 4 19:34:29 2006 by buddweiser

Edited, Wed Jan 4 19:35:08 2006 by buddweiser
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#9 Jan 04 2006 at 7:46 PM Rating: Decent
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"Keep your head up CP, and everyone else needs to remember that this is a game."

A game? If its a game why do you need to hack to get what you want? Can't you just work hard like other more respectable LS? Do you really need to MPK other people who are just having a good time enjoying the recreational aspect of the game? Honestly now, lets be serious.
#10 Jan 04 2006 at 7:48 PM Rating: Good
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It's nice to see an apology, it get's worse if you say you only used stuff to run faster and we see a picture of you standing over Behemoth's dominion as if you are God... Get's even worse if you get your partner in crime to come in and call it guts to do this.
You're an inch away from creating a sockpuppet and hold conversations with yourself.

Dunno... Guess it's just me but after your previous posts about this topic I can't really take this too seriously.
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#11 Jan 04 2006 at 8:45 PM Rating: Good
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In FFXI, as well as other MMORPG I'd imagine, there are certain things that earn you a "scarlet letter". These include:

-Botting
-Buying currency
-Assisting RMT
-MPK and other grief tactics

Now, for the most part these are all things that are not specific rules. They cannot be monitored easily, and require integrity from the players who enjoy the game. These are things that are required of the people who control the charachter, not the GM or other authority figures.

Now, Crazypluto says that he never used any hacks to make it easier to kill HNM, or to claim them. But how can we trust the word of someone who has been caught hacking? With his integrity now questionable, can we really believe that you would stop with teleport hacks, and not use tools to help you claim or kill mobs easier? Personally, I do not believe you. I don't see why you would stop at small time things, when you could have it all. What is the difference in temptation, where do you draw the line?

I don't know about everyone, but I personally cannot trust his word. I can appreciate his remorse about the loss of his charachter as a result of his own actions, but here is the real issue: Would you really be so full of remorse and sadness had you not been caught? My gut instinct says no.

And for those who are saying that you are sticking by your leader and your LS, good for you. But know that guilt by association is a very real thing, and just like the family of a man who beats his wife, when word gets out, you aren't known as the Jenkins, but as the family who is beaten by their father. It is a sad reality to accept, but reality nonetheless.

While I can say that there are some very kind people in BR, the sad fact of the matter is that the evils that have come into play far outweigh the good in the LS. People do their best to have a good image of themselves, not for their own ego, but because they have a true desire to do right by people. Actions like this are selfish and do more harm to the peopel involved than good.

From now on, every accomplishment that BR does will be called into question. And sure, some of you may not care about it, because **** at the end of the day you are after items and for people to /check you and say "Wow!".

But I have a question for you:

Where is the feeling of accomplishment that comes from defeating something honestly? Where is your memory of victory on terms not set forth by yourself or your friends? Where is your integrity, your pride, your own moral sense of being?

Cheating gives you an empty sense of achievement. You may have the items or title to show for it, but they are nothing when measured up against honest players.

I'd suggest to the honest members of BR to walk with your reputation still intact, but I know that you won't. I admire your constitution, but know that from this point on, you are digging your own grave, which has been started by Crazypluto.
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#12 Jan 04 2006 at 8:45 PM Rating: Good
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dont really know what you expect to get from this post other than to say that your account was banned. BR hasnt had a great rep from other posts and accused hnm steal (true or not idk) but if the Leader of a recognized LS admits to "only using speed hacks". thats like saying i smoke weed but dont inhale, does that make it any better?.

Personally i see this as a permanent smear on the BR rep wether you apologize or not means nothing.

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#13 Jan 04 2006 at 8:46 PM Rating: Default
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To Quote Crazy Pluto:
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But honestly the "Hacks" that myself or even some of the members never could give us "Inviciblitly or the Abilty to kill things in one Shot" or have been the edge needed to win anything. Only hack that myself used


So you are saying that you cheated, AND you KNEW that some of your members cheated? LOLZ LOLZ LOLZ, Blackroses is teh cheatzorz!
#14 Jan 04 2006 at 8:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Blackroses is teh cheatzorz


I believe the phrase is now:

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#15 Jan 04 2006 at 11:36 PM Rating: Default
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Here's an idea:

Stop giving a f*ck about other people's LS's and just worry about your own thing for awhile. So what CP cheated? Does it effect any of you? (Counterpoint: "omg yes he got claim on xxx mob that our LS was camping! He might have claimed it by cheating!" So what? It's not as if the mob won't repop again another day. Move on)

Why the **** are people in this **** game so utterly concerned with what other people are doing? Just worry about yourselves, and stop constantly attacking each other and -maybe- Sylph wouldn't be such a sh*thole.

As long as anything BR or any other LS is doing doesn't directly effect you or your enjoyment of the game, then who gives a sh*t? Move on, play the game to have fun, not to sit around and thrash on each other all day.

Seriously, many of us graduated from high school years ago, and don't want to pay $15 a month to act like we're back in it.

While yea, it sucks that CP may very well have been banned for Hacking-who cares? Does it effect you? No. He was punished, that should be the end of it there. Move on, stop giving a **** about what -other- people are doing. Ya'll may hate on BR, but they've been together a **** long time, and like it or not, that says something good about their friendship structure. So who cares what keeps them together. They're happy, it's none of anyone else's damned business.

People in this game think it's their SE-given right to trash others, and obsess over what other people are doing in the game, and you know what? It's not. Grow up, mind your own damned business, and move the f*ck on with yourselves.

You all act like CrazyPluto and BlackRoses are the worst thing ever, when quite frankly, everyone else obsessing over them is just as bad, if not worse. You all should be more mature than this. I'm not defending his alleged cheating. Quite frankly, I could care less if he did or didn't hack, and if his account was or was not banned. Why? It's not really my business or my concern. I don't know him, I never partied with him, he never stole anything from me, so I don't care.

Mind your own business. Everyone who pays to play this game has a right to enjoy it, and as long as they don't break the rules, they can do what they please. If they do break the rules, then they get banned, life goes on. Either way, it's no one's concern.

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#16 Jan 04 2006 at 11:53 PM Rating: Good
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actually, no. Who cares if it pops the next day? You spent 2 hours camping for something to pop so some cheater claims it while they are watching tv? Oh good, we can wait another day for it to pop, just so they can do it again.

And if they beat something by cheating, they get recognition for beating something that would be much much harder for someone else to beat. That kinda lessens your achievement.

Not caring about other people is complete bs. Go play a single player game, this is what mmo is all about: playing with other people, good or bad.

as for cp, im glad you apologized. This post should have been posted a bit earlier though.

edit: by the way, the examples i posted earlier isnt meant at what br has done. Just general cheating

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Edited, Thu Jan 5 00:01:26 2006 by dinary
#17 Jan 05 2006 at 12:10 AM Rating: Decent
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qwooo

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#18 Jan 05 2006 at 12:22 AM Rating: Default
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Shotie, how do you have time to troll these forums with ping beating you so you log off of wow everyday when he comes home from work?

you dont play this game anymore, dont come on the forums.

you used to freak out over **** 24/7... you say its just a game, but who ******* cried irl when stuff didnt go your way?

Oh, and you may have graduated from high school, but you're mooching off of ping.. if he dumped your *** tomorrow, you'd be back in the trailer park suckin Di*k for cash.

hacking affects all of us because it gives them an unfair advantage, simple as that.

one last thing, cp isnt the worst thing ever, you are. stay off our forums and go play wow, unless they're hating the **** out of you like all of sylph does.

thank you, and good day
#19GregoryPeck, Posted: Jan 05 2006 at 12:36 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Holy ****** I was laughin my **** off. This is far worse than I'd do, you raise the bar on me my brother. Cheers mate! Next round is on me! I reckon she wouldn't be rogering blokes for cash, though...likely gil or gold.
#20 Jan 05 2006 at 12:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Shotie wrote:
Stop giving a f*ck about other people's LS's and just worry about your own thing for awhile. So what CP cheated? Does it effect any of you?
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As long as anything BR or any other LS is doing doesn't directly effect you or your enjoyment of the game, then who gives a sh*t? <snip>
While yea, it sucks that CP may very well have been banned for Hacking-who cares? Does it effect you? No. He was punished, that should be the end of it there.
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Quite frankly, I could care less if he did or didn't hack, and if his account was or was not banned. Why? It's not really my business or my concern. I don't know him, I never partied with him, he never stole anything from me, so I don't care.
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Kinda reminds me of this, albeit on an entirely different scale...

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Hey! If the hacking doesn't affect me, then it must be okay!

It's a slippery slope. People need to care about cheating -- whether it's cheating in this LS or another LS or wherever. If it's condoned by the leader of a well known linkshell, then where else?

When did it become okay to cheat in a game with an online community so long as it doesn't affect you?

It's still wrong. It will always be wrong. It's wrong, it's pathetic, it's disgusting, and it does in fact affect us all, because it spreads.

My question is... if Carver got a tempban for hacking, then how many times did CP have to get caught before getting his account banned? Was he only "sorry" for what he did after the last time, when he actually lost something?
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#21 Jan 05 2006 at 1:15 AM Rating: Decent
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I love how idiots like Lavaroach try to talk like big men but hide behind a sock puppet character and don't post their in game name. Coward.
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#22 Jan 05 2006 at 1:21 AM Rating: Default
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Its good to see some people show there true face's. I dont know any of you. I dont truely care what you do... **** I used a fish bot back in the day. Stoped because it COMPLETLY RUINED my gameing EXPERIENCE. IAt first i thought it was cool that it would fish on its own.. Then after watching it like tv for maney hours it occured to me. If i have ot auto mate a process in a game it must not be something I enjoy doing. **** i used the choco tool thing once or twice (it was really three times..) I just did it to see... **** curiosity. Also used the flee tool like 3-4 times. Tryed the teleport tool twice and it freaked me out way to much.. Somthing about flying through a zone made me think twice about ever useing it again... I dont use any tool's, script's or bot's. Not even a windower. It's not because I have been warned once or have been causght. Its because I find it pointless.

I dont understand defending what he's done.
Guilty conscience ways heavy... I never tryed to justify what I was doing. I knew it was wrong. I know it gave me an unfair advantage over other players. To try and reason that is ignorent. Saying it doesnt affect others is close minded. How is being able to flee to one spawn to another not affect other's camping it. Some fool said so what it will spawn again... Yea so what it will spawn again, you lower yourselves to useing a cheating tool to beat someone to something in a video game. The other reason its not inteligent to defend a hacking tool is its a hacking tool.. If it was a simple bot that was not altering the game memory, it is delt with a temporary ban unless you allready have a strike on your account.
If it's a hacking tool such as argus,flee,choco and all that other wacked out reverse enginered japeneese hacking tools.

If sylph is a **** hole migrate. Im sure that there will be another migration in the near future, why not go there if sylph is so so bad. Mabey there isnt drama on any other server. Oh wait its a mmorpg, where a bunch of people from young teens to 50+++++ play a game together. Wait most of them are anti social and cling to there online lives. You obviously like the drama if your in it so much. There are hundred's of people on sylph who arent allways up in the drama. Mabey you require a slight bit of drama so your not bored, i dunno id have to diagnose you in person. So please if sylph suck's so much migrate, or make a new charecter on a diffrent server and reside there. **** i have afew friends who decided sylph wasnt there cup of tea and made new toons or moved. Its simple, its new and its an aventure which this game was all about when i first started.
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#23 Jan 05 2006 at 1:25 AM Rating: Default
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Here's an idea:

Stop giving a f*ck about other people's LS's and just worry about your own thing for awhile. So what CP cheated? Does it effect any of you? (Counterpoint: "omg yes he got claim on xxx mob that our LS was camping! He might have claimed it by cheating!" So what? It's not as if the mob won't repop again another day. Move on)

Why the **** are people in this **** game so utterly concerned with what other people are doing? Just worry about yourselves, and stop constantly attacking each other and -maybe- Sylph wouldn't be such a sh*thole.

As long as anything BR or any other LS is doing doesn't directly effect you or your enjoyment of the game, then who gives a sh*t? Move on, play the game to have fun, not to sit around and thrash on each other all day.

Seriously, many of us graduated from high school years ago, and don't want to pay $15 a month to act like we're back in it.

While yea, it sucks that CP may very well have been banned for Hacking-who cares? Does it effect you? No. He was punished, that should be the end of it there. Move on, stop giving a **** about what -other- people are doing. Ya'll may hate on BR, but they've been together a **** long time, and like it or not, that says something good about their friendship structure. So who cares what keeps them together. They're happy, it's none of anyone else's damned business.

People in this game think it's their SE-given right to trash others, and obsess over what other people are doing in the game, and you know what? It's not. Grow up, mind your own damned business, and move the f*ck on with yourselves.

You all act like CrazyPluto and BlackRoses are the worst thing ever, when quite frankly, everyone else obsessing over them is just as bad, if not worse. You all should be more mature than this. I'm not defending his alleged cheating. Quite frankly, I could care less if he did or didn't hack, and if his account was or was not banned. Why? It's not really my business or my concern. I don't know him, I never partied with him, he never stole anything from me, so I don't care.

Mind your own business. Everyone who pays to play this game has a right to enjoy it, and as long as they don't break the rules, they can do what they please. If they do break the rules, then they get banned, life goes on. Either way, it's no one's concern.





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#24 Jan 05 2006 at 1:28 AM Rating: Default
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Seriously, many of us graduated from high school years ago, and don't want to pay $15 a month to act like we're back in it.


So thats why you don't pay the 15$ anymore and act like it for free?

Just trying to understand where your comeing from with all this..
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#26 Jan 05 2006 at 1:53 AM Rating: Decent
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lol u really hacked? i always thought poeple was making stuff up. well i guess its kinda good since GM actully do somthing...
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lol axile. GM's do something sometimes... just takes loooooooong time.
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#28 Jan 05 2006 at 3:00 AM Rating: Default
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hehe this is better than reality tv!

Next up on the Sylph channel...

rofl!!
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#29 Jan 05 2006 at 3:15 AM Rating: Default
Orli Said
"You're an inch away from creating a sockpuppet and hold conversations with yourself."


SuperMarioGalka (A person with 3 posts) said
"o you are saying that you cheated, AND you KNEW that some of your members cheated? LOLZ LOLZ LOLZ, Blackroses is teh cheatzorz!"

Is it just me or does the 2nd one sound like CP did MANY MANY posts ago idk seems like Orli might be right lol

I suck doing quotes

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#30 Jan 05 2006 at 3:46 AM Rating: Good
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if he wanted us to mind our own business he wouldnt have posted on a public thread :)

to be honest i actually felt bad reading this thread...BR no mater how respected (or disrespected for that matter) they are amongst other ls's is one of the longest lasting NA ls's on sylph....to me that warrents some credit...and definitely some respect! thanks for the apology CP. Truth be told....BR has very skilled players, can work together, can kill big things, and can run very fast :)

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#31 Jan 05 2006 at 4:25 AM Rating: Decent
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The honesty is appreciated. Now the jokes about BR hacking are better because they have TRUTH to them.

I dunno. I want to feel bad for you CP, really, I do. I'm not a heartless person. But you admitted to having an LS full of people that cheat at video games. That's pretty darn low. If you admitted to being a child molestor in the past but you were getting serious therapy for it, I'd pity you as a human being, but I wouldn't leave my future son with you no matter how many doctors you went to.

I wouldn't have a problem fighting alongside BR members at non-camped NMs like Bahamut or sea gods or something, maybe, if I'm in a tolerant mood. But at camps like Behemoth or Fafnir, nah, you're just hackers. I'd rather see an RMT get it. At least they're using the money to feed their families.
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#32 Jan 05 2006 at 6:03 AM Rating: Good
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I'd make some kind of comment, but BR has now reached a level where they pwn themselves. Guess you don't need anyones help making yourselves look like retards anymore.
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#33 Jan 05 2006 at 9:29 AM Rating: Good
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Pohibaba wrote:
We will be the most powerful NA linkshell on this server soon, and it won't matter what they think.


This is why I don't look at BR in a good way.
You're incredibly full of yourself, I'm sure its not all members, but this person is, and I've seen it before.

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In FFXI, as well as other MMORPG I'd imagine, there are certain things that earn you a "scarlet letter". These include:

-Botting
-Buying currency
-Assisting RMT
-MPK and other grief tactics
-Being friends with someone who was assisted by RMT while actually never doing anything wrong him/herself


There, Credos, I fixed it for you.
>_>

Anyway, I have nothing against BR, CP cheated, I don't like cheaters. That's it.
Now don't do it again! >_>...

And if you bought a new account, I hope you're banned again, not personal, I just think its wrong to buy an account under any cercumstance(sp?).
/sarcasm
But hey! None of you care what other people's morals are!
So do anything you like to become the "Most powerful NA linkshell on the server."
/sarcasmoff

Editted cuz I suck at using quote thingy ._.

Edited, Thu Jan 5 09:29:54 2006 by Bottenmaru

Edited, Thu Jan 5 09:31:01 2006 by Bottenmaru
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#34 Jan 05 2006 at 11:02 AM Rating: Decent
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My record time for finishing Super Mario Bros. was 24 min, 22 seconds.
It was a record that was set in place in 22/04/88.
I was angry to find out that it was defeated by Crazypluto in under 12 minutes about 1 year ago, but then I found out he cheated so the record is officially mine again.
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I'm flattered so many people had to make sockpuppets to apparently flame me, because they're afraid their precious accounts will get karma-bombed, or worse yet-people might actually know who they are in the game.

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Shotie, how do you have time to troll these forums with ping beating you so you log off of wow everyday when he comes home from work?

Actually, I've re-read that like 3 times now and it still doesn't make any sense.

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you dont play this game anymore, dont come on the forums.

A lot of people don't play the game anymore and still visit. I didn't realize part of the paid FFXI subscription was the "priviledge" of posting here.

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you used to freak out over sh*t 24/7... you say its just a game, but who @#%^ing cried irl when stuff didnt go your way?

Aye, indeed I did. And I grew up and moved the f*ck on. I realized it was stupid, and unimportant and finally stopped caring. I only come here to keep up on friends.

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Oh, and you may have graduated from high school, but you're mooching off of ping.. if he dumped your *** tomorrow, you'd be back in the trailer park suckin Di*k for cash.

Oh my feelings. How will they ever recover from such a deep struck, utterly true blow at my personality and life? I shall have to log off Allakhazam forever, and have myself a good long cry over a bottle of Jack Daniels while comforting my 16 pit bulls. Of course, obviously since I post here at Alla, you have complete insight into my entire personal life, and know for a fact I'm not say, posting from work or something. Yeah, the average Allakhazam sockpuppet can't be expected to use it's brain, they're too busy thinking up weak attempts at flaming people or worrying about other people's Linkshells and stupid crap.

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hacking affects all of us because it gives them an unfair advantage, simple as that.

Yeah, but if he got busted, then that's the end of it. Move on. Shut the f*ck up.

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one last thing, cp isnt the worst thing ever, you are. stay off our forums and go play wow, unless they're hating the sh*t out of you like all of sylph does.

God yeah, they hate me soooo bad there. *nodnod* However do I get through a day without taking a razorblade to my wrists because people in online games or message boards don't just love me and think my sh*t smells like roses, I'll never know.

And wow...comparing hacking in a videogame to Hitler killing Jews?

Just wow. I am just so utterly sad someone drew that comparison.

Edited, Thu Jan 5 11:39:29 2006 by Shotie
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#36 Jan 05 2006 at 11:35 AM Rating: Good
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Again, this posting shows you don't understand the impact of your behavior on others in the community BESIDES BR members. For those who don't cheat, and especially those that don't cheat and have been beaten by you while you were cheating, it is a big deal.

Your "family" comment = BS. We actually have a murderer in my family. Do you think we haven't excommunicated from the family? Sure for small stuff, we're family. But there is a point it crosses the line. For our community, cheating to get ahead crosses that line.

Shotie, I used to respect you. but:

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Stop giving a f*ck about other people's LS's and just worry about your own thing for awhile. So what CP cheated? Does it effect any of you? (Counterpoint: "omg yes he got claim on xxx mob that our LS was camping! He might have claimed it by cheating!" So what? It's not as if the mob won't repop again another day. Move on)


Funny how you give that advice to the non-cheaters. Perhaps you should have shared it with the cheaters: "No need to cheat, the mob will repop another day." That comment alone certainly makes me rethink my belief of your defense that neither you nor your spouse got gil through illegitimate means. That with your "Stop giving a **** about what other people are doing" shows you are ignorant of the fact that one's, perhaps yours, illegitimate behavior has an effect or others.

In the bigger picture, for anyone defending these asshats with the "it's just a game comment," then encourage the cheaters to stop cheating. I mean why cheat if it's just a game? Totally hypocritical to use that as a defense for cheating.

I'm sorry, the "There are good members in BR" comment has worn thin. Your leader and your spokespeople, and new member are all of questionable ethics and admitted cheaters or, as in Scye's case, aides to RMT.

I don't care that our comments our making a Den of Thieves draw closer together. At least you will be easier to spot.
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#37 Jan 05 2006 at 11:43 AM Rating: Decent
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My point with my comment is:

People take this sh*t waaaaaaaaay too seriously. When I played, I played to attempt to have fun with people. But eventually, it just wasn't fun anymore, so I stopped. What made it not fun anymore was all this kind of drama and petty bickering and crap.

I'm not saying what he did wasn't wrong. But he was allegedly punished for it, so that should be the end of anyone caring, especially if his account got banned for doing it. If you think someone is cheating, then report them and move on. That should be the end of it, but it rarely is around here. Instead of ignoring people, people gossip like employees at a water cooler, secretly trying to trash each other's reputations behind their backs and the like. It's just....dumb.

Some day, when FFXI isn't around anymore, you'll do what a lot of us who aren't playing anymore do: You'll sit back and realize how incredibly, utterly retarded it is to get so upset over who gets what pretend digitial monster claim or drop, or who supposedly did what. It'll cease to matter. People take this way too seriously, like it's Serious Internets Business OMG.

Ah well, I suppose there's no point in my posting here, since All Of Sylph hate me (guess I'll go eat worms), and they'd rather start threads flaming me than, god forbid, actually be nice to one another. It's more important to band together and hate someone than it is to treat each other like humans, after all.
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#38 Jan 05 2006 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
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It's more important to band together and hate someone than it is to treat each other like humans, after all.


I'm sorry, I missed how CP's cheating was treating others like humans. Maybe you could explain how that was showing respect to other members of the community. Somehow, it escapes me.
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#39 Jan 05 2006 at 11:56 AM Rating: Default
I don't have much to say, I'm usually pretty quiet about these sorts of things, so i'll keep this short and simple, take it as you will. To label an entire LS off the actions of 2-3 people is totaly ignorant no matter what course of action those 2-3 people took. "example" Today a man was brutally slain by 2 black men with close ties to a gang refered to as "The Bloods". By reading that does this mean that all black men are mac10 toating gang banging murderers? Sorry but no, and to label honest members of my linkshell including myself with a title such as Hackroses makes you no better than the local racist screaming out ****** everytime he sees a black man. You should be ashamed of yourself and really need to get in touch with your morale sense of values. I'm not saying what they did was right, but they are grown men and thier decisions thier own, they knew the consequences and they paid the price, many of us choose a different path but we chose to stick together because of who we are, no matter what you say or what you do that will never change unless we make it so. Other than that theres not much really to say, I'm a proud member of BR, probably always will be for as long as I play this game, I don't cheat or hack, and for you to be prejudice towards me simply because of my relation to people on this server just proves what an ignorant biggot you are so keep your hate /tells to yourself, my blacklist is getting full. Anywho time to wrap it up, and in the words of "The Man" himself, may the first among you without sin cast the first stone.

Edited, Thu Jan 5 13:58:19 2006 by GalkanThiefSachmo
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#40 Jan 05 2006 at 12:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Every time someone tries to defend CP or BR, I look at their sig, and see something like this.

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Give it up, you're just making yourself seem even worse. I guess you guys think it was honorable or some **** for CP to start this thread. That's just ignorant.

People don't like BR for some reason or another. Rumors of cheating, maybe you've had a bad run in with more then one of it's members, or maybe people who were in it a long time ago gave you some insight. Whatever reason it was doesn't matter now.

BR is ruined. It is over, if any of you had any sense you'd just implode BR, go your seperate ways and try to rebuild your rep.

Arguing this is stupid, trying to defend CP or BR is stupid. You people in BR want this to end? Break the shell and move on, because this **** is going to follow you the rest of the time you play XI unless you take action.
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#41 Jan 05 2006 at 12:31 PM Rating: Default
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Hay guyz howz it go...afdl;skjflsdkjfl;ajsdlfk HOLY CRAP THE FLAMEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH D:

So...like I guess the saying of

"You're not trying if your not cheating and you're not cheating if you don't get caught"

come into play?

OMFG TEH FLAMEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

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#42 Jan 05 2006 at 12:38 PM Rating: Decent
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BR is ruined. It is over, if any of you had any sense you'd just implode BR, go your seperate ways and try to rebuild your rep.

Arguing this is stupid, trying to defend CP or BR is stupid. You people in BR want this to end? Break the shell and move on, because this sh*t is going to follow you the rest of the time you play XI unless you take action.


LMAO, what's over?? Are you in BR? No you're not, so dont worry about it. Our linkshell remains strong, unaffected by your hope of our demise.

Edited, Thu Jan 5 12:44:07 2006 by Gippo
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#43 Jan 05 2006 at 12:40 PM Rating: Default
"Arguing this is stupid, trying to defend CP or BR is stupid. You people in BR want this to end? Break the shell and move on, because this sh*t is going to follow you the rest of the time you play XI unless you take action."

Thanks for proving my point, I think you need to re-read my post and try to use your brain and not your *** to decipher the true meaning of it. And by the way, what's wrong with my signature, it's been the same with the exception of updating my current job lvls and missions status since i joined the boards, E-peen envy maybe?
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#44 Jan 05 2006 at 12:53 PM Rating: Good
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Every time someone tries to defend CP or BR, I look at their sig, and see something like this.


Every time I see that, I skip the post because I know it has nothing good to add, and it's probably all lies trying to justify why they did what they did.

Every time I read the OP, I laugh at this line:

"CP's original post" wrote:
But honestly the "Hacks" that myself or even some of the members never could give us "Inviciblitly or the Abilty to kill things in one Shot" or have been the edge needed to win anything.


So yeah, tell me how using a program to run faster than the game allows you to isn't assisting in giving you an edge to win? If SE wanted you to run faster, they wouldn't have limited running faster to like the 5 items in the game that have faster run speed. (Strider Boots, Crimson Legs, Ninja AF, Herald's Gaiters, and nation aketons)

I'm sure if CP had really and truthfully learned his lesson from this entire ordeal, he wouldn't have had to go to IGE and buy a character.

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OMGOMGOMG! A HYPERLINK! clicky here =D


I totally agree.
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Isn't CP still breaking the rules by playing a different account?
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Isn't CP still breaking the rules by playing a different account?


He sure is, and GMs have been made aware.
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Thanks for proving my point, I think you need to re-read my post and try to use your brain and not your *** to decipher the true meaning of it.


What, that you don't give a **** that your ******* leader cheats, and that numerous other members of your linkshell cheats?

You dumbass, that speaks more to your character then anything else. I did decipher it thank you very much, and what it boils down to is you don't care, but the problem is you should.
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#48 Jan 05 2006 at 1:36 PM Rating: Good
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Crazypluto isn't just some representative of the BR Linkshell...

He

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FREAKING

[b]LEADER![/b]

When the leader of an LS as high-profile as BR is here on a public forum announcing his use of hacking programs after being accused several times for using them, with video and screenshot evidence floating around that show the hacks in action... then YES, people have every right to be suspicious of the entire LS!

He's in charge! He's supposed to set the ******* standard!

If an LS leader can't play the game legitimately, why should we just assume that his LS mates aren't doing the same? If the leader isn't trustworthy, can I risk trusting the LS? When the leader of ANYthing does something questionable, he puts his followers in jeopardy. It's part of the responsibility of being a leader. A leader is expected to guide and represent a group of people-- party, alliance or Linkshell.

Crazypluto's actions have affected all of BR, and rightfully so. It calls every one of BR's achievements into question. It all seems phony if their own leader can't keep himself from cheating. The gil, the HNMs, the weapons, the armor, the titles... how many people have benefitted from the hacks? And, worse yet, how many members of BR honestly didn't know that their fellow LS mates were cheating?

BlackRoses: Your leader, your Linkshell founder, cheated. He admitted it, so there cannot be any more doubt. Many people have suspected his cheating for a long time. It's in the open now. Defending him or patting him on the back is silly at this point... he's a terrible leader.

An apology isn't going to undo what you've done to your LS, Crazypluto. They can't "unspend" the dirty gil. They're not going to toss the ill-gotten equipment. They can't erase the titles. Thier shame is locked to their characters until the day they're deleted. It's a travesty.

I'm not saying that the entire BlackRoses LS is bad, but Crazypluto sure did a bang-up job of making it look that way.

And YES, this has everything to do with others on the server. We share the same **** server! These are people we play with, or compete against... they aren't nobodies that have no affect on us. We buy from them, we sell to them, and if they're called on foul play then it's everyone's business! We, the other players, were screwed over on account of a cheater.
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#49 Jan 05 2006 at 2:03 PM Rating: Default
"You dumbass, that speaks more to your character then anything else. I did decipher it thank you very much, and what it boils down to is you don't care, but the problem is you should."

You honestly must have the literary skills of a 2cnd grader, READ it again before you make accusations of what I do and don't care about. Your only digging your hole deeper and i'm being halfway nice about it by now letting you have a 3rd chance to read, think, and understand what I said in my original post. You may be reading the words but your not understanding what they mean, and as for having to resort to calling me a dumbass, doesn't do anything for that massive inferiority complex you got going, you should see a quack and get on some meds, seriously, you have a bad temper problem.
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#50 Jan 05 2006 at 2:55 PM Rating: Good
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You aren't any fun anymore. You said what you said and now you're trying to change it's meaning.

You downplayed it, and tried to seperate yourself and all of BR from CP.

Sorry brother, it isn't happening. You posted a giant pile of ****, I called you on it, and now you're trying to make it seem like it meant something else.

Perhaps you should read your own post again, and understand the stupid message it is implying.

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I don't have much to say, I'm usually pretty quiet about these sorts of things, so i'll keep this short and simple, take it as you will. To label an entire LS off the actions of 2-3 people is totaly ignorant no matter what course of action those 2-3 people took. "example" Today a man was brutally slain by 2 black men with close ties to a gang refered to as "The Bloods". By reading that does this mean that all black men are mac10 toating gang banging murderers? Sorry but no, and to label honest members of my linkshell including myself with a title such as Hackroses makes you no better than the local racist screaming out @#%^ everytime he sees a black man. You should be ashamed of yourself and really need to get in touch with your morale sense of values. I'm not saying what they did was right, but they are grown men and thier decisions thier own, they knew the consequences and they paid the price, many of us choose a different path but we chose to stick together because of who we are, no matter what you say or what you do that will never change unless we make it so. Other than that theres not much really to say, I'm a proud member of BR, probably always will be for as long as I play this game, I don't cheat or hack, and for you to be prejudice towards me simply because of my relation to people on this server just proves what an ignorant biggot you are so keep your hate /tells to yourself, my blacklist is getting full. Anywho time to wrap it up, and in the words of "The Man" himself, may the first among you without sin cast the first stone.


By the way....

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QFT
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#51 Jan 05 2006 at 3:35 PM Rating: Default
I did say take it as you will and you did, but all you've done is prove my point. People like you are the reason "white only" water fountains were in style 60 years ago, give that some thought, honestly. I didn't segregate myself from my group or cp, I said he's his own man who makes his own decisions, which is true of any adult. I did not defend or condone his actions in my post, your simply inserting things that you see out of anger in there, 2 people can read the same thing and see 2 dif sides of the story. I didn't post ******** I posted the truth. Ignorance is contageous and you my friend have a severe case of it, you said we should just give up and go our own ways etc, it's not gonna happen, like I said the actions of a few can look bad on a group as a whole but that doesn't condone your actions of saying what you've said or placing labels as you've done, it's the same thing as being a racist by doing so, and by telling us to give up and leave would be the same as someone telling all the black people to go back to africa cause O.J. Simpson killed some broad, your ignorant but I forgive you. I just hope one day your more open minded and think about what you say before you say it.

"You aren't any fun anymore. You said what you said and now you're trying to change it's meaning.

You downplayed it, and tried to seperate yourself and all of BR from CP.

Sorry brother, it isn't happening. You posted a giant pile of sh*t, I called you on it, and now you're trying to make it seem like it meant something else.

Perhaps you should read your own post again, and understand the stupid message it is implying."

Now who's the one posting ********* I didn't change anything, it's all there blue and white.
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