Envenom
| Type: | Defense |
| Realm: | All |
| Classes: | Infiltrator, Nightshade, Shadowblade |
7 posts
Should i pick this to put my points in or should i put this into something elce - and what should my numbers look like when i hit level 50?
Anonymous
sword 40 +4
crit 44 +4
poison 37 +13
stealth 36 +14
This is what my SB looks like - and poison is really great - with poison you can single an orange Tank, if he's alone !!!
First attack PA (2 weapons - snare + debuff poison) --> run and go back into stealth --> Second Attack 2H Dwarfen Greatsword with DoT Poison Lifebane :)) [after that attack the tank should have a hitpoints lost of at least 60%) --> go back to stealth, take another potion of DoT and finish him with a PA.
This tactic works really fine :) when attacking casters, as usual PA+DoT poison and then run as hell --> if you survive, you see the casters hitpoints getting lower and finally you get RPs ;)
Greets
Sethor (EU Server Lyonesse - Midgard - Shadowblade)
crit 44 +4
poison 37 +13
stealth 36 +14
This is what my SB looks like - and poison is really great - with poison you can single an orange Tank, if he's alone !!!
First attack PA (2 weapons - snare + debuff poison) --> run and go back into stealth --> Second Attack 2H Dwarfen Greatsword with DoT Poison Lifebane :)) [after that attack the tank should have a hitpoints lost of at least 60%) --> go back to stealth, take another potion of DoT and finish him with a PA.
This tactic works really fine :) when attacking casters, as usual PA+DoT poison and then run as hell --> if you survive, you see the casters hitpoints getting lower and finally you get RPs ;)
Greets
Sethor (EU Server Lyonesse - Midgard - Shadowblade)
Anonymous
would a SB without envenom be ok? or do i have to have envenom to be any good?
Anonymous
How do some peeps get off like 5 or 6 effects with a first attack?
Anonymous
can only get off 2 poisons maybe you are seeing a proc or the person is swaaping weapons with other poion on it
Anonymous
you can use 3 poisons: right hand, left and 2 hand slots
#Anonymous,
Posted: Jul 09 2002 at 8:43 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) what is this crappy amazon add in the back I cant read the post. Take down the damn adds!
Anonymous
has anyone tryed the realm skill wild arcana ? Can Anyone confirm if it effects envenom dots and so on.. If so how did it work damage wise?
Anonymous
Wild arcana is Nice. Just need to train it up more so it has a higher chance of kicking in.
What i dont understand is what stat Acuity rasises
for nightshades. On the herald Realm Skill page it says it is int., But i gained no int after training it twice.Also Does int effect our Dots the way it does for casters?
What i dont understand is what stat Acuity rasises
for nightshades. On the herald Realm Skill page it says it is int., But i gained no int after training it twice.Also Does int effect our Dots the way it does for casters?
Anonymous
Let's say I have trained my envenom skill up to level 5 and can use lesser lethal poison. Then I get an item that is +3 envenom. Question: Can I now use the level 8 lesser imbalance poison? If not, what's the point in getting +envenom items?
1 post
Yes, this is what is so very nice about poison.
If you poison skill is lvl 27 plus 6 with bonuses you can use a level 33 poison!
If you poison skill is lvl 27 plus 6 with bonuses you can use a level 33 poison!
Anonymous
how much damage does each of the dots do?
Anonymous
wont have to be a staff
i am lvl 33 infiltrator and i use 3 thrusting weapons
(l.h., r.h. and a 1h weapon in the 2h slot)
using DOT + weaken + disease in PVE is great
(especially as soon as you get the str/kon debuff with lvl 22 envenom)
i am lvl 33 infiltrator and i use 3 thrusting weapons
(l.h., r.h. and a 1h weapon in the 2h slot)
using DOT + weaken + disease in PVE is great
(especially as soon as you get the str/kon debuff with lvl 22 envenom)
Anonymous
Just wanted to let you know, you can poison weapons and put them in your inventory. I keep 2 extra weapons in my top 2 inventory slots and fight with the inv menu open. If you get an add, you just drop a fresh weapon in your right hand and whack. On high level mobs I can have 5 poisons resisted. }:0) I'm 26 Inf with 22 Envenom.
Anonymous
Hey guys I have a question please answer specifically I am maxing Envenom I wanna know how to use envenom how do u put it on ur sword like click on it put it on ur weapon equipped. Do u have to keep doing that after every poison attack or does it just keep going? how do u attack without using another poison if it keeps going?
Anonymous
Maxing ur envenom is silly. since u will get at least +10 bonus in envenom. So i'd say 40 max. maybe less. That'll release a lot of points to other skills too :)
How to use envenom, how do you put it on your sword?
To apply a poison, your weapon MUST be equipped, either in left, right or 2-hand slot. If you remove the weapon from it's slot the poison stays applied until you use that weapon or you give the weapon away. So you pick up your poison and then click on your weapon in it's weapon slot.
Do you have to keep doing that after every poison attack, or does it just keep going?
You have to re-apply the poison after every attack, ie., after every Mob. So if a Mob 'brings a friend' then only the mob that you first attack (if the poison is delivered on those hits) will be poisoned, and you will have to face the second without the aid of poison.
What you can do of course is apply the poison to the third weapon in the 2-hand slot (remember you can HOLD most melee weapons in the 2-hand slot you just can't use it from there), put that icon on your quickbar and when you go to attack the second Mob hit that button on your quickbar followed by an opening attack style and you'll have a poisoned weapon ready to go.
Maxing your Envenom is an answer for another session me thinks ;) but it's down to how you're gonna play, but personally I feel that you would be taking points away from more deserving skills :)
Anegale BloodRayne
Deadly Nightshade.
Edited, Sun Apr 21 07:08:37 2002
To apply a poison, your weapon MUST be equipped, either in left, right or 2-hand slot. If you remove the weapon from it's slot the poison stays applied until you use that weapon or you give the weapon away. So you pick up your poison and then click on your weapon in it's weapon slot.
Do you have to keep doing that after every poison attack, or does it just keep going?
You have to re-apply the poison after every attack, ie., after every Mob. So if a Mob 'brings a friend' then only the mob that you first attack (if the poison is delivered on those hits) will be poisoned, and you will have to face the second without the aid of poison.
What you can do of course is apply the poison to the third weapon in the 2-hand slot (remember you can HOLD most melee weapons in the 2-hand slot you just can't use it from there), put that icon on your quickbar and when you go to attack the second Mob hit that button on your quickbar followed by an opening attack style and you'll have a poisoned weapon ready to go.
Maxing your Envenom is an answer for another session me thinks ;) but it's down to how you're gonna play, but personally I feel that you would be taking points away from more deserving skills :)
Anegale BloodRayne
Deadly Nightshade.
Edited, Sun Apr 21 07:08:37 2002
Anonymous
do we need to have the weapon equiped or can we poision one in the inv and change it fatrt the first one hits to get more poision types on the mob?
IE. put a dot in dirk in hand and weakness on one in invtory
hit it then change to other one for second effect
or can we put it on each of 2 weapons and use duel attack?
also if we try to use a red / orng poision will it just fail to apply or will it apply and fail to work in the fight? if out skill is to low?
does it matter at all if out skill is item based or our base skill? like styles where we do not get the style from using items to raise a skill?
IE. put a dot in dirk in hand and weakness on one in invtory
hit it then change to other one for second effect
or can we put it on each of 2 weapons and use duel attack?
also if we try to use a red / orng poision will it just fail to apply or will it apply and fail to work in the fight? if out skill is to low?
does it matter at all if out skill is item based or our base skill? like styles where we do not get the style from using items to raise a skill?
Anonymous
Why did you put 50 in envenom? You do know theres items that increases envenom and you dont need to train in them past 39 i would say Critical Strike is the most important skill to train #1 it raises your chances of getting a critical strike and ups perf and other critical strike styles - and your math is very bad btw .5 x 50 is 25 not 50 so if you have 50 specced in dual wield you would not have 50% you would have 25%
Dual wield does alot more then .5% i know that because i see alot of mercs who fully spec in it and any of the 35+ mercs i see who use it dual wield all the time 80%
Nothing a stealther has is that important to max now that the spec points went from 2 - 2.5 its a big jump and you should get everything up to 39 and negotiate with items . I would say look at gamebanshee.com or here and look at all the stealth jewels , bracers , necklaces , rings , armor ect and work everything out its the best way to make a perfect rogue
Dual wield does alot more then .5% i know that because i see alot of mercs who fully spec in it and any of the 35+ mercs i see who use it dual wield all the time 80%
Nothing a stealther has is that important to max now that the spec points went from 2 - 2.5 its a big jump and you should get everything up to 39 and negotiate with items . I would say look at gamebanshee.com or here and look at all the stealth jewels , bracers , necklaces , rings , armor ect and work everything out its the best way to make a perfect rogue
49 posts
Base Celtic Dual/Left Axe/Dual Wield percentage is 25%. 25+25=50.
Edited, Wed Apr 10 22:06:36 2002
Edited, Wed Apr 10 22:06:36 2002
Anonymous
How do u go about switching your weapons during combat for envenom
Anonymous
I'm a lvl 9 Hibernian Nightshade playing in the UK and I do not have the envenom skill, any ideas why not ?
Cheers
Cheers
Anonymous
Envenom is the last skill in your skill set and is on the next page, scroll down :)
Anonymous
stealth - 40
evenom - 50
critical strike - 39
That's a pretty good template for RvR, but you'll have a really hard time grouping and it's those templates that make it hard for NS to get a group.
Evenom + Crit in groups will get you very high on the aggro list, which makes you pretty much useless in groups unless you tone down damage.
Conclusion : Great for RvR, really bad for PvE
Another thing, specializing in Celtic dual is not all that great at all. Each points in Celtic dual gives you .5% more chance of attacking with your second weapon. So, 50 in celtic would only take you to 50% chance of hitting with your second weapon, so 50% more to damage.
Piercing on the other hand kept maxxed will give you a 80% damage bonus or more, if it hasn't changed from beta. Aside from the fact that you get a 80% bonus from piercing, you get a 25% bonus from your second weapon even with 1 point in Celtic Dual.
Also ever noticed that there's no untaunt style in CD ? So i'm guessing you'll waste a few points in Piercing to be able to untaunt ?
I'm not judging other ways of building NS, but don't be too hastily in drawing conclusions.
I can overdamage any tank my own lvl and often those 4-5 lvls above with a bard playing end song in group or not, and get the aggro around 2 thirds of the figth without using any poison, so it's not the backstab that's drawing aggro but raw damage.
I get tells every 2-3 days from other lvl 50s asking to trade their characters for my lvl 29 NS 1 for 1 and my NS is wearing mostly yellow and orange stuff.
The envenom template is really good for RvR, but i hope you like soloing or have good friends that'll agree to carry you around in groups, cause that's not a template that's really usefull in groups.
I sure can't solo most well equipped yellow armsmans, but i'm usefull to both PvP and especially in PvE.
Max Stealth rest in critical and piercing.
And don't underestimate the importance of stealth, if you appear before a purple mob, it means you can't backstab thus doing way less damage during that encounter.
Even more important in RvR.
Zea
evenom - 50
critical strike - 39
That's a pretty good template for RvR, but you'll have a really hard time grouping and it's those templates that make it hard for NS to get a group.
Evenom + Crit in groups will get you very high on the aggro list, which makes you pretty much useless in groups unless you tone down damage.
Conclusion : Great for RvR, really bad for PvE
Another thing, specializing in Celtic dual is not all that great at all. Each points in Celtic dual gives you .5% more chance of attacking with your second weapon. So, 50 in celtic would only take you to 50% chance of hitting with your second weapon, so 50% more to damage.
Piercing on the other hand kept maxxed will give you a 80% damage bonus or more, if it hasn't changed from beta. Aside from the fact that you get a 80% bonus from piercing, you get a 25% bonus from your second weapon even with 1 point in Celtic Dual.
Also ever noticed that there's no untaunt style in CD ? So i'm guessing you'll waste a few points in Piercing to be able to untaunt ?
I'm not judging other ways of building NS, but don't be too hastily in drawing conclusions.
I can overdamage any tank my own lvl and often those 4-5 lvls above with a bard playing end song in group or not, and get the aggro around 2 thirds of the figth without using any poison, so it's not the backstab that's drawing aggro but raw damage.
I get tells every 2-3 days from other lvl 50s asking to trade their characters for my lvl 29 NS 1 for 1 and my NS is wearing mostly yellow and orange stuff.
The envenom template is really good for RvR, but i hope you like soloing or have good friends that'll agree to carry you around in groups, cause that's not a template that's really usefull in groups.
I sure can't solo most well equipped yellow armsmans, but i'm usefull to both PvP and especially in PvE.
Max Stealth rest in critical and piercing.
And don't underestimate the importance of stealth, if you appear before a purple mob, it means you can't backstab thus doing way less damage during that encounter.
Even more important in RvR.
Zea
Anonymous
Well if your a shade in a group and you are trying to tone down your damage i must say
You may aswell give your spot to some other class
What are you doing then? Pecking away at the mobs
like an enchanters pet?. A shades place doesnt come with out risk . High dmg output is our place
in groups along with scouting. Atleast that is how i see it. And how a shade chooses to accomplish this is there decision. If you have a good group and you know how to play your shade you can CS , Poison all you want and not get even scratched. If your soloing something orange you can PA it snare it and poison it run re stealth and PA it again. If its rvr youlve got skills to adapt to your surrounding.When it come down to it tho either you got friends you can group with, Or some people may actualy see the benefit of haveing a shade in there group, or you gonna be soloing, And that is just a shades life.
You may aswell give your spot to some other class
What are you doing then? Pecking away at the mobs
like an enchanters pet?. A shades place doesnt come with out risk . High dmg output is our place
in groups along with scouting. Atleast that is how i see it. And how a shade chooses to accomplish this is there decision. If you have a good group and you know how to play your shade you can CS , Poison all you want and not get even scratched. If your soloing something orange you can PA it snare it and poison it run re stealth and PA it again. If its rvr youlve got skills to adapt to your surrounding.When it come down to it tho either you got friends you can group with, Or some people may actualy see the benefit of haveing a shade in there group, or you gonna be soloing, And that is just a shades life.
Anonymous
shaddap.. u dont try perfing a frigging grape mob.. remember that there is a healer that might like to save some power by healing the fellas in chain. (shift+i) on ur attack icon to make sure that ur not useing a taunt style, then give em hell.. if u get agro then u have ****** tanks who need to use a taunt style.
Anonymous
I had an infil...high envenom skill is also effective with PvE, but you have to use a lot of money on poison...in groups you might as well forget about critical strike...
My infil had mostly dual wield. That was cool cus i could easily outdamage higherlevel tanks...
My envenom skill was only a minor factor cus i mostly used grey poison...but it was effective!
The infiltrator is, I think, the coolest class in Albion, but also the hardest...im not sure why, but I think we may have less hp than tanks and we dont have any real armor :/.
My infil had mostly dual wield. That was cool cus i could easily outdamage higherlevel tanks...
My envenom skill was only a minor factor cus i mostly used grey poison...but it was effective!
The infiltrator is, I think, the coolest class in Albion, but also the hardest...im not sure why, but I think we may have less hp than tanks and we dont have any real armor :/.
Anonymous
Anonymous
I) You have to have the envenom skill.
II) Buy poison from a vendor.
III) drag and drop poison on equiped weapon.
IV) Go hit something.
:p
II) Buy poison from a vendor.
III) drag and drop poison on equiped weapon.
IV) Go hit something.
:p
Anonymous
damn youre good
Anonymous
Has anyone yet to have this level of poison? If so could you tell about how much damage it does? Considering to take my poison that high but dont want to if it isnt worth dropping all those pts into.
Anonymous
If you go to the poison vendor and right clk on the different poisons, then hit shift-I, all the information on the poisons are there.
I can't say if it's worth it or not because I'm not there, but I believe that lifebane does about 50 damage per clk over 20 seconds which to me seem a little low for being lvl 50 envenom. Especially when I consider that I have been hit by a (midguard) casters poison in RvR that did over 100 per clk to my mage at lvl 37.
However; if there is some model for doing higher damage for maximum skill similar to mages who can do 3X damage and critical hit, then 50 damage per click can turn into 150 damage per click. But from using poison on greys I haven't seen this effect.
Hope this helps;
Armond Sweaney
nightshade
I can't say if it's worth it or not because I'm not there, but I believe that lifebane does about 50 damage per clk over 20 seconds which to me seem a little low for being lvl 50 envenom. Especially when I consider that I have been hit by a (midguard) casters poison in RvR that did over 100 per clk to my mage at lvl 37.
However; if there is some model for doing higher damage for maximum skill similar to mages who can do 3X damage and critical hit, then 50 damage per click can turn into 150 damage per click. But from using poison on greys I haven't seen this effect.
Hope this helps;
Armond Sweaney
nightshade
Anonymous
hah.....your information is way wrong....i have lesser lethal poison right now (lvl 30 evenom) and im doing 50-55 damage a tick....i talked to a lvl 50 infiltrator with lvl 50 evenom and he said maxing evenom is totally worth it...he said can do one perfect artery with poison on his daggers....and then walk away and he can kill a yellow armsman....he said if he could start all over he would pick a nightshade....and his specs would be..
stealth - 40
evenom - 50
critical strike - 39
and what ever points left over in CD....he said he has found out that pierce/blade/thrust etc. doesnt affect the damage u do with your critical strikes....and when u get through with your cs styles you are almost out of endurance anyway...so pierce is almost pointless to put points into...unless u arent going to put any points into cs (which would be retarted)...and evenom is also great for soloing....so which ever way u look at it...RvRing....soloing....you are gonna have a great nightshade...reason he said only bring stealth to 40 is because u can get items to help bring up your stealth....
peace out
stealth - 40
evenom - 50
critical strike - 39
and what ever points left over in CD....he said he has found out that pierce/blade/thrust etc. doesnt affect the damage u do with your critical strikes....and when u get through with your cs styles you are almost out of endurance anyway...so pierce is almost pointless to put points into...unless u arent going to put any points into cs (which would be retarted)...and evenom is also great for soloing....so which ever way u look at it...RvRing....soloing....you are gonna have a great nightshade...reason he said only bring stealth to 40 is because u can get items to help bring up your stealth....
peace out
Anonymous
I imagine the DoT's and Debuffs dont stack with themselves so would that make it pointless to have both blades poisoned as you would just be reapplying the same poison
But if you use a diff poison on each will they stack?
It would seem though that If you had a poison on one blade and a debuff on the other that they would stack.
And how long does the poison last on the blades?
Also Anyone know the numbers on how much damage / debuf these do.
Or anyone know where theres some online info a poisoning site?
But if you use a diff poison on each will they stack?
It would seem though that If you had a poison on one blade and a debuff on the other that they would stack.
And how long does the poison last on the blades?
Also Anyone know the numbers on how much damage / debuf these do.
Or anyone know where theres some online info a poisoning site?
Anonymous
The same type of poisons don't stack, but you can do different types of poisons/debuffs and they will stack (like str debuff & DoT)
Also, your poisons do stack with druid poisons.
I'm not sure how long the debuffs last, my guess is about 2min, but the poisons last 5 clicks. The damage per click depends on what type of poison it is. A lvl 1 poison does about 3-6 damage per click. A lvl 5 poison does about 7-13 damage per click.
Don't forget that staffs can be poisoned also. You can use the staff for your snare poison to break out when the battle looks bad so you can get away. What I do is poison my blade and a staff, then after the 5 clicks I switch to the other weapon for extra poison. It's a good way to maximize your poison damage.
Armond Sweaney
nightshade
Also, your poisons do stack with druid poisons.
I'm not sure how long the debuffs last, my guess is about 2min, but the poisons last 5 clicks. The damage per click depends on what type of poison it is. A lvl 1 poison does about 3-6 damage per click. A lvl 5 poison does about 7-13 damage per click.
Don't forget that staffs can be poisoned also. You can use the staff for your snare poison to break out when the battle looks bad so you can get away. What I do is poison my blade and a staff, then after the 5 clicks I switch to the other weapon for extra poison. It's a good way to maximize your poison damage.
Armond Sweaney
nightshade
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my lvl 1 poison does 11-13 dmg a tick.. sumtimes 9-12 but mostly 11-13
Anonymous
This skill alowes you to use poisons on your weapon. As your skill goes, you can use better poisons. Here is the list.
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Damage Over Time (lasts 5 "ticks")
1 Minor Lethal Poison
5 Lesser Lethal Poison
10 Lethal Poison
15 Major Lethal Poison
20 Greater Lethal Poison
25 Minor Lethal Venom
30 Lesser Lethal Venom
35 Major Lethal Venom
40 Greater Lethal Venom
45 Insidious Lethal Venom
50 Lifebane
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Strength debuff
2 Minor Weakening Poison
6 Lesser Weakening Poison
11 Major Weakening Poison
17 Greater Weakening Poison
22 Minor Enervating Poison
29 Lesser Enervating Poison
37 Major Enervating Poison
47 Greater Enervating Poison
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Snare (reduces target's movement rate until the target is struck again)
3 Minor Imbalance Poison
8 Lesser Imbalance Poison
13 Major Imbalance Poison
18 Greater Imbalance Poison
23 Minor Crippling Poison
27 Lesser Crippling Poison
31 Major Crippling Poison
42 Greater Crippling Poison
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Disease (prevents natural healing and halves healing spells)
4 Minor Infectious Serum
16 Lesser Infectious Serum
26 Infectious Serum
38 Major Infectious Serum
48 Greater Infectious Serum
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Damage Over Time (lasts 5 "ticks")
1 Minor Lethal Poison
5 Lesser Lethal Poison
10 Lethal Poison
15 Major Lethal Poison
20 Greater Lethal Poison
25 Minor Lethal Venom
30 Lesser Lethal Venom
35 Major Lethal Venom
40 Greater Lethal Venom
45 Insidious Lethal Venom
50 Lifebane
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Strength debuff
2 Minor Weakening Poison
6 Lesser Weakening Poison
11 Major Weakening Poison
17 Greater Weakening Poison
22 Minor Enervating Poison
29 Lesser Enervating Poison
37 Major Enervating Poison
47 Greater Enervating Poison
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Snare (reduces target's movement rate until the target is struck again)
3 Minor Imbalance Poison
8 Lesser Imbalance Poison
13 Major Imbalance Poison
18 Greater Imbalance Poison
23 Minor Crippling Poison
27 Lesser Crippling Poison
31 Major Crippling Poison
42 Greater Crippling Poison
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Disease (prevents natural healing and halves healing spells)
4 Minor Infectious Serum
16 Lesser Infectious Serum
26 Infectious Serum
38 Major Infectious Serum
48 Greater Infectious Serum
Anonymous
What does Envenom do?
Anonymous
you evenom your weapon, and the damages you cause will be multiplicated ;-)
Anonymous
What does Envenom do?
Anonymous
It meakes your weapon poisonous
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