Celtic Dual  

Classes: Blademaster, Nightshade, Ranger
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# Dec 20 2001 at 10:10 PM Rating: Default
Here it is...

There are all kinds of different ways you can play your ranger. You can be a sniper with high stealth and bow and nothing into melee and low path.. Or you can be a melee ranger, everything into piercing or blades, Celtic duel, and path split as even as you like. Or you can be something that I find pretty cool.

You can max spec bow, medium stealth, medium celtic duel, medium path and low pierce or blades I choose pierce because I am a lurk.

You still have a the dmg of a sniper but with not as much hiding. But see rangers suck at hitting mobs with daggers and they suck at hitting red and purple cons for the most part. I have found that raising celtic duel really does count. It makes you hit twice in one ratio. The more you put into cd the more you hit with both the offhander and main at the same time. All putting points into pierce or blades does is raise minimum damage so don't worry about it so much because we get great dmg spells that give us more damage everytime we hit a mob.

So if you have a good CD and a nice damage spell then even if you do hit minimum damage almost everytime with you daggers or swords the dmg spell will hit the mob also. So if you can duel wield good you can hit the mob for more than twice the damage of a person with a CD.
Character Classes
# Dec 20 2001 at 1:05 PM Rating: Default
Allright, Im just about to install this game onto my computer and i need some advice, in your opinions what is the Best Class of the ones if name off... Champion,Blademaster(Celtic Duel),Hero, or Archer. I want to have a great character when i begin playing the game so if you could respond i would be very happy, thanks!
RE: Character Classes
# Dec 23 2001 at 4:20 PM Rating: Default
Right now blademasters suck(I have L27 one). We don't do more dmg than a hero, and we have weaker armor. Mystic may fix us some time down the road, but as of now...

Champion is good at dealing damage, and debuffing pulls. Can't tank as good as hero.

Hero - Tank.

Archer - A really anoying guy hiding in the trees and sniping everyone on RvR. (Bow with critical hit does lots of dmg)
# Dec 11 2001 at 3:19 PM Rating: Default
I was wondering if someone can help me or advise me. I have a lvl 9 Blademaster. I am about to reach lvl 10 right away.
I have allocated the following:
9 - Blades
7 - Parry
Savced the remaining points.
I want to celtic dual but should i continue with Parry?

Also, what armor can a Blademaster use? I try Reinforced but it seems to slow my swing. I am wrong in this assumption?
RE: Advice
# Dec 17 2001 at 8:49 PM Rating: Default
You should try to max out blades and celtic dual almost every level. At level 50, you should have 44 Blades, 44 Parry, and 44 CD.

Reinforced is the best armor blademasters get, but they make up for it with lots of damage.
Ranger Melee
# Nov 29 2001 at 1:44 AM Rating: Default
Actually, I saw a thread on camelot.rpglore.com about doing a melee-based ranger, and it made some sense. The idea was to have a class that could easily kill casters and archers by getting fairly close with stealth, then using the forest shadow line of spells to reach them before an arrow could be nocked or a spell cast. The idea has some merit, although it would be very hard to get this class variant up to RvR levels. It would probably only be doable with constant power leveling and twinking. Still, I'd be interested to see someone make this work.
Char Generator
# Nov 29 2001 at 1:36 AM Rating: Good

This has a very good character generator, for everyone who wanted a link.
duel for rangers
# Nov 16 2001 at 1:58 AM Rating: Default
kinda agree with rangers not needing duel, its nice for group do be able to dish out a lil bit of xtra dmg but why not blast with bow from afar?
and as for peirce vs duel... if i have peirce is it smart to do duel as well?

just wanna see sum responses thats all

btw, shields save ur **** alot =)

bluntman 15 ranga
# Nov 08 2001 at 3:15 PM Rating: Default
Celtic Dual raises the chance of the weapon in your off hand will be swung. I forget the actual percent... The offhand weapon's minimum damage is calculated by the level of that weapon's skill. So if you have a bladed weapon.. it'll run off your blades. Be reminded that this does not affect the MAX damage ONLY the MIN damage. Max damage is raised w/ a combo of weapon skill + large weapon skill.. and only one class gets that.

Finally if you get 2x per level you should have enough points to raise 2 skills up to 50. Then have no points for anything else. This game uses the idea that variation is good and makes you choose which path you'd like to take. Each path has its own advantages and disadvantages.. and if everyone picks the same path..... well the same strategy that kills joe shmoe Blademaster with your same skills, will kill you also. Choose wisely and make up your mind. Oh and they added points in the middle of levels 45-50.. or was it 40-50.... and i forget HOW many points those were.. but look for character generator sites out there, there are a lot of them. Good luck.
RE: Wrong...
# Nov 08 2001 at 7:24 PM Rating: Default
Thanks, you sound like you know what you are talking about and I appreciate the info. I'm new to this game and I want to make sure I develop my character the way I want to play. One other thing, you mentioned a "charater generator", I've never heard of that, what is it?

RE: Wrong...
# Nov 25 2001 at 5:27 AM Rating: Good
111 posts
It's at some site. Named like Dark Ages Catacombs or something. DAoC Catacombs if i'm correct. VERY nice program. VERY up to date. Much more so then here or most other sites.

It's under the links section from this board.
ACK!! I Just don't get it!
# Nov 08 2001 at 12:14 PM Rating: Default
Ok, let me get this straight. By the way, I am a Blademaster.

1) Celtic Dual is used to determine how much damage is done with your left hand.
2) I should train in Blades, CD and lastly Parry (In my case).

With that said, Blademasters get 2 times their level in training points when they level. If my math is right, that means they get 200 training points until they hit the max level of 50. Okay, here's the big question, How the hell am I supposed to get CD, Parry or Blades up to level 50? I will not have enough training points to train in all of them up to level 50. I would have to train in one skill until level 50 is reached. Now I may be wrong with how many training points you get, so someone tell me so I can sleep at night.

RE: ACK!! I Just don't get it!
# Nov 11 2001 at 6:03 AM Rating: Default
Since at level 6 and after you get twice your level in training points, you have enough to train in both your weapon skill of choice AND Celtic Dual once per level each. I hear that when you reach the home stretch (40-50 or thereabouts) the amount of points you get increases even further, making up for the 14 points you never got (since you dont start getting double points til you hit 6), meaning you can get two skills both to level 50, and have points left over for, say, parry.

The Celtic Dual skill determines how often you hit with the weapon in your left hand, not how much damage it does. Your weapon skill determines how much damage it does. If your secondary weapon is a blade, it uses the Blades skill.

Also, once you get CD, each time you swing your right hand, your left hand makes a check with CD to determine if you swing your left. So the more often you swing your right, the more you swing your left, meaning that a fast, not powerful, weapon is best in your right hand.

Parry is purely optional, but if you want to train in it, don't just put a little. You need a substantial amount of training to get tangable benefits, which are excellent. It isn't nessecery to train either Blades or CD to level 50 in order to do well with them, but you won't get max swings or damage if you don't.

specialize points:
.....much later....
.....even later....
5503+50+50=5603 at level 50 (not including the extra points thrown in)
Combat effect
# Nov 07 2001 at 11:34 AM Rating: Default
From what I know Celtic Dual affects if and for how much damage you will hit with your LEFT HAND weapon. This info is supposedly from beta testers who discussed this with the devs. So, to the contrary of what is said in some of the below messages, it looks like it does make sense to train this skill.

Why bother?
# Nov 01 2001 at 1:51 PM Rating: Default
As a Ranger, I see no need to up this skill. We have so many other priorities that this skill does not seem very important.

First off, we have bows. This should be the main focus of my time considering Rangers are generally defined by archery. I plan on bringing this skill up to 45 or 50.

Next, we get stealth. As rouges, this skill should be high up on this list of what to train. It enables us to sneak around as spies and get in good position for long distance arrow shots.

Pathfinding is another major plus. The buffs included with this class are excellent. If I remember correctly, at higher lvls we will get a +75 buff to both dex and qui. These are our primary and secondary stats. We also recieve a str buff which will boosts our tertiary (third) stat.

This leaves us with the two weapon skills left. Piercing and Blades. Obviously, you will want to pick either Piercing or Blades, but not both. Personally I'd go with Piercing becuase it is greatly enhanced by our uber dex and qui.

Lastly is Dual. Dual will only slightly increase our damage output. Sure it is a nice skill to have, but does it really seem that important compared to our other options? I think not.

I'm very interested in seeing the opinions of other rangers on this subject. Please give your imput.

Suliana Fedaykin
RE: Why bother?
# Nov 06 2001 at 4:12 PM Rating: Decent
Rangers=dead in close combat against any other melee class. They use bows, thats why they are rangers. They only gave this to rangers and nightshades so they could attack with 2 weapons. This skill is really just for blademasters, who should spec in this and in parry. Using spec points in this doesn't make your dual wield any better, it just gives you attacks with 2 weapons at once.
RE: Why bother?
# Nov 01 2001 at 4:20 PM Rating: Default
Because maybe you don't want to be like every other ranger out there and concentrate on close melee instead of range.
RE: Why bother?
# Nov 05 2001 at 9:28 PM Rating: Default
LOL, if you wanna fight melee try maybe Nightshade? Rangers use bows, if you get in melee then I sugest putting atleast 5 into this!
#Anonymous, Posted: Oct 31 2001 at 2:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) fffff
duel wield
# Oct 29 2001 at 8:02 PM Rating: Default
yes rangers can wield 2 weapons at lvl 5. Celtic duel is a skill, does not mean you can't duel wield at lvl 5 though.
Blades skill
# Oct 24 2001 at 6:49 PM Rating: Default
As for wether or not you need to train this skill in conjunction with your primary melee skill... the answer is only as long as you intend to HIT with your weapons.

This skill doesn't affect your chances of hitting a target, nor does it actually increase damage (Aside from the bonuses given to the off-hand, and for the combat styles).

So yes, you would need to maintain this as a primary skill if you are a melee-based character.

-Brennigan, Celtic Ranger of Guenivere-
RE: Blades skill
# Dec 12 2001 at 1:47 PM Rating: Default

Chance to hit is level based, not skill based. You can actually only spec in CD and totally neglect any weapon spec. This is called the Ginsu Ranger template, and allows you to use either blades or pierce. In conjunction with Pathfindings Self Damage Add, and the excellent Evade styles CD provides, you can do very well with just CD and no weapons spec. (At 25 we get Evade III, BMs only ever get Evade I so they get almost no benefit from the Blinding Rain => Blizzard style chain.)

Look at weapons styles for Pierce vs. CD, and the fact that Mythic just nerfed the only decent style chain for Pierce, and you'll find that CD is in fact a really great option for Rangers. (Especially since Mythic just upped the CD damage output in the last patch.)

# Oct 24 2001 at 6:46 PM Rating: Default
Actually any character that gets this skill can dual wield at level 5. You don't have to have the "Celtic Dual" skill in order to actually dual wield. You just have to have two weapons.

The only thing Celtic Dual affects is how hard and how often you hit with your off handed weapon, and provides those nifty little combat syles you see above.

My ranger was using a Ferrite Falcata and an Iron ******* Sword at level 5.

*Note* only Short Swords and Falcatas can be equipped in the off-hand.

Rangers happen to get this skill at lvl 10.

celtic duel
# Oct 24 2001 at 5:20 PM Rating: Default
if im training really hi in cletic duel, do i need to train blade hight too or keep it low?
also what is better for rangers blades or peircing?
RE: celtic duel
# Nov 21 2001 at 5:04 AM Rating: Default
Rangers should always use Piercers, to take advantage of your DEX.
Do you need Blade skills?
# Oct 18 2001 at 4:11 PM Rating: Default

My other nightshade got celtic dual upon reaching lvl 5 and he had most of his skill points in blade skills vs. piercing, however my latest nightsahde who has all of his points in piercing and none in blades did not get cletic dual at lvl 5...
So my question is whether or not you can get celtic dual without trainign your blade skill?
RE: Do you need Blade skills?
# Dec 17 2001 at 4:55 AM Rating: Default
You do not need blade skills to get cd at lvl 5
Which level?
# Oct 12 2001 at 1:14 PM Rating: Decent
So when do Blademasters get this skill? 10th level?
I can equip two blades now at 5th level but I don't get the styles and celtic dual also doesn't show up in my skill llist.
DW at 10th level?
# Oct 12 2001 at 6:57 AM Rating: Decent
I've yet to get my copy of DAoC (Hence my time spent here), but I've seen on several sites that Rangers get DW at 10th level. Can any 10th level Rnagers confirm or deny this?
RE: DW at 10th level?
# Oct 14 2001 at 10:31 AM Rating: Default
Confirmed - I received this at 10th level. Save some training points for it.

Wyrdraen MacConnall
Brethren of the Mystic Dawn
# Oct 10 2001 at 6:52 PM Rating: Decent
Don't rangers get this also?
RE: Rangers?
# Oct 11 2001 at 11:30 PM Rating: Good
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No they don't.
RE: Rangers?
# Oct 14 2001 at 8:38 AM Rating: Default
Hrrmm... well if rangers dont get CD then uhhh my ranger is bugged... heh so an answer to if rangers get CD is yah they get it at 10...

Ramza Beoulve
11th Ranger
RE: Rangers?
# Oct 18 2001 at 2:27 AM Rating: Good
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My bad. Seems rangers do get CD at level 10. I was shocked to see it myself. I assumed they would get it at level 5 like the nightshade.
from beta experience
# Oct 10 2001 at 1:41 PM Rating: Default
With Celtic Dual i sujject using 2 blue Falcata, the slower the weapon the worse this skill is.
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